newnative Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 5 hours ago, spidermike007 said: Using the National Guard to control looting at CVS would be a very bizarre and extreme act. I was in a CVS a couple of weeks ago buying laundry detergent and they have the big bottles of Tide locked up with a chain and lock. I think the security guards should be allowed to take whatever action they see fit. I've told this story before. I have a brother-in-law in the US who is actually a manager at a Virginia CVS store. He has been told by the local police to not call them unless someone steals more than $150 in merchandise. They cannot be bothered to respond. Get lost. Don't waste your dime--we won't answer. Don't even try; nobody's home. You're on your own with all those thefts and good luck. Hence, the merchandise under lock and key. The state of the US today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrobay Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 6 hours ago, spidermike007 said: Using the National Guard to control looting at CVS would be a very bizarre and extreme act. I was in a CVS a couple of weeks ago buying laundry detergent and they have the big bottles of Tide locked up with a chain and lock. I think the security guards should be allowed to take whatever action they see fit. Good Grief- do you really think shoplifting is what I'm referring to? Or what world do you live ? Unbelievable 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted February 3 Popular Post Share Posted February 3 8 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said: Why did it work 150 years ago and not today... the concept remains the same... The United States was founded as a democratic republic not as a democracy... the founding fathers were right then and they remain right now on the damage that the "mob" can do. Completely wrong. In the 2000 presidential election, former President George W. Bush won the electoral vote but lost the popular vote to former Vice President Al Gore. President Barack Obama won the popular vote and the electoral vote when he ran in 2008 and 2012. When President Donald Trump ran in 2016, he won the electoral vote, with the popular vote going to Hillary Clinton. In fact, CNN states that “more Americans voted for … Clinton [in 2016] than any other losing presidential candidate in US history.” This was a devastating loss for Democrats across America. The Electoral College is at best outdated and at worst disparaging. It’s time that we re-examined our election system before the next election season. https://blog.washcoll.edu/wordpress/theelm/2020/11/the-electoral-college-is-an-outdated-system-that-needs-to-be-abolished/ 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 6 hours ago, newnative said: I've told this story before. I have a brother-in-law in the US who is actually a manager at a Virginia CVS store. He has been told by the local police to not call them unless someone steals more than $150 in merchandise. They cannot be bothered to respond. Get lost. Don't waste your dime--we won't answer. Don't even try; nobody's home. You're on your own with all those thefts and good luck. Hence, the merchandise under lock and key. The state of the US today. There's no doubt that it's a very broken nation and it is on the decline. Perhaps somewhat akin to Rome in the year 460 AD before the Visogoths marched in and sacked the city. Security guards should be able to take these things into their own hands and act as they please, beating down the criminals to whatever extent they like. Of course that'll never happen but that's what should happen. Let's have some fun! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted February 3 Popular Post Share Posted February 3 On 2/2/2024 at 5:55 PM, HappyExpat57 said: What you describe was not what the polls were predicting back then, again right up to election night. I can't remember exact numbers but the prognostications weren't even close. Hilldog was supposed to win in a landslide What major legal event occurred a week or so before the election that might have had a major effect on the election results? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 On 2/2/2024 at 4:49 AM, Danderman123 said: These early polls are worthless. Never heard of the source. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 https://www.investors.com/news/ibdtipp-americas-most-accurate-pollster/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, uttradit said: Never heard of the source. Are you arguing that early polls have predictive value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Just now, Danderman123 said: Are you arguing that early polls have predictive value? No I'm saying some polls are accurate and some are terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, uttradit said: No I'm saying some polls are accurate and some are terrible. Did you just discover that? https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/ Of course, all polls this early in the election are almost worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 A NY Times poll had Trump 4% ahead of Biden in November. One of the more accurate polls. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 8 minutes ago, uttradit said: https://www.investors.com/news/ibdtipp-americas-most-accurate-pollster/ Not a very accurate poll, per 538. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post uttradit Posted February 3 Popular Post Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: Did you just discover that? https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/ Of course, all polls this early in the election are almost worthless. I don't think so. Most people make up their minds early. Unless Biden or Trump drop out. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 minute ago, Danderman123 said: Not a very accurate poll, per 538. Quinn poll is ranked 15th on your link. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 8 minutes ago, uttradit said: A NY Times poll had Trump 4% ahead of Biden in November. One of the more accurate polls. Siena College conducts polls for the NY Times. https://scri.siena.edu/2020/11/01/the-new-york-times-siena-college-battleground-polls-arizona-florida-pennsylvania-wisconsin/ https://scri.siena.edu/2020/10/20/the-new-york-times-siena-college-national-poll-biden-leads-trump-50-41/ No 4% leads for Trump. Edited February 3 by Danderman123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 6 minutes ago, uttradit said: I don't think so. Most people make up their minds early. Unless Biden or Trump drop out. Can you back up your opinion by showing early polls being accurate in previous presidential campaigns? Spoiler alert: early polls are useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 6 minutes ago, uttradit said: Quinn poll is ranked 15th on your link. Moreover, their latest poll is worthless. Too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: Can you back up your opinion by showing early polls being accurate in previous presidential campaigns? Spoiler alert: early polls are useless. There were some in 2015/2016 but I'm not going digging. I'm going out. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 11 minutes ago, uttradit said: There were some in 2015/2016 but I'm not going digging. I'm going out. Back in 2015, Jeb Bush and Carly Fiorina were riding high in the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 So, all that "Sleepy Joe" talking points was just more MAGA accusation confession it seems. Trump's declining 'mental capacity' is now his greatest weakness Donald Trump's repeated gaffes and slurring during his speeches and public appearances has opened the door for former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) to make inroads into cutting into his support as the two battle for the GOP's 2024 presidential nomination, and one GOP strategist claims his declining mental capacity is fair game. https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mental-decline-2667160383 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 10 hours ago, newnative said: Totally agree. I never saw the need even from the get-go and it's certainly not needed or wanted now, except possibly by Republicans. It has literally turned US Presidential elections into travesties where only the 'swing' states are deemed important and 'safe' states are pretty much ignored by the candidates. Ludicrous that the will of the voters was ignored in 2016--two million more voters wanted Clinton over Trump and a handful of votes in a few states were able to flip the cursed Electoral College. Another handful of votes here and there and Trump could have won in 2020, even though he lost the popular vote by 7 million. Madness. Ditto for the 2000 election with Gore getting more votes than Bush--we would have been spared 8 years of the Cheney presidency. Time for US presidential elections to listen to the voters and not the cursed EC--the voters are usually right. You earned a trophy for "The Cheney presidency". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) On 2/2/2024 at 3:22 PM, rice555 said: One cherry picked poll does not make a race... https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls Thats a bingo! i was watching Megan Kelly with Newt G , she mentioned the same thing! Outlier Quinipiac ! The main thing is Trump is crushing [Biden] in Battle ground states according to their report polls Edited February 3 by stats trolling nickname removed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choff56 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 On 2/2/2024 at 4:47 PM, JCauto said: Justin Bieber is Canadian so that ain't gonna work... In Trump's world it does. Like absolute immunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Where the jobs are: Strong hiring in most industries has far outpaced high-profile layoffs So, how are both occurring at the same time? It’s not as contradictory as it might seem. Recent job cuts have been concentrated mainly in just a few sectors: technology, finance and media. Relative to the U.S. labor force of 160 million people, layoffs so far have been dwarfed by consistently vigorous hiring — a monthly average of 248,000 jobs added over the past six months. The unemployment rate is still just 3.7%, barely above a 50-year low. https://apnews.com/article/jobs-hiring-layoffs-unemployment-economy-inflation-29028a515cfd6250f3588254e77e6922 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jingthing Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) This is going to be the weirdest and definitely the dirtiest election in American history, Normal rules do not apply. Polls this early should be ignored in general but especially now, Why? Trump might not be the nominee. Why? Health (he's deteriorating rapidly) or they might drop him based on felony convictions. Biden might not be the nominee. Why? Health. He doesn't appear to be getting any worse as Trump does but he ain't getting any younger either. But still probably the dreaded Trump vs. Biden rematch. But. There are multiple threats of third party runs that if they happen are generally very threatening to Joe Biden rather than Trump. Remember if no candidate reaches 270 then it goes to the house and each state gets one vote. Based on the current and likely composition of the house after the election, Trump wins. No insurrection needed. But wait. There's more. Much more. If Trump loses he will never concede the loss. Anyone that doesn't realize that by now is living under a rock. His operatives will be ready to do anything including start a civil war to make him president if he loses. Why? He has nothing to lose. He mainly wants to stay out of jail. He respects no rules or laws. He will try anything and his fascist maga cult is with him on that. So people are acting like this is a normal election. That, folks, is INSANE. Edited February 3 by Jingthing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamb00ler Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 On 2/2/2024 at 4:49 AM, Danderman123 said: These early polls are worthless. They provide enough revenue to tide the polling companies over the dry spell before the campaigns heat up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, ozimoron said: You earned a trophy for "The Cheney presidency". Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: This is going to be the weirdest and definitely the dirtiest election in American history, Normal rules do not apply. Polls this early should be ignored in general but especially now, Why? Trump might not be the nominee. Why? Health (he's deteriorating rapidly) or they might drop him based on felony convictions. Biden might not be the nominee. Why? Health. He doesn't appear to be getting any worse as Trump does but he ain't getting any younger either. But still probably the dreaded Trump vs. Biden rematch. But. There are multiple threats of third party runs that if they happen are generally very threatening to Joe Biden rather than Trump. Remember if no candidate reaches 270 then it goes to the house and each state gets one vote. Based on the current and likely composition of the house after the election, Trump wins. No insurrection needed. But wait. There's more. Much more. If Trump loses he will never concede the loss. Anyone that doesn't realize that by now is living under a rock. His operatives will be ready to do anything including start a civil war to make him president if he loses. Why? He has nothing to lose. He mainly wants to stay out of jail. He respects no rules or laws. He will try anything and his fascist maga cult is with him on that. So people are acting like this is a normal election. That, folks, is INSANE. Biden looks almost dead. Piling on the makeup. Trump looks 10 years younger. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted February 3 Popular Post Share Posted February 3 51 minutes ago, uttradit said: Biden looks almost dead. Piling on the makeup. Trump looks 10 years younger. Trump looks and acts like the adjudicated rapist sociopath that he is. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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