Why are we suddenly allowed to publicly criticize Jews?

[KhunLA]

3 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Except ...the Greens/Left wing/Antifa  DON'T criticism the Muslim religion !

Be careful, don't bring the USA (antifa) into the discussion.  I'm told nobody cares 

 

Yes, selective criticism from selected bigots.  Nothing like labels when criticizing a group, and simply points out ones bigotry.  

 

Agree, govts fair game, but citizens, usually have no control, and protest against govt policies, but that doesn't make the MSM news as much.  More than a few Jews unhappy with israeli politics.

[sirineou]

Quote

Why are we suddenly allowed to publicly criticize Jews?

A good way to collect names.  LOL

 

 

[Gandtee]

11 hours ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

No so long ago it was absolutely out of the questing to speak against Jews. I remember very well on Reddit there was "Free Hong Kong" movement that went for months. Then somebody started "Free Palestine" movement which got a huge traction. Withing 12 hours everything was delete, everybody banned and there was no more "Free Palestine" movement. That was maybe 2 years ago.

 

But since January 2024 we are suddenly allowed to criticize Jews. And even encouraged. There are news how they are bombing children. News about anti Jews protest. News about this and that. Just right now if you look in new threads on this website there are 3 active anti Jew threads. Not so long ago you were not allowed to criticize them privately and suddenly mass media itself are pushing against them? 

 

What caused such a dramatic shift? 🤨 

Their behaviour and complete disregard for children's and non combatants safety in Gaza maybe?

[northsouthdevide]

11 hours ago, Stocky said:

It isn't (or at least shouldn't be) "criticize Jews", the criticism is of the Israeli government and its actions in Gaza.  It's worth remembering that not all Jews are Israelis, neither are all Israelis Jews.

Totally agree. 

Rightfully so, the jews have had a lot of sympathy for the way they were treated by the nazzi's, 

I just hope that just as we have forgiven modern germany for the atrocities carried out by its forefathers, one day we can do the same with the people on both sides of this conflict. 

It was possible in the former ugoslavia, and to a degree in Northern Ireland, so why not in the middle east? 

The proxi backers on both sides would have to stand down first, so i dont see it happening any time soon. 

Im sure that theres a lot of ordinery people  on both sides that want peace, but unfortunately, the people making the decisions arent listening to them. 

[JeffersLos]

11 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

physically attacking a Jew isn't allowed and never has been .

 

It certainly was in some countries. 

[Bangkok Barry]

It might be because the Israeli government has murdered over 27,000 while claiming they are trying to avoid civilian deaths. Because some people find that offensive and a massive over-reaction to an attack on them. Just a guess.

[steevjee]

12 hours ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

No so long ago it was absolutely out of the questing to speak against Jews. I remember very well on Reddit there was "Free Hong Kong" movement that went for months. Then somebody started "Free Palestine" movement which got a huge traction. Withing 12 hours everything was delete, everybody banned and there was no more "Free Palestine" movement. That was maybe 2 years ago.

 

But since January 2024 we are suddenly allowed to criticize Jews. And even encouraged. There are news how they are bombing children. News about anti Jews protest. News about this and that. Just right now if you look in new threads on this website there are 3 active anti Jew threads. Not so long ago you were not allowed to criticize them privately and suddenly mass media itself are pushing against them? 

 

What caused such a dramatic shift? 🤨 

1 word buddy.....GAZA .....  watch the BBC news occasionally.

Not so much the Jews are at fault with this ongoing Genocide of innocent women, children and men, it's the Zionists led by the Butcher of Jerusalem Netanyahu

[koolkarl]

Read America Alone and then you would realize who the non muslim world should be criticizing.  As usual most people are ignorant sheep.

[CygnusX1]

10 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

It might be because the Israeli government has murdered over 27,000 while claiming they are trying to avoid civilian deaths. Because some people find that offensive and a massive over-reaction to an attack on them. Just a guess.

Please, please - google “Sam Harris 5 myths about Israel and war in Gaza”. Option to listen to podcast or read transcript. 

 

One key quote - “The crucial distinction, which almost no one can keep in view, is that there are now 2 types of people in the world: those who intentionally torture and kill children and other noncombatants, to maximize horror, and those who avoid doing so, however imperfectly, while defending themselves against the first sort of people”.

 

There are no good options when fighting an insane death cult. War is horrible, but sadly often the only way, and Hamas must be totally defeated in the way the Axis powers were in WW2.

 

 

 

 

[newbee2022]

12 hours ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

No so long ago it was absolutely out of the questing to speak against Jews. I remember very well on Reddit there was "Free Hong Kong" movement that went for months. Then somebody started "Free Palestine" movement which got a huge traction. Withing 12 hours everything was delete, everybody banned and there was no more "Free Palestine" movement. That was maybe 2 years ago.

 

But since January 2024 we are suddenly allowed to criticize Jews. And even encouraged. There are news how they are bombing children. News about anti Jews protest. News about this and that. Just right now if you look in new threads on this website there are 3 active anti Jew threads. Not so long ago you were not allowed to criticize them privately and suddenly mass media itself are pushing against them? 

 

What caused such a dramatic shift? 🤨 

In my whole life I was never prohibited to criticise Jews. Sorry, I have to correct .. criticise Israel for it's politics concerning Palestinians and illegally occupying Palestinian land. 

Only in these times it's clear for the world that Israel is committing genocide. (s.The Hague Court of Justice)😕

[steevjee]

10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Sometimes it's difficult to keep things apart.

I guess the Israeli government is responsible for fighting the war in Gaza the way they do it. And especially Netanyahu. He is Jewish and I am sure most of the Israel's government are Jews and most of their citizens are Jews. Does this mean all Jews are responsible? No. Does that mean that a lot of Jews in Israel are responsible. Yes.

And then there is the billion-dollar weapon support from the USA? Who makes sure the USA is doing that? Jews?

It seems there are also some Jews who are against this war. So, we definitely can't say all Jews want to kill Palestinians.

 

I think we should try to separate clearly who is doing what and not mix different groups of people all toghter.

That is also the case with the people in Gaza and Hamas. Are some of them Hamas? Yes. Are all of them Hamas? No.

Who are Israeli soldiers killing? Only Hamas terrorists? Or do they kill also lots of other Palestinian people?

 

In a long debate we can look at all the details. In short it is not wrong to say that (many, not all) Jews kill (many, not all) Palestinians.

It's the Zionists that are causing all of this, they need to be curtailed urgently or this whole thing will just continue

[newbee2022]

11 minutes ago, steevjee said:

1 word buddy.....GAZA .....  watch the BBC news occasionally.

Not so much the Jews are at fault with this ongoing Genocide of innocent women, children and men, it's the Zionists led by the Butcher of Jerusalem Netanyahu

That's right. And that is Israel's politics since 1946.

But now we have an extremist leader fighting not for Israel but his own personal survival.

[newbee2022]

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How is having a Swastika on your front door in the USA connected to criticising Jews ?

Why is it that when Jews are mentioned, the subject often gets turned to the Holocaust ?

Why do Americans' keep going on about the USA all the time ?

   

...and why the embassy moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem? And why Blinken is Foreign Minister? And why USA subsidised Israel for decades?

[scottiejohn]

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why do Americans' keep going on about the USA all the time ?

It is the only country that most of them might know anything about!

[ezzra]

Here's some facts, Jews have been persecuted,loathed and driven out from places of domicile since biblical times

by a myriads of kings, armies, nations and empires throughout history, no other nation on earth have been through

what the Jews have suffered, and it's still going on today if it's not about  Gaza, than it will be about something else,

the world never needed a reason to hate and willifies Jews and nor now, and since many of them are living in Israel now,

so Israel have become a target too "Why are we suddenly allowed to publicly criticize Jews?"

Because it's the world's favorite people to blame and hate....

[JimHuaHin]

An interesting question - but is it really an "accurate" question?

 

I have some Jewish friends in northern America who have been criticizing the current Israeli leadership for many years.  Since the onset of the Israeli genocide/ethnocide in Gaza most of these friends have condemned Israel's actions.

 

The same situation exists in Israel - many many Jews (if not the majority) do not support their current government's actions, and there have been many public protests against the invasion of Gaza, especially by Orthodox Jews; these protests have been brutally put down by Israeli police and military, by order of Netanyahu.

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, ezzra said:

... no other nation on earth have been through

what the Jews have suffered, and it's still going on today ...

As told by Jews themselves     I think more than a few other religious folks, races or labels may disagree with that notion.

 

Just in case you forgot, there will be anther 10 movies made this year to remind you 

 

[Morch]

10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Sometimes it's difficult to keep things apart.

I guess the Israeli government is responsible for fighting the war in Gaza the way they do it. And especially Netanyahu. He is Jewish and I am sure most of the Israel's government are Jews and most of their citizens are Jews. Does this mean all Jews are responsible? No. Does that mean that a lot of Jews in Israel are responsible. Yes.

And then there is the billion-dollar weapon support from the USA? Who makes sure the USA is doing that? Jews?

It seems there are also some Jews who are against this war. So, we definitely can't say all Jews want to kill Palestinians.

 

I think we should try to separate clearly who is doing what and not mix different groups of people all toghter.

That is also the case with the people in Gaza and Hamas. Are some of them Hamas? Yes. Are all of them Hamas? No.

Who are Israeli soldiers killing? Only Hamas terrorists? Or do they kill also lots of other Palestinian people?

 

In a long debate we can look at all the details. In short it is not wrong to say that (many, not all) Jews kill (many, not all) Palestinians.

 

In short, you are making the case for legitimizing antisemitic views. That's what your last line and 'conclusion' are about.

 

And no, it is not that difficult to keep things apart. It's hard to do only if one comes with some 'welded in' bias, bigotry and so on - which a whole lot of people do. This is usually kept under wraps, comes out when discussions get a bit heated. But it's there - vs. Jews, Asians, Muslims, Blacks....whatever.

 

 

 

 

[ezzra]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

As told by Jews themselves     I think more than a few other religious folks, races or labels may disagree with that notion.

 

Just in case you forgot, there will be anther 10 movies made this year to remind you 

 

Hardly any nation, group of people or religion have survived since biblical times the way Jews did, I'm looking forward

to be corrected with facts...

[Morch]

10 hours ago, delgarcon said:

I think that you have highlighted one of the reasons why people dislike Jews. If you can answer your own question you are probably Jewish and you will go on reminding us of the atrocities committed against your people until the end of time. Most of us had family members or friends who suffered during the World wars, but after a period of mourning we move on, but you can't. Of course we don't know the names of the wars in question. we don't want to, isn't it enough to be forever reminded of the holocaust?

 

My heart goes out to you. Seems like them pesky Jews are forever tormenting you.

 

As for the comment you replied to - try that 'context' thing. Topic was in relation, I think, to the current situation. A whole lot of people comment on things, or protest or whatever - and do so decisively. The level of their actual knowledge regarding things is often minimal or non-existent. Doesn't stop them from pronouncing their 'opinion' as gospel. I think there's at least some relation with that, to the issue of bigotry.

[ozimoron]

 

5 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Except ...the Greens/Left wing/Antifa  DON'T criticism the Muslim religion !

 

Absolute crap. If you are talking about Hamas, there is not a single person on this board who has not condemned Hamas, of those who have posted on any relevant thread. And that's just the political organization.

 

Edited February 6 by ozimoron

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

 

 

The same situation exists in Israel - many many Jews (if not the majority) do not support their current government's actions, and there have been many public protests against the invasion of Gaza, especially by Orthodox Jews; these protests have been brutally put down by Israeli police and military, by order of Netanyahu.

 

  I don't believe that to be true .

There have been no news reports of that .

Orthodox Jews have protested (Them being anti Zionist) , as have hostages families , but the protests haven't been brutally suppressed by the Israeli authorities 

  Israel does allow protests 

[Parsve]

I find it strange that Israeli governments always say, "we must never forget the holocaust". Talk about asking for original sin. At the same time, they demand that we overlook the horrors they themselves do to Arabs. Talk about cynical egoists.

[Parsve]

Sorry, same post 2 times.

Edited February 6 by Parsve
Dobble click.

[Parsve]

Sorry, same post 3 times.

Edited February 6 by Parsve
doubble click

[ezzra]

8 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

An interesting question - but is it really an "accurate" question?

 

I have some Jewish friends in northern America who have been criticizing the current Israeli leadership for many years.  Since the onset of the Israeli genocide/ethnocide in Gaza most of these friends have condemned Israel's actions.

 

The same situation exists in Israel - many many Jews (if not the majority) do not support their current government's actions, and there have been many public protests against the invasion of Gaza, especially by Orthodox Jews; these protests have been brutally put down by Israeli police and military, by order of Netanyahu.

I agree that anyone and everyone is not above criticism, but when a march and a protests against the war in Gaza

includes neo nazis there, and others waving banners with the words Jews and similar, mixing the two subjects,

that fair criticism become an anti semite event... 

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Hardly any nation, group of people or religion have survived since biblical times the way Jews did, I'm looking forward

to be corrected with facts...

 

Try every one of them. You're not special, petal.

Edited February 6 by ozimoron

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, AndyAndyAndy said:

But since January 2024 we are suddenly allowed to criticize Jews.

I don't agree. We are allowed to criticize a nation that has killed thousands of children is all. I think criticizing a Jew per se would bring a different response. Not all Jews agree with what israelis are doing, some are even protesting about it.

[Nick Carter icp]

35 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

...and why the embassy moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem? And why Blinken is Foreign Minister? And why USA subsidised Israel for decades?

 

   Because Jerusalem is Israel's Capital city and Embassies are usually in Capital cities and the USA supports democracies and also USA aid to Israel supports the USA economy because ALL that aid goes straight back to the USA

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, Parsve said:

I find it strange that Israeli governments always say, "we must never forget the holocaust". Talk about asking for original sin. At the same time, they demand that we overlook the horrors they themselves do to Arabs. Talk about cynical egoists.

 

  Do give it  a rest about the Holocaust , anti Semites never stop going on about it