Biden's own DOJ says he is an 'elderly man with a poor memory': Classified document case

[xylophone]

Well I suppose there are a few things in Biden's favour, inasmuch as he hasn't asked one of his team if they can buy Greenland, as did Trump, nor stolen from a charity or bankrupted several companies thereby stiffing the working man.

 

He is an elderly man and can be prone to gaffes/memory lapses, but then again compared to the ex-president, he is intelligent, squeaky clean and a diamond.

[illisdean]

3 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Biden, despite his deteriorated mental state is still in office. This cannot stand, or can it? LOL....only in a loony and deluded democratic setting.

Biden appears to be geographically challenged and confused about Mexico sharing a border with Gaza, or fumbles with his memory and cannot recall when he was VP or when his son died.

 

Sharp dude this Biden, [bout as sharp as a bowling ball...] He's also in the oval office. 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, illisdean said:

Biden appears to be geographically challenged and confused about Mexico sharing a border with Gaza, or fumbles with his memory and cannot recall when he was VP or when his son died.

 

Sharp dude this Biden, [bout as sharp as a bowling ball...] He's also in the oval office. 

 

 

 
trump is not exactly sharp as tack. Besides being geographically challenged, he is host of many other cognitively challenged behaviors. Both men shared similarly old age cognitive decline but Biden stand high on matters relating to competence, principle, ethics and honesty. Way above lying Trump. 

 
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/msna1327376

[illisdean]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 
trump is not exactly sharp as tack. Besides being geographically challenged, he is host of many other cognitively challenged behaviors. Both men shared similarly old age cognitive decline but Biden stand high on matters relating to competence, principle, ethics and honesty. Way above lying Trump. 

 
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/msna1327376

Biden is too mentally incompetent to stand trial for the stated crime of willfully retaining and sharing classified materials. What part don't you understand: Biden is a criminal but too mentally unwell to be indicted and stand trial, or he's just such an outstanding albeit failed leader currently getting crushed by great and getting greater Trump and Team MAGA in all polls of significance now?  You should realize by now that Biden belongs in a care facility for elderly and mentally unwell geriatrics. To have the oval office occupied by a moron may be ok where you come from but not in the real world scheme of things. Biden's done, if you don't know that, you're no better off than him.

Edited February 11 by illisdean

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, illisdean said:

Biden is a criminal but too mentally unwell to be indicted and stand trial

Wrong...........because the charge of wilfully retaining and sharing classified documents would be unable to be proven given that he owned up to having them and notified the proper authorities and did not lie about any aspect of it, so the worst possible scenario would have been a slap on the wrist for being forgetful. Unlike your fat hero who lied and constantly obstructed efforts to retrieve the stolen documents....see the difference?

[Hanaguma]

7 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Wrong...........because the charge of wilfully retaining and sharing classified documents would be unable to be proven given that he owned up to having them and notified the proper authorities and did not lie about any aspect of it, so the worst possible scenario would have been a slap on the wrist for being forgetful. Unlike your fat hero who lied and constantly obstructed efforts to retrieve the stolen documents....see the difference?

Biden is too addled and confused to lie. That is the conclusion of the report. Trump is still sharp enough to be a braggart and an arrogant prick.  I know which I would pick if, God forbid, those were the only choices available.

[impulse]

27 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Wrong...........because the charge of wilfully retaining and sharing classified documents would be unable to be proven given that he owned up to having them and notified the proper authorities

 

Sure, 5 years later...  When the heat was on, and he knew that his crimes would come out because of the Trump case.

 

He knew in 2017 (and probably earlier) that he had classified documents that he wasn't allowed to have.  He turned them over in 2022.

 

Read the report.  It's pretty damning.  Because he wasn't senile when he committed the crimes.

 

[xylophone]

On 2/9/2024 at 8:05 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur’s report reads.

 

Entirely reasonable for anyone to present themselves to a jury in a way that garners sympathy.

 

A long way from a diagnosis or indeed a Cognitive Assessment Test.

 

And this from medical specialsts should quieten the Biden bashers and dumb trump supporters.........

 

A lengthy report by the Department of Justice on President Biden’s handling of classified documents contained some astonishing assessments of his well-being and mental health.

 

Mr. Biden, 81, was an “elderly man with a poor memory” and “diminished faculties” who “did not remember when he was vice president,” the special counsel Robert K. Hur said.

 

In conversations recorded in 2017, Mr. Biden was “often painfully slow” and “struggling to remember events and straining at times to read and relay his own notebook entries.” So impaired was Mr. Biden that a jury was unlikely to convict him, Mr. Hur said.

 

Republicans were quick to pounce, some calling the president unfit for office and demanding his removal.

 

But while the report disparaged Mr. Biden’s mental health, medical experts on Friday noted that its judgments were not based on science and that its methods bore no resemblance to those that doctors use to assess possible cognitive impairment.

 

In its simplest form, the issue is one that doctors and family members have been dealing with for decades: How do you know when an episode of confusion or a memory lapse is part of a serious decline?

 

The answer: “You don’t,” said David Loewenstein, director of the center for cognitive neuroscience and aging at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine.

 

The diagnosis requires a battery of sophisticated and objective tests that probe several areas: different types of memory, language, executive function, problem solving, and spatial skills and attention.

 

The tests, he said, determine if there is a medical condition, and if so, its nature and extent. Verbal stumbles are not proof, Dr. Loewenstein and other experts said.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/09/health/biden-memory-doj.html

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/11/2024 at 5:26 PM, Roo Island said:

Legally? Wow. What a stretch.

 

What about Trump’s hundreds of gaffes? Give him a pass?

Where is your documented ( from a qualified person ) proof that he is mentally unfit?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Where is your documented ( from a qualified person ) proof that he is mentally unfit?

We have documented proof the Trump was rushed to the Walter Reid Memorial Hospital in the middle of the night to be administered the Montreal Cognitive Assessment Test.

 

Trump himself frequently discusses it, but we have never been told why Trump’s handlers thought that extraordinary measures was taken with such nighttime urgency.

 

We also have documented records from firsthand participants that Trump’s own Cabinet considered enacting the 25th Amendment against him.

 

 

 

 

[frank83628]

43 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We have documented proof the Trump was rushed to the Walter Reid Memorial Hospital in the middle of the night to be administered the Montreal Cognitive Assessment Test.

 

Trump himself frequently discusses it, but we have never been told why Trump’s handlers thought that extraordinary measures was taken with such nighttime urgency.

 

We also have documented records from firsthand participants that Trump’s own Cabinet considered enacting the 25th Amendment against him.

 

 

 

 

25th needs to acted against Biden, how can you be unfit to stand trial yet still be fit to have run the country and have Nuke codes!! (as they kept banging on about with trump)

you can't have it both ways. 

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

25th needs to acted against Biden, how can you be unfit to stand trial yet still be fit to have run the country and have Nuke codes!! (as they kept banging on about with trump)

you can't have it both ways. 

Let’s see you try to here all others have failed.

 

Please provide evidence, real quote and real link, of any assessment that Biden is not fit to stand trial.

 

Or be owned by your own baseless nonsense claims. 

[bendejo]

I wouldn't be surprised if Smiling Mr Hur receives some reprimand for putting his political slant in the report.  I could see where any DOJ would want keep the political sniping out of their text.

 

[frank83628]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s see you try to here all others have failed.

 

Please provide evidence, real quote and real link, of any assessment that Biden is not fit to stand trial.

 

Or be owned by your own baseless nonsense claims. 

this whole thread is about it incase you haven't realised..
 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, frank83628 said:

this whole thread is about it incase you haven't realised..
 

Nothing anywhere in the OP or the DOJ Report the OP refers to substantiates your claim.

 

Its why your baseless assertion owns you.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 hours ago, illisdean said:

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/06/joe-biden-just-proved-how-stupid-he-is/

 

 

Worth noting that the partisan opinions expressed in the above weblink were made in mid-2023 -- many months before the Republican-aligned special counsel decided that no criminal charges would be brought against Biden for any violations of federal law.

 

 

Edited February 13 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[frank83628]

 

25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Worth noting that the partisan opinions expressed in the above weblink were made in mid-2023 -- many months before the Republican-aligned special counsel decided that no criminal charges would be brought against Biden for any violations of federal law.

 

 

 

when you say 'republican-aligned' so as to discredit somewhat, does the same apply to ' Dem - aligned' in terms of prosecutors, jury, media?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

 

 

when you say 'republican-aligned' so as to discredit somewhat, does the same apply to ' Dem - aligned' in terms of prosecutors, jury, media?

 

The reference isn't intended to discredit him, after all, his finding to not file any criminal charges pertained to a Democrat President, making the outcome all the more significant.

 

It does, however, accurately reflect his career history and political leanings as a Trump appointed U.S. attorney and, before that, a long association with and support of various Republican and right-wing judges and political figures.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_K._Hur

 

"After law school, Hur was a law clerk for Judge Alex Kozinski of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit from 2001 to 2002 and for Chief Justice William Rehnquist of the U.S. Supreme Court from 2002 to 2003.^[2]"

 

^"On November 1, 2017, Hur was nominated by President Donald Trump to be the next United States Attorney for the District of Maryland.^[6] ... He was sworn in on April 9, 2018.^[9]

 

^"Hur has made donations to the campaigns of at least three Republican political candidates, for less than one thousand dollars combined.^[24]"

 

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, frank83628 said:

25th needs to acted against Biden, how can you be unfit to stand trial yet still be fit to have run the country and have Nuke codes!! (as they kept banging on about with trump)

you can't have it both ways. 

The poster you responded to said he had "documented" proof, but apparently failed to provide it, LOL.

[dhupverg]

On 2/12/2024 at 11:40 PM, xylophone said:

 

And this from medical specialsts should quieten the Biden bashers and dumb trump supporters.........

 

A lengthy report by the Department of Justice on President Biden’s handling of classified documents contained some astonishing assessments of his well-being and mental health.

 

Mr. Biden, 81, was an “elderly man with a poor memory” and “diminished faculties” who “did not remember when he was vice president,” the special counsel Robert K. Hur said.

 

In conversations recorded in 2017, Mr. Biden was “often painfully slow” and “struggling to remember events and straining at times to read and relay his own notebook entries.” So impaired was Mr. Biden that a jury was unlikely to convict him, Mr. Hur said.

 

Republicans were quick to pounce, some calling the president unfit for office and demanding his removal.

 

But while the report disparaged Mr. Biden’s mental health, medical experts on Friday noted that its judgments were not based on science and that its methods bore no resemblance to those that doctors use to assess possible cognitive impairment.

 

In its simplest form, the issue is one that doctors and family members have been dealing with for decades: How do you know when an episode of confusion or a memory lapse is part of a serious decline?

 

The answer: “You don’t,” said David Loewenstein, director of the center for cognitive neuroscience and aging at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine.

 

The diagnosis requires a battery of sophisticated and objective tests that probe several areas: different types of memory, language, executive function, problem solving, and spatial skills and attention.

 

The tests, he said, determine if there is a medical condition, and if so, its nature and extent. Verbal stumbles are not proof, Dr. Loewenstein and other experts said.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/09/health/biden-memory-doj.html

 

 

 

Why not put to bed the calls of lack of mental fortitude and take a competency test? It seems like the logical thing to do.  They could also release the interview from back in  2017 and  also subpoena Hur. Why not get to the bottom of it and end the speculation one way or another?  

 

If he's mentally fit, great, if he's not, next........

[xylophone]

21 hours ago, illisdean said:

Biden, "....proves how stupid he is.."

 

Biden and/or those who care for him should have anticipated this day would  come after special counsel Hur completed his investigation.

 

 

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/06/joe-biden-just-proved-how-stupid-he-is/

 

Digging up "news" which is over 6 months old and which proved to be a fizzer as no action was taken.........you trumpies must be desperate for news!! How about news on trump being ordered to pay back millions which he stole from a charity, or many of his other crimes because he was convicted of them.

[frank83628]

23 hours ago, xylophone said:

Digging up "news" which is over 6 months old and which proved to be a fizzer as no action was taken.........you trumpies must be desperate for news!! How about news on trump being ordered to pay back millions which he stole from a charity, or many of his other crimes because he was convicted of them.

apparently you're supposed to provide links.

 

[Danderman123]

Hur's summary did not accurately describe their actual interview.

 

There were things that Biden didn't remember from 2009 and 2017, but that is typical for most people. 

 

 

[Danderman123]

https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=5273

 

If you read the transcript, it's obvious that Biden is perfectly normal regarding memory and alertness.

[Danderman123]

On 2/8/2024 at 7:49 PM, novacova said:

It’s quite remarkable that many support the poor guy even though that the fella has overt undeniable severe age degenerative issues. It just goes to show how desperate and convoluted the left has become, quite the clown show 

Your post did not age well.

 

How is your man Trump doing in that department?

[Danderman123]

On 2/13/2024 at 9:00 PM, dhupverg said:

Why not put to bed the calls of lack of mental fortitude and take a competency test? It seems like the logical thing to do.  They could also release the interview from back in  2017 and  also subpoena Hur. Why not get to the bottom of it and end the speculation one way or another?  

 

If he's mentally fit, great, if he's not, next........

They did, and Hur was forced to read the transcript of the Biden issue.

 

It turns out that Biden has a better memory than Hur.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Hur's summary did not accurately describe their actual interview.

 

There were things that Biden didn't remember from 2009 and 2017, but that is typical for most people. 

 

 

Most people are not POTUS. A POTUS should be held to a higher standard than most people.

[gargamon]

49 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Most people are not POTUS. A POTUS should be held to a higher standard than most people.

Then how did Trump ever get the job? Or be allowed to try and get it again? 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, gargamon said:

Then how did Trump ever get the job? Or be allowed to try and get it again? 

Trump won because a lot of people didn't want HRC to become president. He is in the running now because a lot of people don't want Biden to be president again.

If you don't know what is in the US constitution perhaps you should read it.

[Hanaguma]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Your post did not age well.

 

How is your man Trump doing in that department?

Ah yes, "b-b-b-but Trump..." enters the fray. Do you really think saying that Biden and Trump are equally senile is a good defense?