The lost art of tipping

[kingstonkid]

One of the things I have noticed is that with the digital wallets and all the pther digital crap that people are not tipping as much.

 

Tips used to be the loose change or 20 baht note that you got as change.

 

How many here actually dig into their pockets and put a tip in the container after paying digitally

[georgegeorgia]

Tipping is still happening digital

I noticed this with pizza delivery 

[CharlieH]

Depends on the venue.

 

I still use cash for lunch each day and they get the loose change etc if its not an even note.

Places that are "cashless" don't get anything. I am dead against a cashless society.

[sirineou]

4 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

One of the things I have noticed is that with the digital wallets and all the pther digital crap that people are not tipping as much.

 

Tips used to be the loose change or 20 baht note that you got as change.

 

How many here actually dig into their pockets and put a tip in the container after paying digitally

Even if the gratuities are included on the bill, I still leave a tip, because I don't think the workers ever see those included in the bill tips.  

[Tropicalevo]

I always pay cash and I always leave a tip.

Keeping the art alive.

[G_Money]

Have always been a pretty generous tipper.

 

Mine and some others comments should send the Cheap Charlie’s into a frenzy 

[richard_smith237]

I agree... 

I'm 99% cashless now, everywhere I go... 

 

Where I used to leave a little change...  paying digitally, I don't anymore. 

 

Being British, tipping has always seemed a strange custom to me. 

 

I'm paying for something, including a service, why should I pay more if I'm satisfied with that service... I expected to be satisfied, thats exactly what I've paid for.

 

I love Japan for this reason...  No tipping expected, yet service is impeccable. 

 

Most places in Thailand now have a 10% service charge so that takes care of the tipping IMO... and when there is no services charge my tip (or not) will depend on the situation... 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

13 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Depends on the venue.

 

I still use cash for lunch each day and they get the loose change etc if its not an even note.

Places that are "cashless" don't get anything. I am dead against a cashless society.

 

Pro's and cons...    I'd not want to be without either. 

 

The convenience of just tapping your phone and paying is excellent, as is just tapping your card.

I was in France for 2 weeks and didn't even take any cash out - very convenient.

I was in Japan recently - a bit more like Thailand on the cash front, I had to use cash for about 10% of transactions. 

 

But there are also negatives of cashless society - we certainly need both.

[stoner]

24 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

I am dead against a cashless society.

 

don't like being monitored ? 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Mine and some others comments should send the Cheap Charlie’s into a frenzy 

 

Is not tipping being a cheap charlie ?

 

If you tip in Japan its considered an insult. 

Why don't businesses (i.e. US) pay their staff a decent rate so tipping is not needed ?? - isn't that being a cheap charlie ?

 

I want to ask all the 'big tippers'... ?? Do they tip their hotel staff in the breakfast buffet?...  do they tip the flight attendant on the way over here ?

 

We just arrived in Bangkok after holiday.. we had 90 kgs of baggage (and I was injured), 2x baggage handlers helped us, they each got 100 baht - which I thought reasonable. 

 

 

Personally, I don't like the practice of tipping at all as I struggle to know where to draw the line ? 

Tip the taxi driver ? the bus driver ? the Pilot ?

In most cases over here its obvious though.

 

So is a tip suggesting that 'I get paid more than you so you should be happy with my scraps' ?

Its a very grey area that is often complicated. 

 

On the surface of it I prefer the simplicity of a non tipping culture, but a tipping culture also has more people around to help with the small things.

 

 

 

[Dolf]

I don't tell people how to spend their money. Sometimes tip sometimes not.

[Lacessit]

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

 

The convenience of just tapping your phone and paying is excellent, as is just tapping your card.

 

I tap a card in Australia, for 99% of transactions. In Thailand, I use mostly cash, occasional card.

 

I refuse to have anything to do with phones, mainly because IMO there is going to be a massive hack of the system one day.

 

The other thing I notice with phones is how slow the transactions are at a checkout, compared to paying cash or tapping a card.

 

I don't tip in Australia. I tip here with cash, I don't when they want a card.

[Prubangboy]

If you come from a place where tipping is not a thing, I have no problem with people not tipping. Thai people don't tip much (if at all).

 

Our rule for Grab delivery is 50 baht, unless they're coming from the Old City or beyond, then we go up to 100. They def like seeing a tip on their phone upfront. One guy we love texts us to say, "I'm really waiting a long time for the food", but it's still a flat 50-100.

[spidermike007]

Many of us still tip. I do not use a digital wallet much. I avoid it like the plague. I love cash, always have, always will. But, even if I pay online, I still give the Foodpanda guy or gal a tip. They work hard, out in the hot sun, and do not get paid as much as they deserve. The 20 baht means nothing to most of us. It means alot to them. I can see that by their reaction. Same applies in a restaurant. Anywhere.

 

From my point of view, a lack of tipping emanates from a very cold heart, that shuts itself off from people. Giving and charity are very healthy for the heart and soul.

Edited February 24 by spidermike007

[richard_smith237]

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I tap a card in Australia, for 99% of transactions. In Thailand, I use mostly cash, occasional card.

 

I refuse to have anything to do with phones, mainly because IMO there is going to be a massive hack of the system one day.

 

Fear of development...  warranted or not, is a very common thing as we get older. 

 

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The other thing I notice with phones is how slow the transactions are at a checkout, compared to paying cash or tapping a card.

 

The phone thing... is as quick as tapping a card...  it works wirelessly just like the card - I just double tap the power button, look at the phone (face Id) an its ready to pay.... 

 

I think you might be thinking of PromptPay and scanning that way..  some people unfamiliar with the system are slower. 

I used PromptPay a lot and find it quicker than cash.

 

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I don't tip in Australia. I tip here with cash, I don't when they want a card.

 

[CharlieH]

51 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

don't like being monitored ? 

Couldnt careless about monitor its  potentially being controlled I object to.

 

How long before it's gets to controlled movement and spending.

[fondue zoo]

If they ride in the rain for me they're going to get tipped well.

[G_Money]

40 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I tap a card in Australia, for 99% of transactions. In Thailand, I use mostly cash, occasional card.

 

I refuse to have anything to do with phones, mainly because IMO there is going to be a massive hack of the system one day.

 

The other thing I notice with phones is how slow the transactions are at a checkout, compared to paying cash or tapping a card.

 

I don't tip in Australia. I tip here with cash, I don't when they want a card.

“massive hack of the system one day”

 

Under what conspiracy theory does this fall under?

My IPhone has never been hacked.

 

[richard_smith237]

There's definitely a few people on this thread whose favourite author is George Orwell !!! 

 

[worgeordie]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

There's definitely a few people on this thread whose favourite author is George Orwell !!! 

 

Why not many of the things he said are coming true , !!!!   what better way of controlling

folks than how they can spend their money ....its coming . 

 

regards Worgeordie

[Dolf]

Japan has no tipping culture because prices are already very high. Tipping is supposed to compensate for cheap prices and ensure the less paid people get a decent wage. 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Restaurants and massage shops are good for tipping. If you don't tip there, assuming no 10 per cent surcharge, then you are a cheap charlie in my book. 

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

There's definitely a few people on this thread whose favourite author is George Orwell !!! 

 

Why not many of the things he said are coming true , !!!!   what better way of controlling

folks than how they can spend their money ....its coming . 

 

regards Worgeordie

 

Lots of different forms of digital currency....       decentralised banking etc...   

 

... its coming... 

 

... Just as easily mentioned as the paranoid 'the governments are trying to control us' brigade.

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Japan has no tipping culture because prices are already very high. Tipping is supposed to compensate for cheap prices and ensure the less paid people get a decent wage. 

 

The price of a beer in in a restaurant or bar in Japan is cheaper than in Thailand  (for the most part) - prices are not a lot higher than Thailand, a lot things are cheaper there. 

 

Tipping is not considered polite in Japan because its presents an implication that the 'serving party' is underpaid an needs the money, is undervalued by is company...  its considered demeaning. 

 

 

Would you tip your child's school teacher ???? - Teachers salaries are abysmal in Thailand (non-Int'l schools).

 

 

[Dolf]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The price of a beer in in a restaurant or bar in Japan is cheaper than in Thailand  (for the most part) - prices are not a lot higher than Thailand, a lot things are cheaper there. 

 

Tipping is not considered polite in Japan because its presents an implication that the 'serving party' is underpaid an needs the money, is undervalued by is company...  its considered demeaning. 

 

 

Would you tip your child's school teacher ???? - Teachers salaries are abysmal in Thailand (non-Int'l schools).

 

 

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Japan&country2=Thailand&city1=Tokyo&city2=Bangkok

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Restaurants and massage shops are good for tipping. If you don't tip there, assuming no 10 per cent surcharge, then you are a cheap charlie in my book. 

 

Do you tip your hotel receptionist ?... the breakfast staff (on the free BF buffet when there is no bill) ???

 

Do you tip the labourers who take your rubbish away in the middle of the night ?

 

Where is your 'cheap charlie line drawn' ???...  only at restaurants and massage shops ?

 

 

 

 

[stoner]

50 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Couldnt careless about monitor its  potentially being controlled I object to.

 

How long before it's gets to controlled movement and spending.

 

i hear you. having others tell you what to do is pretty crazy.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Dolf said:

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Japan&country2=Thailand&city1=Tokyo&city2=Bangkok

 

I don't need a website - I've just been there.....   although that website is good information, its also misleading. 

 

The the 1000 JPY bowl of Ramen is far greater in quality than a 100 baht Thai meal. 

The beer (which is cheaper in a restaurant in Japan) is better quality than Singha in Thailand. 

 

The direct 'price for price' comparison, ignores quality. 

Regardless... none of the above is the reason for not tipping in Japan...  The reason for tipping in Thailand is possibly a certain degree of Americanisation. 

 

[G_Money]

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The price of a beer in in a restaurant or bar in Japan is cheaper than in Thailand  (for the most part) - prices are not a lot higher than Thailand, a lot things are cheaper there. 

 

Tipping is not considered polite in Japan because its presents an implication that the 'serving party' is underpaid an needs the money, is undervalued by is company...  its considered demeaning. 

 

 

Would you tip your child's school teacher ???? - Teachers salaries are abysmal in Thailand (non-Int'l schools).

 

 

I believe we’re talking about (thread) Thailand, not Japan.

Edited February 24 by G_Money

[Dolf]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I don't need a website - I've just been there.....   although that website is good information, its also misleading. 

 

The the 1000 JPY bowl of Ramen is far greater in quality than a 100 baht Thai meal. 

The beer (which is cheaper in a restaurant in Japan) is better quality than Singha in Thailand. 

 

The direct 'price for price' comparison, ignores quality. 

Regardless... none of the above is the reason for not tipping in Japan...  The reason for tipping in Thailand is possibly a certain degree of Americanisation. 

 

I'm there now. Hotels are far more expensive. If you only drink 1 beer a day it's a small part of the budget. Rents long term a lot more expensive too. Asahi is available in Thailand. Thailand has 30 baht meals too. Haven't seen any in Japan.