11 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Not revenge, Hamas has vowed to carry on these barbaric attacks and I'm sure you'll Agree none of us want that do we? Israel has no choice, the ball is in the terrorists hands.

Still we going in circles, because this war is not because of on singel terrorist attack. Even we go back decades, those incidents is because of massive destablilazing in the erea, so? How to proceed? 

 

I have said before there is two solutions, both parts have to start from zero, or one part have to be zeroed, and obviously both parts work hard to accomplish the last scenario, but as long one part is stronger than the other, the other part win the media and propaganda war. 

 

As said before, both parts is responsible for this war! And again, sad to see once more terrorism being rewarded. 

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel hasn't committed any war crimes though .

Once again, you are mispresenting the facts . you are making a habit of misrepresenting facts 

I think Im done with that question, and wait and see how to world will judge when all this is over. Im sure you understand, there is no war without war crimes from both parts or side of the alliances, never been 

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

 

As said before, both parts is responsible for this war! And again, sad to see once more terrorism being rewarded. 

 

   Once again , you  misrepresenting the facts .

Hamas are responsible for this war .

Had they not invaded Israel , then there wouldn't be a war 

 

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I think Im done with that question, and wait and see how to world will judge when all this is over. Im sure you understand, there is no war without war crimes from both parts or side of the alliances, never been 

 

   Do you even know what a war crime is ?

Sounds like you don't know what a war crime is 

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Still we going in circles, because this war is not because of on singel terrorist attack. Even we go back decades, those incidents is because of massive destablilazing in the erea, so? How to proceed? 

 

I have said before there is two solutions, both parts have to start from zero, or one part have to be zeroed, and obviously both parts work hard to accomplish the last scenario, but as long one part is stronger than the other, the other part win the media and propaganda war. 

 

As said before, both parts is responsible for this war! And again, sad to see once more terrorism being rewarded. 

No only one part is responsible for this war.

 

"Guterres stresses Palestinian grievances don’t justify October 7 massacre"

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

Why is it NOT OK for Palestinians to defend themselves against an invading army intent on committing genocide?

 

Why is it OK for Israel to hold Palestinian men, women and children in prison without charges?

Why is it NOT OK for Israelis to defend themselves against an invading army intent on committing genocide?

 

Why is it OK for Palestine to hold Israeli civilian men, women and children hostage?

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

Still we going in circles, because this war is not because of on singel terrorist attack. Even we go back decades, those incidents is because of massive destablilazing in the erea, so? How to proceed? 

 

I have said before there is two solutions, both parts have to start from zero, or one part have to be zeroed, and obviously both parts work hard to accomplish the last scenario, but as long one part is stronger than the other, the other part win the media and propaganda war. 

 

As said before, both parts is responsible for this war! And again, sad to see once more terrorism being rewarded. 

This war is most certainly because of the 7/10 attack on Innocent Israeli civilians and why you chose to deny the absolute obvious event is only known to you. You have a terrible habit of plucking dates out of mid air that suits your agenda, without the Palestian attack none of this would be happening.

Your second paragraph is totally gibberish!

Both parties are not responsible for this war, the blame solely lies with the Hamas terrorists for without 7/10 none of this would be happening, why do you find it so difficult to comprehend this.

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

I think Im done with that question, and wait and see how to world will judge when all this is over. Im sure you understand, there is no war without war crimes from both parts or side of the alliances, never been 

In years to come, our grandkids will ask," grandad, why did people allow this to happen? "

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

In years to come, our grandkids will ask," grandad, why did people allow this to happen? "

There are kids asking now, why have Hamas not released the hostages, why do Hamas want this horrible war to carry on?

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

In years to come, our grandkids will ask," grandad, why did people allow this to happen? "

Or maybe they'll ask why are terrorists being excused by people that believe everything that Al Jazeera and indeed the terrorists themselves tell them!

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

In years to come, our grandkids will ask," grandad, why did people allow this to happen? "

And we'll have to tell them that it happened because so many people hate Jews.

49 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

This war is most certainly because of the 7/10 attack on Innocent Israeli civilians and why you chose to deny the absolute obvious event is only known to you. You have a terrible habit of plucking dates out of mid air that suits your agenda, without the Palestian attack none of this would be happening.

Your second paragraph is totally gibberish!

Both parties are not responsible for this war, the blame solely lies with the Hamas terrorists for without 7/10 none of this would be happening, why do you find it so difficult to comprehend this.

What you present here is the mirror effect! 

 

And your wobblery gibbish you can take another place! 

 

Just wasting my time in an never ending circle with single minded thinking stubborn old men! 

 

We just have to wait and see how the world will see this in retrospect! 

 

God save you all! 

 

 

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

What you present here is the mirror effect! 

 

And your wobblery gibbish you can take another place! 

 

Just wasting my time in an never ending circle with single minded thinking stubborn old men! 

 

We just have to wait and see how the world will see this in retrospect! 

 

God save you all! 

 

 

What ever you were trying to say you have failed miserably!

Just now, Wobblybob said:

What ever you were trying to say you have failed miserably!

I cant help you if you feel like an failure, Im quite confident you are wrong! History is on my side, and so will world opinion as for now, Usa, yes I say Us first, because this would not be possible without them onboard! 

 

Again, I have not invested in this conflict one side or the other! I repeat myself, Both sides is wrong, both sides commits war crimes! 

A post has been removed from the usual suspect for going off topic into history. Please discuss this in another topic and stop attempting to hijack this one, you know this is not the one for that. Thank you

Just now, Hummin said:

I cant help you if you feel like an failure, Im quite confident you are wrong! History is on my side, and so will world opinion as for now, Usa, yes I say Us first, because this would not be possible without them onboard! 

 

Again, I have not invested in this conflict one side or the other! I repeat myself, Both sides is wrong, both sides commits war crimes! 

I don't feel like a failure, what conclusions led you to that belief, could it be by getting an insult in early will enhance your opinions, well it won't, try and be an adult and debate without derogatory insults.

Both sides are not wrong, Israel is trying to stop a repeat performance of 7/10, don't worry it's only a matter of time before you see sense

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Why have Israel not released theirs ?

Israel is not holding hostages, you are confused. 

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Israel is not holding hostages, you are confused. 

Why hold hostages when you can just indiscriminately kill everyone 

14 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

I don't feel like a failure, what conclusions led you to that belief, could it be by getting an insult in early will enhance your opinions, well it won't, try and be an adult and debate without derogatory insults.

Both sides are not wrong, Israel is trying to stop a repeat performance of 7/10, don't worry it's only a matter of time before you see sense

Again, Read back on your own replies.

 

 

Just now, Hummin said:

Again, Read back on your own replies.

 

 

What sort of a reply is that apart from a cop out! 

...and in other news, the floating pier the Americans built to send supplies to Hamas... is no more. It broke up in heavy seas and washed ashore.

 

$320 million spent on a piece of infrastructure that lasted a week. Nice work,  Joe.

 

Israel has no plan for what to do after the war ends. 

Why Israel can't destroy Hamas
Amid ever-increasing global outrage, the objectives in Israel's war are out of reach.

https://www.vox.com/today-explained-podcast/352059/why-israel-cant-destroy-hamas

 

If the war ever ends. Now Israel is predicting it will likely last another 7 months:

Israel says Gaza war likely to last another seven months as tanks probe Rafah

https://archive.ph/OfMIV

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

Israel has no plan for what to do after the war ends. 

Why Israel can't destroy Hamas
Amid ever-increasing global outrage, the objectives in Israel's war are out of reach.

https://www.vox.com/today-explained-podcast/352059/why-israel-cant-destroy-hamas

 

If the war ever ends. Now Israel is predicting it will likely last another 7 months:

Israel says Gaza war likely to last another seven months as tanks probe Rafah

https://archive.ph/OfMIV

So, in your opinion, what should Israel do now?  Personally, I think there is no sense in Israel stopping now.  My hope is once Israel does stop the civilian population in Gaza will rebel against Hamas and choose to work out something with the Israelis.  For that to happen, Hamas leadership needs to be neutered and somehow be replaced by a new governing body.  Probably wishful thinking on my part.  Growing support for Hamas in the West Bank also needs to be addressed along with cutting off military aid from Iran and others.  What a mess.

 

9 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

...and in other news, the floating pier the Americans built to send supplies to Hamas... is no more. It broke up in heavy seas and washed ashore.

 

$320 million spent on a piece of infrastructure that lasted a week. Nice work,  Joe.

 

Someone in the Pentagon convinced him to install it.  Supposedly it will be towed to an Israeli port for repairs and reinstalled.  With that kind of price tag wouldn't air drops be more effective?  Either way, both are logistical nightmares.

19 hours ago, Neeranam said:

No need for personal insults. 

 

You mentioned other sources, got any links?

 

Last time for Neeranam. Yet another link that will be ignored. 

 

The targeted strike in Rafah, 1.7 km from the humanitarian area, used precise munitions carrying 34kg of explosives to eliminate 2 senior Hamas terrorists.

We are looking into the possibility of secondary explosions from a Hamas ammunition warehouse near the civilian compound and over 100 meters away from the strike site—causing the fire that tragically took civilian lives.

We are investigating the cause of the fire and will continue to operate in accordance with international law.

21 hours ago, Neeranam said:

A lucky hit? 

Why the cryptic questions? 

Do you think I condone Hamas attacks? 

Methinks you are being baited into saying the wrong thing.

21 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Do you believe what Israel says? 

Give a source as that's not what I'm reading. 

And why are you defending atrocities? 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/26/at-least-20-palestinians-killed-as-air-strikes-hit-rafah/

 

Given that the so called "safe area" is probably packed with thousands of displaced persons with no room for more, it is hardly surprising that some have to stay outside the "zone". They probably had to move from another "safe" area because it was getting bombed. All of Rafah was supposed to be a safe zone.

 

Going by their disgusting excuse, if I deliberately ran over anyone that was crossing the road other than on a pedestrian crossing, I'd be innocent of murder.

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that the so called "safe area" is probably packed with thousands of displaced persons with no room for more, it is hardly surprising that some have to stay outside the "zone". They probably had to move from another "safe" area because it was getting bombed. All of Rafah was supposed to be a safe zone.

 

Going by their disgusting excuse, if I deliberately ran over anyone that was crossing the road other than on a pedestrian crossing, I'd be innocent of murder.

All of Rafah was supposed to be a safe zone

 

Hamas disagrees with you. It placed a few of its battalions there and started to fire rockets into Israel. 50 tunnels discovered by the IDF that led directly into Egypt. 

On 5/29/2024 at 3:28 AM, Hawaiian said:

Israel says these civilians were OUTSIDE of the safe or humanitarian area.  Others sources also report that, too.

Still waiting for these sources. 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Going by their disgusting excuse, if I deliberately ran over anyone that was crossing the road other than on a pedestrian crossing, I'd be innocent of murder.

That's it, 'excuses'. It's disturbing when even the Whitehouse are making excuses for the Ethnic Cleansing. 

 

Just read this -  disgusting. 

Nikki Haley writes 'finish them' on IDF shell during Israel visit

The former US presidential candidate penned the message days after Israel began strikes in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, where more than a million displaced Palestinians are sheltering.

https://news.sky.com/story/nikki-haley-writes-finish-them-on-idf-shell-during-israel-visit-13145178