Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Pity Starmer didn't invite the war criminal to meet him in London before changing the policy, and send a cohort of cops to arrest him on arrival, for delivery to the ICC.

You really have no idea what's going on do you. There  are no arrest warrants the only arrest warrant is something you made up in your own mind.

 

Its not even certain the ICC has jurisdiction in the case yet, let alone issue warrants for Hamas or Bibi.

 

The International Criminal court has accepted the requests of 70 states, organizations and individuals to file amicus briefs regarding ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan’s decision to seek arrest warrants for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, and three Hamas leaders

 

There's a topic on it here:

ICC Accepts Numerous Briefs Delaying Arrest Warrants For Hamas & Israeli Leaders

Seventy parties have been granted permission to submit briefs, many disputing the ICC’s jurisdiction over Israeli nationals and its authority to issue arrest warrants. This situation highlights ongoing debates about the court's jurisdiction and the admissibility of the case, which could ultimately lead to a rejection of the warrants.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1333839-icc-accepts-numerous-briefs-delaying-arrest-warrants-for-hamas-israeli-leaders/

 

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An inflamatory personal attack post has been removed.  @Neeranam

[Jeff the Chef]

If Netanyahu and Gallant are innocent why are they not willing to go before the I.C.C. to prove their innocents?

 

Focus: Crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court that are alleged to have been committed in the Situation since 13 June 2014, the date to which reference is made in the Referral of the Situation to the Office of the Prosecutor.

 

On 3 March 2021, the Prosecutor announced the opening of the investigation into the Situation in the State of Palestine. This followed Pre-Trial Chamber I's decision on 5 February 2021 that the Court could exercise its criminal jurisdiction in the Situation and, by majority, that the territorial scope of this jurisdiction extends to Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. 

 

Pre-Trial Chamber I

Judge Iulia Motoc (Presiding Judge)
Judge Reine Alapini-Gansou
Judge Nicolas Guillou

 

https://www.icc-cpi.int/palestine

[coolcarer]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

If Netanyahu and Gallant are innocent why are they not willing to go before the I.C.C. to prove their innocents?

 

Focus: Crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court that are alleged to have been committed in the Situation since 13 June 2014, the date to which reference is made in the Referral of the Situation to the Office of the Prosecutor.

 

On 3 March 2021, the Prosecutor announced the opening of the investigation into the Situation in the State of Palestine. This followed Pre-Trial Chamber I's decision on 5 February 2021 that the Court could exercise its criminal jurisdiction in the Situation and, by majority, that the territorial scope of this jurisdiction extends to Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. 

 

Pre-Trial Chamber I

Judge Iulia Motoc (Presiding Judge)
Judge Reine Alapini-Gansou
Judge Nicolas Guillou

 

https://www.icc-cpi.int/palestine

Why would they turn up at The Hague when all the prosecutor did was voice some allegations with no arrest warrants and no ICC judge has officially examined those allegations to issue an arrest warrant in the first place?

[Jeff the Chef]

35 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Why would they turn up at The Hague when all the prosecutor did was voice some allegations with no arrest warrants and no ICC judge has officially examined those allegations to issue an arrest warrant in the first place?

 

The answer was in my question, but as expected, all you ever get is another question, in reply.

[coolcarer]

15 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

The answer was in my question, but as expected, all you ever get is another question, in reply.

Got it. You don't want questions you think they should just turn up even though no arrest warrants have been issued. Lol 

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Off topic unapproved video removed. 

 

 

Latest developments and discussion of events in the Israel-Hamas War. Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source.

 

There is a new topic on the latest ICC here.

 

ICC Accepts Numerous Briefs Delaying Arrest Warrants For Hamas & Israeli Leaders

 

[Bkk Brian]

IDF still keeping busy.

 

Operational Activity Continues in Gaza:

 

📍Khan Yunis: 
IDF troops eliminated approx. 100 terrorists, including 7 terrorist cells who fired mortars toward IDF troops during combat in the area.

 

📍Rafah:
The IAF struck and eliminated several terrorists who were identified operating in the area. Troops also located tunnel shafts and weapons, including long-range rocket launchers and explosives in the area of Tel as Sultan.

 

Additionally, the IAF struck approximately 45 terrorist targets, including terrorist cells, tunnel shafts, military structures, and 2 launch pits used to fire toward southern Israel during the war.

 

https://x.com/IDF/status/1816736583019540560

[thaibeachlovers]

However, it's not all israel's way. A rocket attack on the illegally occupied Golan Heights killed some israelis and wounded more.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-hezbollah-fire-exchange-kills-3-militants-injures-112332862

 

Seems that israelis consider israeli children more important than Palestinian children though, given the response, which is IMO ironic as they have killed thousands of children in Gaza.

 

Looks like it's all falling apart for the US druthers, as the slide to a regional war continues. It's not going to look good for the election if US troops have been committed to yet another M E war.

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

However, it's not all israel's way. A rocket attack on the illegally occupied Golan Heights killed some israelis and wounded more.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-hezbollah-fire-exchange-kills-3-militants-injures-112332862

 

Seems that israelis consider israeli children more important than Palestinian children though, given the response, which is IMO ironic as they have killed thousands of children in Gaza.

 

Looks like it's all falling apart for the US druthers, as the slide to a regional war continues. It's not going to look good for the election if US troops have been committed to yet another M E war.

Seems that israelis consider israeli children more important than Palestinian children though

 

The strike was on a football field of a Druze village. Most do not have Israeli citizenship although they could if they wanted, they were offered it by Israel. Most retained an allegiance to Syria. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c29dydz84ngo

[Neeranam]

On 7/28/2024 at 7:32 AM, Bkk Brian said:

Most do not have Israeli citizenship although they could if they wanted, they were offered it by Israel.

  

Why would they want it?

 

This is Syrian territory.

 

The international community, with the exception of Israel and the United States, considers the Golan Heights to be Syrian territory held by Israel under military occupation.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_the_Golan_Heights#:~:text=The Golan Heights are a,by Israel under military occupation.

[Neeranam]

On 7/28/2024 at 3:35 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

However, it's not all israel's way. A rocket attack on the illegally occupied Golan Heights killed some israelis and wounded more.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-hezbollah-fire-exchange-kills-3-militants-injures-112332862

 

Seems that israelis consider israeli children more important than Palestinian children though, given the response, which is IMO ironic as they have killed thousands of children in Gaza.

 

Looks like it's all falling apart for the US druthers, as the slide to a regional war continues. It's not going to look good for the election if US troops have been committed to yet another M E war.

Are you sure they were Israelis?

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Are you sure they were Israelis?

I see you stated above it belongs to Syria. 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

  

Why would they want it?

 

This is Syrian territory.

 

The international community, with the exception of Israel and the United States, considers the Golan Heights to be Syrian territory held by Israel under military occupation.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_the_Golan_Heights#:~:text=The Golan Heights are a,by Israel under military occupation.

I never claimed they did want it. lol

 

The topics here anyway.

Rocket Strike Killing 12 Children & Teens puts Israel and Hezbollah on brink of all-out war

https://aseannow.com/topic/1334051-rocket-strike-killing-12-children-teens-puts-israel-and-hezbollah-on-brink-of-all-out-war/

 

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I never claimed they did want it. lol

 

The topics here anyway.

Rocket Strike Killing 12 Children & Teens puts Israel and Hezbollah on brink of all-out war

https://aseannow.com/topic/1334051-rocket-strike-killing-12-children-teens-puts-israel-and-hezbollah-on-brink-of-all-out-war/

 

I never said you did. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Neeranam said:

I never said you did. 

That's that sorted then 

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Off topic trolling post removed consisting of repetitive references to false claims that the war started before 7th Oct @Neeranam

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Are you sure they were Israelis?

They were on the israeli side of the wire and netanyahu is making noises that would be appropriate for israelis. They may not be actual citizens, but IMO netanyahu wants a wider war, and any excuse will do.

[Bkk Brian]

Result!

 

Iran says Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in Tehran

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran’s paramilitary Revolutionary Guard said Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in Tehran.

The statement gave no details on how Haniyeh was killed. State TV reported on his death early Wednesday.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-hamas-israel-30968a7acb31cd8b259de9650014b779

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12 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Result!

 

Iran says Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in Tehran

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran’s paramilitary Revolutionary Guard said Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in Tehran.

The statement gave no details on how Haniyeh was killed. State TV reported on his death early Wednesday.

https://apnews.com/article/iran-hamas-israel-30968a7acb31cd8b259de9650014b779

Killing a truce negotiator is a surefire way to demonstrate Netanyahu's desire for peace.

 

Who was Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas political leader killed in Tehran?

As Hamas’s political leader, he was a key interlocutor with international mediators during stalled hostage and ceasefire talks between Israel and Hamas, following the group’s October 7 attack on Israel.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/31/middleeast/ismail-haniyeh-death-hamas-profile-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[Patong2021]

On 7/26/2024 at 10:58 PM, Jeff the Chef said:

If Netanyahu and Gallant are innocent why are they not willing to go before the I.C.C. to prove their innocents?

 

Focus: Crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court that are alleged to have been committed in the Situation since 13 June 2014, the date to which reference is made in the Referral of the Situation to the Office of the Prosecutor.

 

On 3 March 2021, the Prosecutor announced the opening of the investigation into the Situation in the State of Palestine. This followed Pre-Trial Chamber I's decision on 5 February 2021 that the Court could exercise its criminal jurisdiction in the Situation and, by majority, that the territorial scope of this jurisdiction extends to Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. 

 

Pre-Trial Chamber I

Judge Iulia Motoc (Presiding Judge)
Judge Reine Alapini-Gansou
Judge Nicolas Guillou

 

https://www.icc-cpi.int/palestine

If Netanyahu and Gallant are innocent why are they not willing to go before the I.C.C. to prove their innocents?

The obligation is upon the accuser to prove the allegation. Your position is one of a presumption of guilt. That is how it works in Iran, North Korea, Yemen and a few other despot states. You would not accept if you were accused of a crime and then told to prove that you are not. Why then do you expect that you can demand it of others?

 

[coolcarer]

 

Another 150 Hamas down.

 

 

The IDF's 98th Division has withdrawn from southern Gaza's Khan Younis after operating there for just over a week, the military says.
Amid the operation, the IDF says that troops with the division killed over 150 terror operative. The division also demolished tunnels and other sites used by Hamas, and recovered the bodies of five hostages.
Meanwhile, a prominent Hamas commander responsible for anti-tank fire in the terror group's Nuseirat Battalion was killed in a drone strike, the IDF says.
Additionally, reservists with the 252nd Division operating in the Netzarim Corridor area killed several gunmen during raids on Hamas sites, the military adds.

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1818210456516882526

 

[Patong2021]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Killing a truce negotiator is a surefire way to demonstrate Netanyahu's desire for peace.

 

Who was Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas political leader killed in Tehran?

As Hamas’s political leader, he was a key interlocutor with international mediators during stalled hostage and ceasefire talks between Israel and Hamas, following the group’s October 7 attack on Israel.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/31/middleeast/ismail-haniyeh-death-hamas-profile-intl-hnk/index.html

 

 

He was not negotiating for peace. He was representing Hamas. There was no intent from Hamas to negotiate peace. Multiple ceasefire/truce agreements had been presented and agreed upon in principle, but then always refused by Hamas. As an integral party to the attack of October 7 and the  breaking of the truce that had in place, he had no credibility.  He was a dead man walking.

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8 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

He was not negotiating for peace. He was representing Hamas. There was no intent from Hamas to negotiate peace. Multiple ceasefire/truce agreements had been presented and agreed upon in principle, but then always refused by Hamas. As an integral party to the attack of October 7 and the  breaking of the truce that had in place, he had no credibility.  He was a dead man walking.

Thanks for the mindreading comments.

[Nick Carter icp]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Killing a truce negotiator is a surefire way to demonstrate Netanyahu's desire for peace.

 

Who was Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas political leader killed in Tehran?

As Hamas’s political leader, he was a key interlocutor with international mediators during stalled hostage and ceasefire talks between Israel and Hamas, following the group’s October 7 attack on Israel.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/31/middleeast/ismail-haniyeh-death-hamas-profile-intl-hnk/index.html

 

 

   If he tried a bit harder for a negotiate settlement ,  then maybe he wouldn't have been killed ?

   Haniyeh was part of a murderous war criminal gang and Israel wanted him dead , rather than talk to him 

[coolcarer]

9 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

He was not negotiating for peace. He was representing Hamas. There was no intent from Hamas to negotiate peace. Multiple ceasefire/truce agreements had been presented and agreed upon in principle, but then always refused by Hamas. As an integral party to the attack of October 7 and the  breaking of the truce that had in place, he had no credibility.  He was a dead man walking.

As Blinken said. Sinwar is the one who calls the shots, not the leaders in Qatar who are doing his bidding.

[Yagoda]

Israel has demonstrated to the Mad Mullahs that they can attack anytime, and anyplace, even in Tehran.

 

Guess its up to the Mullahs to decide they want their terror regime to die a natural death, or an unnatural one

[Patong2021]

44 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Israel has demonstrated to the Mad Mullahs that they can attack anytime, and anyplace, even in Tehran.

 

Guess its up to the Mullahs to decide they want their terror regime to die a natural death, or an unnatural one

 

Spare a kind thought for the Iranians who most likely assisted the Israeli agents. A large number of Iranians are not supporters of the religious regime. As we can see from the Iranians who have fled Iran for the west, they are often educated and secular, and  have no use for Hamas, Hezbollah and other radical groups. I anticipate that the Iranians will be  torturing and killing many Iranian dissidents in the weeks to come.

[Evil Penevil]

On 7/24/2024 at 10:20 AM, Neeranam said:

I ask again -  how many are cheering in the video you posted?

I don't hear any cheering, just one woman wailing.

 

It's impossible to say exactly how many women's voices are heard. but it is more than one.The women in the video aren't wailing or screaming.  They were trilling, also called ululation.  It's a traditional Arabic vocalization used to express celebration in many situations, from weddings to the parading of hostages.  It has the equivalent function of cheering (Yay! Hooray!) or clapping approval/appreciation in Western countries.

 

The video clip below is  an illustration of trilling.  Other than by type example, it is not related to Palestinian celebrations on  Oct. 7

 Link to the video clip:  https://youtu.be/Md7OvU5JIcI?si=kEo_VUqJK5ocpfNg

 

Here's a better example of Gazans cheering the taking of hostages on Oct. 7:

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

If Netanyahu and Gallant are innocent why are they not willing to go before the I.C.C. to prove their innocents?

The obligation is upon the accuser to prove the allegation. Your position is one of a presumption of guilt. That is how it works in Iran, North Korea, Yemen and a few other despot states. You would not accept if you were accused of a crime and then told to prove that you are not. Why then do you expect that you can demand it of others?

 

Once the arrest warrant has been issued for netanyahu, do you agree that he should front up at the ICC if he is innocent of the charges?