3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I have REPEATEDLY called for a CEASEFIRE, which would include the release/exchange of hostages/prisoners. I'm sure there would be other conditions, and a "surrender" could mean many things. If "surrender" just means a ceasefire, I think could be worked out. But if "surrender" means all Hamas would be taken into custody by the IDF, that would be more difficult. And, would that only mean the leaders or every fighter? 

Also the war will not end until the two sides (hopefully after getting rid of their current leadership) sit down and work out an agreement as to how this land will be divided up (two-state solution).

Calling for a ceasefire without the terrorists being apprehended would give a green light for these evil terrorists to repeat 7/10, and Israel should not and I suspect will not fall into that trap, Hamas are really in no position to decide how this war ends. It would benefit the Gazans themselves to rid their state of these monsters, but judging by all accounts they don't want that to happen and is this a price worth paying, 'I hate Israel so much I will blow myself up to prove it, yeah, that'll show em.'

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why do you think they should exchange prisoners for the hostages? All ethical positions are that they should be released immediately with no conditions set don't you agree? Its only Hamas the terrorists who have that stance. The fact that Israel is will to make concessions is irrelevant.

I included the exchange of prisoners in my suggestion because that condition was included in the first couple of proposals from both Israel and Hamas that have been turned down. "Prisoners," from what I understand, include both Palestinians who have been arrested and held without a trial or conviction by Israel and soldiers (POWs) on each side. 

Yes, I think hostages should never have been taken and should be released with no conditions, but I know that is not what Hamas will do. They will use them as bargaining chips in negotiation. Israelis will use their military might and whatever prisoners they have as bargaining chips. I wouldn't say I like any of this, but this is the process that will have to be done.

Just now, WDSmart said:

I included the exchange of prisoners in my suggestion because that condition was included in the first couple of proposals from both Israel and Hamas that have been turned down. "Prisoners," from what I understand, include both Palestinians who have been arrested and held without a trial or conviction by Israel and soldiers (POWs) on each side. 

Yes, I think hostages should never have been taken and should be released with no conditions, but I know that is not what Hamas will do. They will use them as bargaining chips in negotiation. Israelis will use their military might and whatever prisoners they have as bargaining chips. I wouldn't say I like any of this, but this is the process that will have to be done.

Yes, I think hostages should never have been taken and should be released with no conditions, but I know that is not what Hamas will do.

 

Exactly and why there is still a war going on because of Hamas. They have broken hostage deals already and are constantly making delusional demands. 

UNWRA must be feeling very proud of one of its ex teachers career progression.

 

 

 

Hamas terror chief Haniyeh was an Unwra teacher, reveals former UN official

Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh worked as a teacher for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (Unwra), former official at the agency Ahmad Oueidat revealed in an interview with the London-based Al-Hiwar TV channel last week.

In footage translated by Memri (The Middle East Media Research Institute), Oueidat says: “First and foremost, we can mention Ismail Haniyeh, who was an Unwra teacher, and so was Dr. Talal Naji, Secretary-General of the PFLP-GC [People’s Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which pioneered hijackings in the 1660s and 1970s].”

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terror-chief-haniyeh-was-an-unwra-teacher-reveals-former-un-official-nvlqbb16

 

 

16 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

 

- The land that Hamas invaded on Oct 7 was their land in the 1948 UN map. Israel had "forcible[ly] sized" it since then.
 

 

   It wasn't , the land Palestinians   seized on Oct 7 th was Israel proper land .

The land which Hamas seized on Oct 7 th which was between Gaza and the West Bank is Israel proper , even in the U.N 1948 map it shows it as Israel proper land .

   It is Israeli land which Palestineians  forcible seized from Israel 

   

20 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Calling for a ceasefire without the terrorists being apprehended would give a green light for these evil terrorists to repeat 7/10, and Israel should not and I suspect will not fall into that trap, Hamas are really in no position to decide how this war ends. It would benefit the Gazans themselves to rid their state of these monsters, but judging by all accounts they don't want that to happen and is this a price worth paying, 'I hate Israel so much I will blow myself up to prove it, yeah, that'll show em.'

 

   It is also worth pointing out that the orchestrator of this Hamas attack was a Palestinian who was jailed in Israel for six murders , he got a 22 year jail sentence for those 6 murders .

   He was freed by Israel in a previous prisoner/hostage exchange in 2011 and he went on to lead the Oct 7 th attack on Israel

47 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I agree but I have to add that things will remain the same until someone ALSO removes the right-wing, nationalistic leaders of Isreal (I can't use their names). They have the same motives, goals, and use the same tactics as Hamas. 

They're not calling for eradication and elimination of the Palestinian nation, only the terrorists, sent by other nations,

any government that will rule Israel will do pretty much the same to protect and safe guard Israel from a

destruction as Israel is now fighting on several fronts, some bordering it and some far away , and there're

and no matter no what government will rule Israel, there's always be those who don't want Jews/Israel in this world...

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

I agree but I have to add that things will remain the same until someone ALSO removes the right-wing, nationalistic leaders of Isreal (I can't use their names). They have the same motives, goals, and use the same tactics as Hamas. 

 

  That isnt true .

Hamas are holding a one year old Israeli baby as a hostage and making demands to return the baby to its parents .

   Israel are not holding any baby hostages or making demands for that babies return .

That is just one different tactic between Israel and Hamas 

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

I agree but I have to add that things will remain the same until someone ALSO removes the right-wing, nationalistic leaders of Isreal (I can't use their names). They have the same motives, goals, and use the same tactics as Hamas. 

 

   Stop being such a drama Queen , you can use the persons proper name or their affiliated  political party , you just need to stop calling them Zionists and/or Terrorists 🙂

50 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   It wasn't , the land Palestinians   seized on Oct 7 th was Israel proper land .

The land which Hamas seized on Oct 7 th which was between Gaza and the West Bank is Israel proper , even in the U.N 1948 map it shows it as Israel proper land .

   It is Israeli land which Palestineians  forcible seized from Israel 

   

I'm tired of trying to post maps of Israel just to have them removed. I've done this many times in the past. If you really want to see how much land Israel has taken from the Palestinians, just search for "map Israel 1948" and then "map Israel 2023" and you'll see for yourself.

38 minutes ago, ezzra said:

They're not calling for eradication and elimination of the Palestinian nation, only the terrorists, sent by other nations,

any government that will rule Israel will do pretty much the same to protect and safe guard Israel from a

destruction as Israel is now fighting on several fronts, some bordering it and some far away , and there're

and no matter no what government will rule Israel, there's always be those who don't want Jews/Israel in this world...

"They," the radical, right-wing faction of which Netanyahu's government is a member, do want the eradication and elimination of the Palestine nation so Israel can totally occupy what it thinks is its literally God-given right to own.

There will always be those who want Israel to share (or divide up) this land with the Palestinians who were living there before the state of Israel was created. 

Just now, WDSmart said:

I'm tired of trying to post maps of Israel just to have them removed. I've done this many times in the past. If you really want to see how much land Israel has taken from the Palestinians, just search for "map Israel 1948" and then "map Israel 2023" and you'll see for yourself.

 

   If you have posted so many maps of Israel, then you should know that the land between Gaza and the West bank, the land that Hamas forcibly seized on October 7 th is Israel proper and was bestowed to Israel in 1948 . 

   You are being deceptive by making an excuse that you cannot post maps , because the maps would show that it is Israel proper land that Hamas seized 

   

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  That isnt true .

Hamas are holding a one year old Israeli baby as a hostage and making demands to return the baby to its parents .

   Israel are not holding any baby hostages or making demands for that babies return .

That is just one different tactic between Israel and Hamas 

Yes, holding one-year-olds as hostages is a tactic of Hamas. Indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas are a tactic of Israel. Which is worse? Which causes the most destruction and loss of life? 

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  That isnt true .

Hamas are holding a one year old Israeli baby as a hostage and making demands to return the baby to its parents .

   Israel are not holding any baby hostages or making demands for that babies return .

That is just one different tactic between Israel and Hamas 

 

Meanwhile, there are hundreds of Palestinian children jailed in Israel. Those kids are normally sentenced arbitrarily in military courts contrary to international law.

 

Hundreds of innocent women are jailed too, some are quite elderly only because they are wives, sisters or even mothers of wanted men. This tactic is employed as a coercive measure, aimed at compelling wanted freedom fighters to surrender.

 

It’s bitterly ironic to talk about one single Israeli baby who is still alive and well when over 13,000 innocent Palestinian children have been brutally killed and thousands more injured or have lost limbs by indiscriminate airstrikes and shelling.

31 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  That isnt true .

Hamas are holding a one year old Israeli baby as a hostage and making demands to return the baby to its parents .

   Israel are not holding any baby hostages or making demands for that babies return .

That is just one different tactic between Israel and Hamas 

Yes, holding one-year-olds as hostages is a tactic of Hamas. Indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas are a tactic of Israel. Which is worse? Which causes the most destruction and loss of life? 

 

Sorry for the duplicate post...

32 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  That isnt true .

Hamas are holding a one year old Israeli baby as a hostage and making demands to return the baby to its parents .

   Israel are not holding any baby hostages or making demands for that babies return .

That is just one different tactic between Israel and Hamas 

Yes, holding one-year-olds as hostages is a tactic of Hamas. Indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas are a tactic of Israel. Which is worse? Which causes the most destruction and loss of life?

 

Sorry for the triplicate post.

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, holding one-year-olds as hostages is a tactic of Hamas. Indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas are a tactic of Israel. Which is worse? Which causes the most destruction and loss of life? 

 

   Which ever anyone  thinks is worse is besides the point , the point is that Israel and Hamas differ on tactics .

   Hamas take babies as hostages and Israel doesn't do that .

Hamas also bombs areas indiscriminately , so no difference there in tactics . 

   

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, holding one-year-olds as hostages is a tactic of Hamas. Indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas are a tactic of Israel. Which is worse? Which causes the most destruction and loss of life?

Oh dear, of course an antisemite who use the word 'indiscriminate', a bloke who also has no idea about tactics of war to win........

 

So, why no harsh words for the detention of kids, and planned murder by Hamas, why....

One-way Street antisemite, that's why....

14 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

Meanwhile, there are hundreds of Palestinian children jailed in Israel. Those kids are normally sentenced arbitrarily in military courts contrary to international law.

 

Hundreds of innocent women are jailed too, some are quite elderly only because they are wives, sisters or even mothers of wanted men. This tactic is employed as a coercive measure, aimed at compelling wanted freedom fighters to surrender.

 

It’s bitterly ironic to talk about one single Israeli baby who is still alive and well when over 13,000 innocent Palestinian children have been brutally killed and thousands more injured or have lost limbs by indiscriminate airstrikes and shelling.

 

 

   Houdini Hamas men are amazing .

Woman and Children killed in Gaza , Woman and Children being held in Israeli jails .

How are Palestinian men able to avoid being jailed or killed ?

   The Hamas Houdini men ?

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

   Houdini Hamas men are amazing .

Woman and Children killed in Gaza , Woman and Children being held in Israeli jails .

How are Palestinian men able to avoid being jailed or killed ?

   The Hamas Houdini men ?

 Quite cunning conclusion. Palestinian men are not spared, and you know it well.

 

There are over 9,000 males in Israeli jails and hundreds are being killed daily in Gaza and the West Bank due to airstrikes or extrajudicial assassinations. 

 

Dozens of Palestinian detainees have 'died' while in detention since 7 October in mysterious circumstances.

Australia resumes funding for UNRWA and pledges more Gaza aid | AP News

 

Israel’s campaign against UNRWA is in tatters. The entire world has woken up to the conspiracy against the plight of Gaza and the malicious attempt to shut down UNRWA.

 

Australia is now following Sweden, Canada and many other countries in resuming UNRWA funding.

 

The Israeli goal was to make life miserable for the war surviving hungry /sick refugees in an effort to drive them out of Gaza.

 

Israel’s plan has failed spectacularly in a matter of weeks.    

45 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, holding one-year-olds as hostages is a tactic of Hamas. Indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas are a tactic of Israel. Which is worse? Which causes the most destruction and loss of life? 

Which one caused the other to happen, actions have consequences!

5 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Australia resumes funding for UNRWA and pledges more Gaza aid | AP News

 

Israel’s campaign against UNRWA is in tatters. The entire world has woken up to the conspiracy against the plight of Gaza and the malicious attempt to shut down UNRWA.

 

Australia is now following Sweden, Canada and many other countries in resuming UNRWA funding.

 

The Israeli goal was to make life miserable for the war surviving hungry /sick refugees in an effort to drive them out of Gaza.

 

Israel’s plan has failed spectacularly in a matter of weeks.    

Its ok, the US has made up for that little hiccup..........

 

Democrats, Republicans united in halting UNRWA funding until 2025 - report

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-democrats-republicans-united-in-halting-unrwa-funding-until-2025-report

 

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, holding one-year-olds as hostages is a tactic of Hamas. Indiscriminate bombings of civilian areas are a tactic of Israel. Which is worse? Which causes the most destruction and loss of life? 

 

Sorry for the duplicate post...

Hamas have been doing that for years with their intentional indiscriminate rocket launches into Israeli territory, its only the billions spent on the Iron dome that has saved so many Israeli civilian lives. 

 

Hamas were once asked why they didn't spend any money on civilian defense but they said its not our job, its the job of the UN to do that. Another example of the zero regard to Gazans that Hamas has aside from using them as human shields and sacrifice.

On 3/20/2024 at 4:51 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Why should Egypt take them? They are not Egyptian. You seem to equate being Arab to being able to be a citizen in any Arab country which is a nonsense.

It's not a question of nationality it's one of humanity. If there's a genocide happening in Gaza, Egypt should open it's border for refugees. Any idea why they are not willing to?

 

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Could you just go and live in another western country as a citizen?

Yes, easily.

 

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It is the israelis that are the illegal immigrants in the West Bank, not the Palestinians.

I'm talking about Gaza, not West Bank.

 

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I repeat, israelis are illegal immigrants in Palestine, not the Palestinians that own the land that israelis are stealing.

To repeat nonsens does not make it more true. There never was a Palestine in history. So called Palestinians are arabs, nothing else.

 

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Just because America used phosphor bombs is no justification for israel doing the same. Even America didn't illegally occupy Iraq for 30 years.

They don't do the same. As far as I know there are no phosphor- and cluster bombs used by the IDF.

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Which ever anyone  thinks is worse is besides the point , the point is that Israel and Hamas differ on tactics .

   Hamas take babies as hostages and Israel doesn't do that .

Hamas also bombs areas indiscriminately , so no difference there in tactics . 

   

Hamas doesn't kill 30,000 civilians. The IDF does, and some of those are babies. 

Gaza death toll: More than 30,000 killed since Israel-Hamas war began, health ministry says | CNN

Just now, WDSmart said:

Hamas doesn't kill 30,000 civilians. The IDF does, and some of those are babies. 

Gaza death toll: More than 30,000 killed since Israel-Hamas war began, health ministry says | CNN

Lies, about time you stopped with the claim that 30k civilians have been killed. 

4 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

It's not a question of nationality it's one of humanity. If there's a genocide happening in Gaza, Egypt should open it's border for refugees. Any idea why they are not willing to?

 

Yes, easily.

 

I'm talking about Gaza, not West Bank.

 

To repeat nonsens does not make it more true. There never was a Palestine in history. So called Palestinians are arabs, nothing else.

 

They don't do the same. As far as I know there are no phosphor- and cluster bombs used by the IDF.

I don't see what's happening in Gaza as literally genocide, and I don't believe that Israel has genocidal intentions towards Arabs as Hamas, etc. has genocidal intentions towards Jews. HOWEVER, there is no doubt that there is a humanitarian disaster happening there. You can share the blame between Hamas who started this current war and uses their own people as human shields and Israel who is trying to crush Hamas and can't avoid the tragic consequences to civilians, but it's still real and horrible whatever you call it. So definitely much more needs to be done to address the suffering in Gaza but it's still not reasonable to demand that Israel surrender to Hamas.

1 hour ago, Danny Australia said:

 Quite cunning conclusion. Palestinian men are not spared, and you know it well.

 

There are over 9,000 males in Israeli jails and hundreds are being killed daily in Gaza and the West Bank due to airstrikes or extrajudicial assassinations. 

 

Dozens of Palestinian detainees have 'died' while in detention since 7 October in mysterious circumstances.

 

   My point was that you lot only seem to go on about woman and children all the time 

1 hour ago, transam said:

Oh dear, of course an antisemite who use the word 'indiscriminate', a bloke who also has no idea about tactics of war to win........

 

So, why no harsh words for the detention of kids, and planned murder by Hamas, why....

One-way Street antisemite, that's why....

I've always referred to the Oct 7 attack as a "terrorist" attack and the indiscriminate (random, not targeting specific buildings or areas) of Gaza as despicable, and I have never defended the taking of hostages by either side or prisoners by either side. You are mistaking my acknowledgment of the reason Hamas and IDF use for doing such things as biased (antisemite). It's not. It's a two-way street, and I see both sides. You and your pro-(censored) cronies are the ones who only see one side of the street.