1 minute ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Where do these numbers come from? The Hamas terrorists? Ahh, I see....

There might be less civilian victims if the terrorists would not use them as human shields.

Or, if the IDF invaders would not kill human shields...

3 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Where do these numbers come from? The Hamas terrorists? Ahh, I see....

There might be less civilian victims if the terrorists would not use them as human shields.

They could even use some of their 100's of kilometers tunnels to protect their own civilians but Hamas said its not there job to protect their own civilians. Yes they much rather use the as human shields

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Or, if the IDF invaders would not kill human shields...

Hamas wants its population killed, it gives them more sympathy votes from the great unwashed.🥴

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

They could even use some of their 100's of kilometers tunnels to protect their own civilians but Hamas said its not there job to protect their own civilians. Yes they much rather use the as human shields

 

Makes sense. Why would Hamas want to protect their own civilians who presumably included their own families?

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Or, if the IDF invaders would not kill human shields...

Right. If those bad bad jews would not try to hunt down Hamas terrorists who slaughtert Ihundreds of sraeli civilians, the poor terrorists would not have to hide behind their own people.

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Or, if the IDF invaders would not kill human shields...

If they need to go after the terrorists which they do as a war goal in response to October 7, how is it possible to avoid human shields? 

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

Makes sense. Why would Hamas want to protect their own civilians who presumably included their own families?

Ask them not me:

 

Top Hamas official declares group is not responsible for defending Gazan civilians

https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-hamas-official-claims-group-is-not-responsible-for-defending-gazan-civilians/

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

If they need to go after the terrorists which they do as a war goal in response to October 7, how is it possible to avoid human shields? 

 

Human shields or not, it's a war crime to kill them. And yes, it's a war crime to use them. The problem here is the pretence that most or all of the civilians killed were being used as human shields.

As far as the narrative of imbalance between Israel and Hamas, it's not as cut and dried as the Israel demonizers paint it.

Hamas through October 7 clearly BAITED Israel in to a massive response knowing that they had

 

A huge tunnel network

That taking so many hostages would complicate things

That they provided no bomb shelters for their civilians (which they could have well afforded as part of their tunnel network)

Using their age old tactic of using civilians as human shields

Knowing there would be large casualties of women and children

Knowing that it would all be on social media and  they and their Tik Tok River to the Sea agents could win a huge global propaganda victory falsely accusing Israel of genocide

 

So yes Israel is winning the military part but Hamas is winning the propaganda part and its arguable that in the long run the propaganda part may be more important.

 

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

Human shields or not, it's a war crime to kill them. And yes, it's a war crime to use them. The problem here is the pretence that most or all of the civilians killed were being used as human shields.

It is a war crime to use human shields!

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Human shields or not, it's a war crime to kill them. And yes, it's a war crime to use them. The problem here is the pretence that most or all of the civilians killed were being used as human shields.

It is not a war crime to go after military targets.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It is not a war crime to go after military targets.

 

It is a war crime to kill human shields under any circumstances.

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

It is a war crime to kill human shields under any circumstances.

Are you deliberately being obtuse.

Well start blaming Hamas for putting them into that position and not Israel that has done everything possible to warn civilians of the future attacks. 

Just now, Wobblybob said:

Are you deliberately being obtuse.

Well start blaming Hamas for putting them into that position and not Israel that has done everything possible to warn civilians of the future attacks. 

 

That Hamas were using human shields was all the more reason to resort to international judicial mechanisms to resolve the problem.

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

It is a war crime to kill human shields under any circumstances.

Sure it is. Officer Krupke!

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

It is a war crime to kill human shields under any circumstances.

Link?

 

Can you also check the lawful killing of civilians under Rule 14 IHL

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

That Hamas were using human shields was all the more reason to resort to international judicial mechanisms to resolve the problem.

Wrong, Israel has been put into a very difficult situation, a sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't. Israel must eliminate all Hamas terrorist and if Hamas use their citizens as shields that is no fault of Israel. The world does not want to see another 7/10.....do you!

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Link?

 

Can you also check the lawful killing of civilians under Rule 14 IHL

 

provide a link. I am not clairvoyant.

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

provide a link. I am not clairvoyant.

Well don't make fabricated posts!

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

provide a link. I am not clairvoyant.

ah, you made a claim, its up to you to prove it not me

 

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

It is a war crime to kill human shields under any circumstances.

 

A flame has been removed

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Sure it is. Officer Krupke!

 

Try to control your anger and stick to justifying your position. I note that a yes or no answer to my most recent question was too much for you.

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Try to control your anger and stick to justifying your position. I note that a yes or no answer to my most recent question was too much for you.

You are the caustic kid that has evaded my question of why you felt the need to use terminology like "sub human" utterly disgusting!

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

ah, you made a claim, its up to you to prove it not me

 

 

 

In November 2023, Cambridge University Professor Marc Weller stated that "The very fact that we have seen 44 [Israeli] soldiers killed in the [Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip] and almost 11,000 [Palestinian] civilians gives an indication that the calculation of proportionality in Gaza has left the bounds of reasonableness.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield_(law)

 

The principle is that it is reasonable to kill human shields to attack military targets if they are attacking. It is not reasonable to kill them just because the targets exist among the human shields.

7 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You are the caustic kid that has evaded my question of why you felt the need to use terminology like "sub human" utterly disgusting!

 

I was referring to Neyanyahu and his cabinet. In case you missed it the first time,. Netanyahu is an animal.

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

In November 2023, Cambridge University Professor Marc Weller stated that "The very fact that we have seen 44 [Israeli] soldiers killed in the [Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip] and almost 11,000 [Palestinian] civilians gives an indication that the calculation of proportionality in Gaza has left the bounds of reasonableness.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield_(law)

 

The principle is that it is reasonable to kill human shields to attack military targets if they are attacking. It is not reasonable to kill them just because the targets exist among the human shields.

That is not a link to this claim stop the nonsense:

 

31 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

It is a war crime to kill human shields under any circumstances.

 

I gave you a hint to do some research on IHL (International Humanitarian Law) and it tells you the circumstances where it is legal to kill civilians in war. If you are going to make a claim at least have a link for it. I am not getting it for you.

Can't wait to see Israel boycotted into oblivion for a decade or two.

F!cking Bibi. Dumbest corrupted idiot in the western world 😄

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That is not a link to this claim stop the nonsense:

 

I gave you a hint to do some research on IHL (International Humanitarian Law) and it tells you the circumstances where it is legal to kill civilians in war. If you are going to make a claim at least have a link for it. I am not getting it for you.

 

The linked article discusses IHL and the issue of human shields.

23 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Wrong, Israel has been put into a very difficult situation, a sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't. Israel must eliminate all Hamas terrorist and if Hamas use their citizens as shields that is no fault of Israel. The world does not want to see another 7/10.....do you!

 

Unfortunately, the reality is quite different, and lots of media outlets (which were traditionally rather Israel-friendly) have covered it, such as in this MSNBC article from last November:

 

Immediately there were signs that Israel viewed its military operation as not just an operation for self-defense, but for inflicting excruciating pain on Gazans. As Netanyahu vowed “mighty vengeance” that would be felt for “generations,” Israel’s defense minister announced a siege, cutting off food, water, fuel, electricity and medicine to the entire Gaza Strip as part of its bid to fight those he called “human animals.” As Israel began aerial bombardment, an IDF spokesman said that “the emphasis is on damage, and not on accuracy,” and Israel’s president insinuated that no Gazan had the rights of a civilian as he bellowed that “it is an entire nation out there that is responsible.”

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/israel-target-civilians-gaza-fetterman-rcna123890

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

The linked article discusses IHL and the issue of human shields.

It does not back your claim