55 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That will never happen, the Palestinians will never accept Israel as a neighbour .

The only chance Israel has of living in peace is the the Palestinians to no longer be there 

80 years of them causing trouble, they need to be evicted as they are problematic neighbours

That is the only solution and hopefully a final solution to the Palestinian problem

That's very extremist and even if that was a good idea, it's never going to happen. But I have no answer. One state solution -- end of Israel. Two state solution -- most Palestinians would see that as a stepping stone to bullding a stronger military to then .... end Israel.

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's very extremist and even if that was a good idea, it's never going to happen. But I have no answer. One state solution -- end of Israel. Two state solution -- most Palestinians would see that as a stepping stone to bullding a stronger military to then .... end Israel.

 

The Israeli solution - a one state solution without Palestinians.

[AOC] doubled down on these comments Sunday, telling Tapper, “I think it is extremely clear and it is extremely important that all people understand the difference between people and their governments, Israelis and the Israeli government, Palestinians from Hamas.” 

 

“But what we are seeing here, I think, with a forced famine, is beyond our ability to deny or explain away. There is no targeting of Hamas in precipitating a mass famine of a million people, half of whom are children,” she continued. 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/4552889-ocasio-cortez-defends-accusing-israel-of-genocide-i-believe-we-have-crossed-the-threshold-of-intent/

 

 

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

The Israeli solution - a one state solution without Palestinians.

So says you who is obsessed with demonizing Israel while ignoring the genocidal intentions of Hamas.

Senator John Fetterman

Israel has the right to prosecute Hamas to surrender or to be eliminated. Hamas owns every innocent death for their cowardice hiding behind Palestinian lives.

Sabri Saidam, a senior Fatah official, told me that the resignation of the government was designed to "open up the floor" to other factions - like Hamas - and give them "the space to reconsider their political stance, and their obligations in the future - and also their role, given the changes that have happened since 7 October".

 

"We have been talking to Hamas indirectly," he said. "We have restated the importance of adhering to the […] two-state solution," referring to the idea that Israelis and Palestinians could live side-by-side in separate countries.

 

"And we have received positive signs."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68636033

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

So says you who is obsessed with demonizing Israel while ignoring the genocidal intentions of Hamas.

 

Stop being dishonest.

Hamas lashes out at Abbas's 'unilateral' designation of new PM

Hamas on Friday criticized the "unilateral" designation by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas of an ally and leading business figure as prime minister with a mandate to help reform the Palestinian Authority (PA) and rebuild Gaza.

Mohammad Mustafa's appointment comes after mounting pressure to overhaul the governing body of the occupied Palestinian territories and improve governance in the occupied West Bank where it is based.

Hamas said the decision was taken without consulting it despite recently taking part in a meeting in Moscow also attended by Abbas's Fatah movement to end long-time divisions weakening Palestinian political aspirations.

https://www.newarab.com/news/hamas-lashes-out-mohammad-mustafa-designation-new-pm

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Senator John Fetterman

Israel has the right to prosecute Hamas to surrender or to be eliminated. Hamas owns every innocent death for their cowardice hiding behind Palestinian lives.

Love that guy. He's really pissing off the ignorant "River to the Sea" so called progressives.

23 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Love that guy. He's really pissing off the ignorant "River to the Sea" so called progressives.

 

Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” Israeli Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu, from the far-right Jewish Power party, suggested that Israel drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza and said there were “no uninvolved civilians” in the territory.

 

Lawyer Sfard appealed to the country’s attorney general earlier this month on behalf of a group of prominent Israeli figures, demanding to know why the rhetoric hasn’t been reined in.

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-south-africa-genocide-hate-speech-97a9e4a84a3a6bebeddfb80f8a030724

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” Israeli Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu, from the far-right Jewish Power party, suggested that Israel drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza and said there were “no uninvolved civilians” in the territory.

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-south-africa-genocide-hate-speech-97a9e4a84a3a6bebeddfb80f8a030724

Cherry picking extremist quotes. Sleazy posting tactic. 

When it's Russia it's a uproar and sanctions imposed by the bully USA. But when it's a war crimes and a open genocide towards women and children in Gaza, nothing. When will the sanctions against Israel arrive ? Hamas are terrorists who are no better.

12 minutes ago, Sigmund said:

When it's Russia it's a uproar and sanctions imposed by the bully USA. But when it's a war crimes and a open genocide towards women and children in Gaza, nothing. When will the sanctions against Israel arrive ? Hamas are terrorists who are no better.

 

  Because there are no war crimes happening and there isn't a genocide against woman and children .

You shouldnt believe all the pro Palestinian false propaganda .

   Israel is fighting back against terrorists , the USA supports the fight against terrorists 

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

If they need to go after the terrorists which they do as a war goal in response to October 7, how is it possible to avoid human shields? 

By reaching an agreement about how to end this war...

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

As far as the narrative of imbalance between Israel and Hamas, it's not as cut and dried as the Israel demonizers paint it.

Hamas through October 7 clearly BAITED Israel in to a massive response knowing that they had

 

A huge tunnel network

That taking so many hostages would complicate things

That they provided no bomb shelters for their civilians (which they could have well afforded as part of their tunnel network)

Using their age old tactic of using civilians as human shields

Knowing there would be large casualties of women and children

Knowing that it would all be on social media and  they and their Tik Tok River to the Sea agents could win a huge global propaganda victory falsely accusing Israel of genocide

 

So yes Israel is winning the military part but Hamas is winning the propaganda part and its arguable that in the long run the propaganda part may be more important.

 

For a change, I agree with everything you said above, except for the "falsely" adverb in the last point...

12 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

Are you deliberately being obtuse.

Well start blaming Hamas for putting them into that position and not Israel that has done everything possible to warn civilians of the future attacks. 

That's a bad argument. If you accepted that line of reasoning, you could blame Israel for the Oct 7 attack by saying they shouldn't have allowed an open-air concert so close to the border with Gaza. 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

That's a bad argument. If you accepted that line of reasoning, you could blame Israel for the Oct 7 attack by saying they shouldn't have allowed an open-air concert so close to the border with Gaza. 

 

   The October 6 th festival attendees were not being used as human shields and there was no war at the time and the terror attack was unexpected .

   There are no similarities between the festival attendees and Hamas's human shields  .

Although with hindsight, it wasn't a good idea to have a festival so close to Gaza

12 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

You will never get a truthful answer from somebody so full of hatred for Israel.

No, you (Wobblybob) will never accept an answer as being truthful if it comes from someone you think hates Israel.

11 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

Every country stands behind it's military in time of war. During the Vietnam war I was vehemently against our participation but stood ready to do my duty if I got drafted.

 

edit: I came from a proud military family.

I did not support my country's (USA) military during the Vietnam War. I would have refused to go if I had been drafted.

 

In meantime while this kindergarden of world politics wannabees, innocent people, innocent children starving, bombed, injured, dying, die, and the world continue to watch because a few countries have veto in UN Safety Council.

 

There is no humanity left if this continues! Kindergarden politics at its best

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Exactly. 

They need to win to survive as a nation. 

A country like the US can afford to lose wars.

Israel loses one and its over.

I agree they cannot LOSE this war, but they do not have to WIN it. They could sit down with Hamas and work out all the ceasefire/hostages/prisoners issues and then move on to creating a two-state solution. 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I agree they cannot LOSE this war, but they do not have to WIN it. They could sit down with Hamas and work out all the ceasefire/hostages/prisoners issues and then move on to creating a two-state solution. 

 

   And Then they would all live happily ever after with the Palestinians and Israelis enjoying each others company and having a cup of lemon tea over the open border between the two .

   Yep, all live happily ever after 

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Maybe the poster wants to stay on topic and adheres to the request to stop giving history lessons ?

Do you consider the continual citing of the events of Oct 7 also a "history lesson"? This conflict, of which this "war" is just the latest episode, has been going on for at least 80 years.

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That will never happen, the Palestinians will never accept Israel as a neighbour .

The only chance Israel has of living in peace is the the Palestinians to no longer be there 

80 years of them causing trouble, they need to be evicted as they are problematic neighbours

That is the only solution and hopefully a final solution to the Palestinian problem

I', sad to say that everything you've said above seems to be true, but if you trade around the terms "Palestine" and "Israel," I'm also sad to say that seems to be true, too.

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Do you consider the continual citing of the events of Oct 7 also a "history lesson"? This conflict, of which this "war" is just the latest episode, has been going on for at least 80 years.

 

   OMG really ?

Why hasn't this been previously been mentioned ?

I will contact Reuters and tell them about this news , this breaking news could be World headlines tomorrow .

   Stop Press : This isnt the first Israeli/Arab war 

The World needs to know about this breaking news 

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I', sad to say that everything you've said above seems to be true, but if you trade around the terms "Palestine" and "Israel," I'm also sad to say that seems to be true, too.

 

   Israel would have accepted a Palestinian state .

I doubt that they will now though, not after the last terror attack 

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   OMG really ?

Why hasn't this been previously been mentioned ?

I will contact Reuters and tell them about this news , this breaking news could be World headlines tomorrow .

   Stop Press : This isnt the first Israeli/Arab war 

The World needs to know about this breaking news 

No need to contact any of the news media. They all know this. It's just some on this topic that think all this began on Oct 7, 2023.

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel would have accepted a Palestinian state .

I doubt that they will now though, not after the last terror attack 

They have never accepted a Palestinian state. At least they have been seizing parts of it continually over the past 70 years.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

No need to contact any of the news media. They all know this. It's just some on this topic that think all this began on Oct 7, 2023.

 

   No, no one thinks that the conflict began on Oct 7 th 

You are wrong about that .

You seem to be stuck on the very basics .

For the umpteenth time .

This war began on October 7 th and there were pervious conflicts before that .

Why cant you understand that ?

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

They have never accepted a Palestinian state. At least they have been seizing parts of it continually over the past 70 years.

 

   Israel did accept a Palestinian  state .

Israel agreed to a Palestinian  state in 1948 , Palestinians  rejected it 

Again , you are stuck on the basics