15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What you're doing basically is creating toxic Jew hating pro Hamas propaganda.

 

 

How can anyone in their right mind say otherwise?

You are paranoid or have persecution complex. 

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I don't even know what you're talking about. You accused me of forgetting about the hostages. I was responding that I haven't forgotten about them, and I've heard on CNN that they are part of a new proposal. 

I don't even know what you're talking about.

 

whatever

16 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You'd believe in fairies at the bottom of your garden if it meant you could blame Israel. Even your own link agreed this war started on 7/10. Stop being so disingenuous!

This conflict did NOT start on Oct 7, 2023! You can call that the start of a new "war," or you can, as I prefer, call that just the continuation of an 80-year-old war. It's a war to gain control of all the land in question. 

Just now, WDSmart said:

This conflict did NOT start on Oct 7, 2023! You can call that the start of a new "war," or you can, as I prefer, call that just the continuation of an 80-year-old war. It's a war to gain control of all the land in question. 

Here we go, round and round and round.................

Just now, rattlesnake said:

 

Your position is intenable.

That makes no sense, only a court can decide once all evidence is reviewed. Fact

 

Whistleblower from Human Rights Watch: “HRW has so little credibility for most Israelis they do not even trust it with their corpses“

When I joined Human Rights Watch over 13 years ago as senior editor, I did so with years of experience in journalism covering the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and time in academia.

But as the organization grew and its composition shifted, so too did the focus, tone, and framing of its Israel-Palestine work. Following the Hamas massacres in Israel on October 7, years of institutional creep culminated in organizational responses that shattered professionalism, abandoned principles of accuracy and fairness, and surrendered its duty to stand for the human rights of all.

https://unwatch.org/whistleblower-from-human-rights-watch-hrw-has-so-little-credibility-for-most-israelis-they-do-not-even-trust-it-with-their-corpses/

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Here we go, round and round and round.................

Yes! That's exactly what this is. That's exactly what Oct 7 was and now the IDF in Gaza are - Israel and Palestine just going around and around... 

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

Yes! That's exactly what this is. That's exactly what Oct 7 was and now the IDF in Gaza are - Israel and Palestine just going around and around... 

On this thread it is just you, you still don't understand why Gaza has been invaded.........

 

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes! That's exactly what this is. That's exactly what Oct 7 was and now the IDF in Gaza are - Israel and Palestine just going around and around... 

No, Oct 7th was the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. Israel will not let this happen again. You are dreaming

6 minutes ago, transam said:

On this thread it is just you, you still don't understand why Gaza has been invaded.........

 

And, to go around and around again, of course I know why Gaza has been invaded. It's primarily revenge for the Oct 7 attack, and also part of a longer-term effort to gain control of all the land in question.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No, Oct 7th was the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. Israel will not let this happen again. You are dreaming

Well, I don't know about the numbers and how they compare with other massacres of Jews, but I will say that the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza also has to rank up there as one of the worst massacres. 

16 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

This conflict did NOT start on Oct 7, 2023! You can call that the start of a new "war," or you can, as I prefer, call that just the continuation of an 80-year-old war. It's a war to gain control of all the land in question. 

Your preferences are of no interest to right minded posters. 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Well, I don't know about the numbers and how they compare with other massacres of Jews, but I will say that the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza also has to rank up there as one of the worst massacres. 

Well, I don't know about the numbers and how they compare with other massacres of Jews

 

The Jews do, that's why they will not let this happen again, no circles here

 

 It was the worst atrocity committed against the Jewish people in a single day since the Holocaust

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/01/26/statement-from-president-joe-biden-international-holocaust-remembrance-day-statement-2024/

20 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

You are paranoid or have persecution complex. 

You post hate speech.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well, I don't know about the numbers and how they compare with other massacres of Jews

 

The Jews do, that's why they will not let this happen again, no circles here

The last number I saw on these two was six million in WWII and 1,200 on Oct 7. Are you telling me there's never been any series of events that has caused a loss of Jewish life more than 1,200 since WWII? That's hard for me to believe. But, still, 1,200 is a lot.

Of course, the death toll now in Gaza is about 30,000... 

Just now, WDSmart said:

The last number I saw on these two was six million in WWII and 1,200 on Oct 7. Are you telling me there's never been any series of events that has caused a loss of Jewish life more than 1,200 since WWII? That's hard for me to believe. But, still, 1,200 is a lot.

Of course, the death toll now in Gaza is about 30,000... 

Are you telling me there's never been any series of events that has caused a loss of Jewish life more than 1,200 since WWII? That's hard for me to believe.

 

Yes I am telling you that, its a fact I don't care if you believe it or not. Hamas would have preferred much more though

 

Worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust still not enough for some

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You post hate speech.

Nonsense, you are being irrational now. Where did I once post hate speech? Quote me. 

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Nonsense, you are being irrational now. Where did I once post hate speech? Quote me. 

Sorry to burst your bubble but you applauded a post describing Israelis as Nazis.

I just saw on CNN that the Israeli proposal is an exchange of 40 hostages for 700 prisoners, but there was no mention of a ceasefire or any other conditions. And it was reported that they didn't expect to receive a response from Hamas in a couple of days.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I just saw on CNN that the Israeli proposal is an exchange of 40 hostages for 700 prisoners, but there was no mention of a ceasefire or any other conditions. And it was reported that they didn't expect to receive a response from Hamas in a couple of days.

 as usual no parity

Friday 22 March:

 

Unicef official tells of ‘utter annihilation’ after travelling length of Gaza

“The depth of the horror surpasses our ability to describe it,” said James Elder, a spokesperson with the United Nations Children’s Fund (Unicef).

[...]

“A military offensive in Rafah would be utterly catastrophic."

[...]

“Rafah is Gaza’s last hope and it is utterly bewildering that a conversation on a potential military operation is still continuing.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/22/unicef-official-utter-annihilation-gaza

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 as usual no parity

In what way? A throw away comment means nothing

8 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I just saw on CNN that the Israeli proposal is an exchange of 40 hostages for 700 prisoners, but there was no mention of a ceasefire or any other conditions. And it was reported that they didn't expect to receive a response from Hamas in a couple of days.

6 weeks first stage then possible extension based on further discussions

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Opinion written by Robert Inlakesh who was today spreading false claims of IDF mass raping civilians at Shifa hospital that have even now been debunked by Al Jazeera after they were also spreading them

Some more on this

 

Hamas, Al Jazeera admit: Story of IDF rapes in Gaza hospital fabricated

Although the Qatari mouthpiece has yet to officially refer to the retraction, all content related to the allegation has been deleted. After more than 24 hours of letting the story run freely, Qatari mouthpiece Al Jazeera deleted the page featuring their former story, which accused Israeli soldiers of allegedly perpetrating rape against women during the IDF’s latest excursion against Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists who barricaded themselves inside the former hospital-cum-terror headquarters at Shifa Hospital.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793560

20 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 as usual no parity

 

   40 hostages in exchange for 40 prisoners would be parity .

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Some more on this

 

Hamas, Al Jazeera admit: Story of IDF rapes in Gaza hospital fabricated

Although the Qatari mouthpiece has yet to officially refer to the retraction, all content related to the allegation has been deleted. After more than 24 hours of letting the story run freely, Qatari mouthpiece Al Jazeera deleted the page featuring their former story, which accused Israeli soldiers of allegedly perpetrating rape against women during the IDF’s latest excursion against Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists who barricaded themselves inside the former hospital-cum-terror headquarters at Shifa Hospital.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793560

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793420

 

IDF Brig.-Gen. (res.) Amir Avivi met with the holder of the Israeli-Palestinian portfolio at the US State Department, who accused Israel of "systematically" sexually abusing Palestinian woman, the general explained in an interview on 103FM.

Recounting his meeting, he explained, "It was a meeting that shook me. We sat there, talked about the situation, and suddenly she accused Israel of systematically sexually abusing Palestinian women."

21 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793420

 

IDF Brig.-Gen. (res.) Amir Avivi met with the holder of the Israeli-Palestinian portfolio at the US State Department, who accused Israel of "systematically" sexually abusing Palestinian woman, the general explained in an interview on 103FM.

Recounting his meeting, he explained, "It was a meeting that shook me. We sat there, talked about the situation, and suddenly she accused Israel of systematically sexually abusing Palestinian women."

That is zero to do with the linked post you responded to and is an unverified claim, no named US official only a female official, holder of the Israeli-Palestinian portfolio at the State Department and as IDF Brig.-Gen. (res.) Amir Avivi who is the one who reported on this said: "This is absolutely disconnected from reality."

 

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That is zero to do with the linked post you responded to and is an unverified claim, no named US official only a female official, holder of the Israeli-Palestinian portfolio at the State Department and as IDF Brig.-Gen. (res.) Amir Avivi who is the one who reported on this said: "This is absolutely disconnected from reality."

 

 

 

 

Well if you don't doubt the veracity of The Brig Gen - then a State Department Official said that to him in the State Department therefore on official business and reported in an authoritative source the Jerusalem Post - there's a case to answer at the very least unless you want to smear female US officials as somehow in the pay of Hamas. But then as the whole of the UN is smeared now whither the truth ? The BG can surely not know more than anyone else, especially so since he is retired and the State Department official is not. No wonder that for Joe Biden the premise that everyone but Israel is lying is wearing pretty thin all round. Even their British foul mouthpiece Elon Levy was suspended for his daily fact free diatribes.

9 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Well if you don't doubt the veracity of The Brig Gen - then a State Department Official said that to him in the State Department therefore on official business and reported in an authoritative source the Jerusalem Post - there's a case to answer at the very least unless you want to smear female US officials as somehow in the pay of Hamas. But then as the whole of the UN is smeared now whither the truth ? The BG can surely not know more than anyone else, especially so since he is retired and the State Department official is not. No wonder that for Joe Biden the premise that everyone but Israel is lying is wearing pretty thin all round. Even their British foul mouthpiece Elon Levy was suspended for his daily fact free diatribes.

Well if you don't doubt the veracity of The Brig Gen

 

He also said "This is absolutely disconnected from reality."

 

Do you know who this official was, her name? Do you know who told her this? Were they credible? Was it a Hamas reporter straight from the tunnels? Unverified propaganda is all it is without named people and credible witnesses.

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well if you don't doubt the veracity of The Brig Gen

 

He also said "This is absolutely disconnected from reality."

 

Do you know who this official was, her name? Do you know who told her this? Were they credible? Was it a Hamas reporter straight from the tunnels? Unverified propaganda is all it is without named people and credible witnesses.

Well he does and since this was an official meeting I suggest that he should have done further due diligence before breaking probably was what a meeting had in confidence. His scant details lead me to think he is trying to smear the US State Department here in the Israeli press in order to try and stymie counter narratives of IDF committing sexual crimes take root. What war teaches us is that brutalised men do brutal things in the execution of it. Just look at Vietnam for instance and all should be unequivocally condemned. 

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

Well he does and since this was an official meeting I suggest that he should have done further due diligence before breaking probably was what a meeting had in confidence. His scant details lead me to think he is trying to smear the US State Department here in the Israeli press in order to try and stymie counter narratives of IDF committing sexual crimes take root. What war teaches us is that brutalised men do brutal things in the execution of it. Just look at Vietnam for instance and all should be unequivocally condemned. 

You suggesting what he should have done shows your desperation. What this leads you to think I care not. I do care about credible reports. This is not one of those by a long way.