Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[Wobblybob]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Every single death, every single drop of blood, every single home destroyed, and every innocent injured – lays solely at the feet of Hamas’ leadership.

 

We rape and torture your women, we burn whole families and take hundreds of hostages.....why are you attacking us?

[Neeranam]

13,800 kids have been 'mistakenly murdered' by Israel. 

 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

13,800 kids have been 'mistakenly murdered' by Israel. 

 

Where does he get that number from?

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

13,800 kids have been 'mistakenly murdered' by Israel. 

 

The act of murder is an intension to kill, so I don't know why you have used that word in "mistakenly murdered".

 

Hamas did itself murder men, women and children, which is entirely different, but you have never used the word murder regarding the Hamas vile actions............

[Nick Carter icp]

The IDF have withdrawn from much of Gaza today , not stated why they did so 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The IDF have withdrawn from much of Gaza today , not stated why they did so 

 

 

Yea from most of South Gaza, not much of an explanation yet

 

He talks about it here, re grouping or something?

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

50 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea from most of South Gaza, not much of an explanation yet

 

He talks about it here, re grouping or something?

 

 

 

 

   Could be Israel giving an opportunity for all the civilians to leave Rafah and then onwards with the final solution to wipe out Hamas .

   Notice of how Gaza is now cut in half , it wasn't like that pre Oct 7 th . 

Looks like there's now a North Gaza and South Gaza , could be the beginning of two separate Countries 

[Nick Carter icp]

29 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 

 

   Other non biased reports state that the crowd began firing rockets toward the Israeli police and the Israeli police responded by firing tear gas back at them to disperse them .

   You report states that the tear gas was dropped by airplane , but it would be very unusual and unpractical to drop tear gas from airplanes and there's no airplanes in your video .

   Seems like it was Israeli police firing tear gas back at rocket firers 

[rattlesnake]

A ‘war against humanity itself’: José Andrés still reeling from Israeli attack that killed his workers
Chef José Andrés described Israel’s siege of Gaza as a “war against humanity itself,” days after the Israeli attack that killed seven workers from World Central Kitchen, Andrés’ aid organization that provides meals to civilians suffering from hunger due to conflicts.
[…]
This doesn’t seem anymore [to be] a war about defending Israel. The Israelis at this point seem it’s a war against humanity itself,” Andrés said during an interview on ABC’s “This Week,” that aired Sunday.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/07/jose-andres-israel-world-central-kitchen-workers-00150942

[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

A ‘war against humanity itself’: José Andrés still reeling from Israeli attack that killed his workers
Chef José Andrés described Israel’s siege of Gaza as a “war against humanity itself,” days after the Israeli attack that killed seven workers from World Central Kitchen, Andrés’ aid organization that provides meals to civilians suffering from hunger due to conflicts.
[…]
This doesn’t seem anymore [to be] a war about defending Israel. The Israelis at this point seem it’s a war against humanity itself,” Andrés said during an interview on ABC’s “This Week,” that aired Sunday.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/07/jose-andres-israel-world-central-kitchen-workers-00150942

You do know there are two separate topics covering this incident in full right, first one has over 13 pages!

 

Foreigners among World Central Kitchen staff killed in Israeli strike

https://aseannow.com/topic/1323939-foreigners-among-world-central-kitchen-staff-killed-in-israeli-strike/

 

Israel-Gaza: Inside IDF's detailed briefing on aid convoy attack

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324273-israel-gaza-inside-idfs-detailed-briefing-on-aid-convoy-attack/

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Bit more info on the pull out.............

 

IDF chief says withdrawal of troops from Gaza doesn’t mean war is close to end

IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi said Sunday that, despite the withdrawal of all of its maneuvering ground forces from the Gaza Strip, the war against Hamas continues and is far from over.

He also said that the IDF will know how to return to fighting in the event of a temporary truce as part of a hostage deal, and that returning the hostages to Israel is a more urgent matter than other goals.

“We will not leave Hamas brigades active in any part of the Strip. We have plans and we will act when we decide.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief-says-withdrawal-of-troops-from-gaza-doesnt-mean-war-is-close-to-end

 

The IDF believes that raids based on new intelligence, like the operation at Shifa Hospital and others in northern Gaza, is a more effective way to operate against Hamas.

The offensive in Khan Younis reached its potential, according to the IDF, with the local Hamas brigade being dismantled, thousands of gunmen being killed, and around 30 kilometers of tunnels being destroyed. 

Troops will ultimately return for raids based on new intelligence, similar to how operations are taking place in northern Gaza, according to the IDF.

https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1776913005319442576

 

[Bkk Brian]

"On this somber occasion, our nation should reexamine who we can count on to be on our side and who stands on the side of the terrorists."

 

https://twitter.com/SenTedBuddNC/status/1776956883317731714

 

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2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

"On this somber occasion, our nation should reexamine who we can count on to be on our side and who stands on the side of the terrorists."

 

https://twitter.com/SenTedBuddNC/status/1776956883317731714

 

Very believable.

Or maybe not:

Israel’s major ground war in Gaza is over; the state of war inflicted by Hamas is not
Sunday’s withdrawal of IDF ground forces from Khan Younis marks the end of so-called high-intensity conflict, though Hamas is still standing, and still holding 129 Oct. 7 hostages

Is this how the war ends? Not with a bang, or even a whimper, but with the IDF pulling its ground forces out of Khan Younis, and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant asserting, in defiance of reality, that Hamas has “stopped functioning as a military organization throughout the Gaza Strip,” contradicting himself in the next breath, and clarifying a few hours later?...

As Israel on Sunday marked six months since the October 7 massacre, the two prime declared goals of the war — destroying Hamas’s military capabilities and bringing home the remaining 129 hostages abducted that day — are patently unfulfilled...

As retired general Israel Ziv — a former IDF operations chief who plunged back into battle on October 7, driving down south to see what he could do to help turn back the Hamas terror onslaught — told a Channel 12 interviewer soon after Gallant spoke, “in these very hours” Khan Younis is going “back into Hamas hands.” And in the absence of any kind of alternate leadership, “Hamas’s control in the Strip continues.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-major-ground-war-in-gaza-is-over-the-state-of-war-inflicted-by-hamas-is-not/

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2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

"On this somber occasion, our nation should reexamine who we can count on to be on our side and who stands on the side of the terrorists."

 

https://twitter.com/SenTedBuddNC/status/1776956883317731714

 

 

The Israeli invasion of Gaza looks to be an even bigger success than the Iraq War was...for Israel's enemies.

In Six Months, Everything Has Changed for Israel
Nation that was building new alliances before Oct. 7 now appears as isolated as ever

Today, after a bloody attack that might have brought it the world’s sympathy, Israel is closer to being a global pariah than ever before...

“Israel’s longevity is in question for the first time since its birth,” said Benny Morris, an Israeli historian. The only time Israel faced a similar existential threat, he said, was in its war for independence in 1948, when it battled five Arab countries and local Palestinian militias. 

https://archive.ph/LWU1m

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/in-six-months-everything-has-changed-for-israel-5c5130e9?mod=world_lead_story

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

 

The Israeli invasion of Gaza looks to be an even bigger success than the Iraq War was...for Israel's enemies.

In Six Months, Everything Has Changed for Israel
Nation that was building new alliances before Oct. 7 now appears as isolated as ever

Today, after a bloody attack that might have brought it the world’s sympathy, Israel is closer to being a global pariah than ever before...

“Israel’s longevity is in question for the first time since its birth,” said Benny Morris, an Israeli historian. The only time Israel faced a similar existential threat, he said, was in its war for independence in 1948, when it battled five Arab countries and local Palestinian militias. 

https://archive.ph/LWU1m

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/in-six-months-everything-has-changed-for-israel-5c5130e9?mod=world_lead_story

"On this somber occasion, our nation should reexamine who we can count on to be on our side and who stands on the side of the terrorists."

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2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

"On this somber occasion, our nation should reexamine who we can count on to be on our side and who stands on the side of the terrorists."

Yes, even the United States is now migrating to the side of the terrorists. Poor, innocent Israel. 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Yes, even the United States is now migrating to the side of the terrorists. Poor, innocent Israel. 

so, all you have is sarcasm on your return

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1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

so, all you have is sarcasm on your return

There are lots of ways to make a point. Sarcasm is one of them. There are also lots of way to evade addressing a point.  Which is what you've just done.

Sarcasm is what the simpleminded quote you offered deserves. 

"On this somber occasion, our nation should reexamine who we can count on to be on our side and who stands on the side of the terrorists."

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

There are lots of ways to make a point. Sarcasm is one of them. There are also lots of way to evade addressing a point.  Which is what you've just done.

There are lots of ways to make a point. Sarcasm is one of them

 

Yea, cheap lowest form of wit usually made when you have nothing else to add as proved in your case.

 

Especially on this 6 month anniversary of the horrors of Oct 7th.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

There are lots of ways to make a point. Sarcasm is one of them

 

Yea, cheap lowest form of wit usually made when you have nothing else to add as proved in your case.

 

Especially on this 6 month anniversary of the horrors of Oct 7th.

 

More empty emotionalism. Another evasion of facts. 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, placeholder said:

More empty emotionalism. Another evasion of facts. 

 

Now the lame attempts at telling me what my emotions are consisted of..........

 

Six months after October 7, it still feels like Day 1 for hostage families

 

Life changed in Israel on October 7 last year. The unexpected and overwhelming assault by at least 1,500 Hamas fighters, pouring into Israel by land, sea and even paragliders, killed about 1,200 people, Israeli authorities said. More than 250 people were taken hostage and moved to Hamas’ Gaza stronghold.

Much has happened in the six months since. The massacres at a music festival in the desert and kibbutz communities prompted Israel to declare war on Hamas, leading to air and ground attacks that have devastated Gaza and the lives of the more than two million people for whom it is home.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/06/middleeast/israeli-hostage-families-war/index.html

 

[Rimmer]

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40 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Now the lame attempts at telling me what my emotions are consisted of..........

 

Six months after October 7, it still feels like Day 1 for hostage families

 

Life changed in Israel on October 7 last year. The unexpected and overwhelming assault by at least 1,500 Hamas fighters, pouring into Israel by land, sea and even paragliders, killed about 1,200 people, Israeli authorities said. More than 250 people were taken hostage and moved to Hamas’ Gaza stronghold.

Much has happened in the six months since. The massacres at a music festival in the desert and kibbutz communities prompted Israel to declare war on Hamas, leading to air and ground attacks that have devastated Gaza and the lives of the more than two million people for whom it is home.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/06/middleeast/israeli-hostage-families-war/index.html

 

What day do you suggest we adopt to memorialize the thousands and thousands of non-combatant Gazans who died and are maimed because of Israeli brutality?

Virtually none of Israel's allies are buying anymore its claim that it did its best to avoid inflicting casualties and starvation on civilians.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What day do you suggest we adopt to memorialize the thousands and thousands of non-combatant Gazans who died and are maimed because of Israeli brutality?

Virtually none of Israel's allies are buying anymore its claim that it did its best to avoid inflicting casualties and starvation on civilians.

Up to you, why not write a topic on it and name a day?

 

There is no context. There is no justification. There are only those who kidnap babies and mothers from their homes and hold them captive in dark tunnels. Hamas started this war 6 months ago when they massacred, raped and kidnapped over 1200 Israelis. We will not rest until the Bibas family & each and every one of the hostages is home.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Up to you, why not write a topic on it and name a day?

 

There is no context. There is no justification. There are only those who kidnap babies and mothers from their homes and hold them captive in dark tunnels. Hamas started this war 6 months ago when they massacred, raped and kidnapped over 1200 Israelis. We will not rest until the Bibas family & each and every one of the hostages is home.

 

 

More emotional and evasion from  you. Not even Israel's staunchest allies believe Israel's claims anymore about its concern for non-combatants. 

I've seen no evidence of any contrition from Israelis for the harm wreaked upon Palestinians because of Israel's support of Hamas. 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

More emotional and evasion from  you. Not even Israel's staunchest allies believe Israel's claims anymore about its concern for non-combatants. 

I've seen no evidence of any contrition from Israelis for the harm wreaked upon Palestinians because of Israel's support of Hamas. 

You responded to a post that I made regards the 6 month anniversary of the Hamas terrorists attack, I am evading nothing except posting facts. I have no need to be derailed by your deliberate questions to derail the sadness and hurt being felt by those involved and my personal empathy for them.

 

6 months ago, Hamas massacred families in their homes, burned children alive, raped women and girls, slaughtered 1,200 Israelis, and kidnapped 253 more. Hamas promises to do it all "again and again." Israel is fighting to ensure Hamas never can.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Up to you, why not write a topic on it and name a day?

 We will not rest until the Bibas family & each and every one of the hostages is home.

 

 

How's that hostage recovery going so far? You don't seem to recognize the fact it's not just Hamas but the Netanyahu government that is being held responsible by an increasing number of Israelis for the failure to obtain the return of the hostages.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, placeholder said:

How's that hostage recovery going so far? You don't seem to recognize the fact it's not just Hamas but the Netanyahu government that is being held responsible by an increasing number of Israelis for the failure to obtain the return of the hostages.

2 replies to the same post......lol

 

Why are you asking me how the hostage recovery is going, why not read the topic your on for the latest updates. Enough of your baiting

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How's that hostage recovery going so far? You don't seem to recognize the fact it's not just Hamas but the Netanyahu government that is being held responsible by an increasing number of Israelis for the failure to obtain the return of the hostages.

 

  Israel has failed on that , I expect that most if not all of the hostages are dead by now , any hostages left alive now would be a bonus 

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3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Israel has failed on that , I expect that most if not all of the hostages are dead by now , any hostages left alive now would be a bonus 

But at least it has succeeded in destroying Hamas... Or is about to... There's no doubt about that, right?