Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[Neeranam]

19 hours ago, xylophone said:

It sprang to mind that this is a war started by Hamas, which is the governing party of Gaza, and who mercilessly slaughtered over 1200 innocents, as well as taking hostages. That being the case, Israel has retaliated even more mercilessly so and as Hamas fighters are inextricably intertwined with Palestinians, it's difficult to separate the two.

Where do you get 1200 innocents from?

 

The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children,

 

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Where do you get 1200 innocents from?

 

The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children,

 

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths

Why did you deliberately miss out the innocent foreigners that were slaughtered? Why do you miss out the IDF that were slaughtered? 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

19 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

António Guterres said Hamas attacks didn't happen in a vacuum, they had been due to years of suffocating occupation’ ’What does this mean to you? To me, it means Hamas did not start this 'war'. The head of the UN!

 

You appear to think this is a war like others in the past. Can you tell me another war where only one side's civilians were being killed? 

 

Do you think your hope of further Israel action, killing Hamas, and innocent women/kids will end the conflict? I don't. Frankly, it's quite a hope for me to understand. 

Have you any idea the suffering that Gazans will face in the future, loss of families, PTSD, no homes etc? 

Why did you miss out the most important part of this statement?

 

"the grievances of the Palestinian people cannot justify the appalling attacks by Hamas."

 

When are you going to call for the immediate release of all hostages with no pre conditions?

[coolcarer]

Hilarious. 😂Even the spokesman for the Hamas Ministry of Health, has upped and packed his bags, fled Gaza with his family members. He used to play an important role in the whole propaganda system spewed out by them. I guess the Jackanory stories coming out was too much for him to speak about without bursting into laughter at the gullibility of the UN and media who took their lies in hook, line and sinker.

 

https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1777546149328822331

[Bkk Brian]

Israel's been ready for months, ever since Hamas broke the last ceasefire deal. Oh and the terrorists have still not come up with a list of all the hostages names that are still alive and the bodies of those dead they are holding. But Hamas health authority can still come up with daily death and causality figures. yea right

 

Israel ready for truce deal, Hamas needs to be pushed, US adviser says

US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan says he believes Israel is prepared to agree to a ceasefire deal with Hamas.

Sullivan is asked during a White House press briefing what Biden’s failure to secure a hostage deal before the end of Ramadan this week, after he sought to broker a deal before the holy month started, says about his ability to bring peace around the world. “It says more about the fact that you have a party, Hamas, [that] is holding innocent people that it took hostage six months ago,” Sullivan responds. “It doesn’t get a lot of attention in the commentary.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-ready-for-truce-deal-hamas-needs-to-be-pushed-us-adviser-says/

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

22 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

You would have to be pretty naive to believe anything that comes out of a terrorists mouth but it seems some people hang on to their every word, why one has to ask ourselves.🥴

 

 

Article out on that now.

 

Terror groups use ‘all hospitals’ in Gaza for operations, PIJ spokesperson admits

A spokesman for the political wing of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Gaza, admitted during an IDF interrogation that the terror group uses “all hospitals in the Gaza strip” for its operations and that it tried to hide the fact that one of its rockets struck Al-Ahli Arab Hospital at the beginning of the war.

In footage released by the IDF on Monday, Tarek Abu Shaluf states that the explosion at Al-Ahli hospital on 17 October was caused by “a local rocket”, but that “we said it was Israeli”.

“To erase this story, the movement [Islamic Jihad] made some moves, it made up a story that the rocket belonged to the occupation [Israel] and that the target was the [hospital] building,” Abu Shaluf says on camera.

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/terror-groups-use-all-hospitals-in-gaza-for-operations-pij-spokesperson-admits-whrgcjrr

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So first I debunk the neutrality of your first "expert" so you post another who is just another ally of Israel from the USA, the real winners of this conflict, follow the money. 

Seems that if netanyahu said black was white there would be some "expert" to agree with him, but when we can see what israelis have done in Gaza it's so obviously just bs.

 

Anyway, saying that is just deflection as no army in history had the technology to use directed missiles with a small blast radius, yet the israelis have been blowing up entire buildings.

 

The sad thing is that the israeli war criminals will probably never see a court room while on trial. The US will likely make sure of that. Shame on them all.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Are you comparing the Israeli govt. to the WW2 German one?

 

LOL. He probably didn't intend to use an example so close to the reality.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems that if netanyahu said black was white there would be some "expert" to agree with him, but when we can see what israelis have done in Gaza it's so obviously just bs.

 

Anyway, saying that is just deflection as no army in history had the technology to use directed missiles with a small blast radius, yet the israelis have been blowing up entire buildings.

 

The sad thing is that the israeli war criminals will probably never see a court room while on trial. The US will likely make sure of that. Shame on them all.

Will Hamas war criminals who started this war ever see a court room?

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Will Hamas war criminals who started this war ever see a court room?

Yes they will, they will hunt them down until they take their last breath, same as every german who worked in a concentration camp as a leader being prosecutet in their 90ies even. They can never rest, Israel will never give up until each and one of them is taken. We know that for sure. If not brought for court, they will find them and eleminate them effectively. And as they should have done instead started this massacre in Gaza of civilians. They could have used patience and time, but I guess they had other plans, a higher goal, a higher purpose and 7. october gave them a good reason to execute their plans. 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Yes they will, they will hunt them down until they take their last breath, same as every german who worked in a concentration camp as a leader being prosecutet in their 90ies even. They can never rest, Israel will never give up until each and one of them is taken. We know that for sure. If not brought for court, they will find them and eleminate them effectively. And as they should have done instead started this massacre in Gaza of civilians. They could have used patience and time, but I guess they had other plans, a higher goal, a higher purpose and 7. october gave them a good reason to execute their plans. 

The crystal ball has come out then 😴

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The crystal ball has come out then 😴

You cant deny they are the most successful nations in prosecutions against war criminals and assassination of enimies of the state of israel world wide! 

 

This ridicule of other members who have an opinion, doesnt work very well for you, does it? 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

You cant deny they are the most successful nations in prosecutions against war criminals and assassination of enimies of the state of israel world wide! 

 

This ridicule of other members who have an opinion, doesnt work very well for you, does it? 

This ridicule of other members who have an opinion, doesnt work very well for you, does it?

 

My fact based responses work well enough for me thanks, now back to the topic

[coolcarer]

23 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So first I debunk the neutrality of your first "expert" so you post another who is just another ally of Israel from the USA, the real winners of this conflict, follow the money. 

Debunk….lol So which poster claimed they were neutral? It’s 6 months into the war, nobody is sitting on the fence. These were ex military and ex Gov advisors. Of course they are not neutral, they are anti terrorist and anti Hamas same as me. This war is Israel against Hamas and I know which side I am on as I am sure those experts do to.

[Hummin]

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

This ridicule of other members who have an opinion, doesnt work very well for you, does it?

 

My fact based responses work well enough for me thanks, now back to the topic

Fact based responses based on propaganda? You can believe what you want, but you are happy to turn the blind eye to the reality of this tragedy, and the fundamental lack of humanity against civilians for decades before the last war started. 

 

A war propagandists is the right term.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Fact based responses based on propaganda? You can believe what you want, but you are happy to turn the blind eye to the reality of this tragedy, and the fundamental lack of humanity against civilians for decades before the last war started. 

 

A war propagandists is the right term.

Fact based responses based on propaganda? 

 

No fact based responses, nice try, when you have something on topic let me know

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Fact based responses based on propaganda? 

 

No fact based responses, nice try, when you have something on topic let me know

 

as every conflict you are so sure you know the whole truth, it might be painful the day you see how wrong you where! How could it hurt you admitting both parts have performed crimes against humanity? How can that possible be wrong? How can you say Im wrong? 

 

In every conflicts and wars there will always be two parts and no war goes on without war crimes no matter what you like to believe. As said many times, nothing will be right ever for whats have been done before 7. october or after! It is a human crisis we have not seen for a long time, and it will continue for years to come. Not only the impact regional, but world wide. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Hummin said:

 

as every conflict you are so sure you know the whole truth, it might be painful the day you see how wrong you where! How could it hurt you admitting both parts have performed crimes against humanity? How can that possible be wrong? How can you say Im wrong? 

 

In every conflicts and wars there will always be two parts and no war goes on without war crimes no matter what you like to believe. As said many times, nothing will be right ever for whats have been done before 7. october or after! It is a human crisis we have not seen for a long time, and it will continue for years to come. Not only the impact regional, but world wide. 

As said many times

 

Yes I know......yawn, 

[Wobblybob]

12 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Fact based responses based on propaganda? You can believe what you want, but you are happy to turn the blind eye to the reality of this tragedy, and the fundamental lack of humanity against civilians for decades before the last war started. 

 

A war propagandists is the right term.

It has been proven much to the disappointment of the pro Hamas supporters that they have lied time after time and still you fall for the terrorist propaganda.🥴 

[Bkk Brian]

Hamas deserves no mercy for their crimes against women.

 

 

 

All Israeli female hostages being raped, sexually abused, says ex-captive: ‘No one to save you’

All the female Israeli hostages are being raped or sexually abused, a former Hamas captive revealed Tuesday — as she begged Israel’s Knesset not to go on its planned extended recess, given the crisis.

Ex-hostage Mia Regev revealed the devastating news during an emergency debate before the Israeli parliament’s Committee on the Status of Women and Gender Equality.

https://nypost.com/2024/04/02/world-news/all-israeli-female-hostages-being-raped-sexually-abused-says-ex-captive-no-one-to-save-you/

[Bkk Brian]

About time, another group of terrorists (Popular Resistance Committees) involved in Oct 7th Massacre to get sanctioned and put forward as being officially delegated as a terrorist organization.

 

Scoop: Congress eyes sanctions on "under the radar" Gaza militant group

The 11-page bill labels the PRC the "third-largest terror group in the Gaza strip," after Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

It imposes sanctions on the PRC and those connected to the group by blocking them from doing business or owning property in the U.S. or possessing a U.S. entry visa.
The measure also requires the State Department to issue a report on whether to designate the PRC and the West Bank-based Lion's Den militant group as terrorist organizations.

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/09/gaza-militant-group-congress-eyes-sanctions

[BigBruv]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

About time, another group of terrorists (Popular Resistance Committees) involved in Oct 7th Massacre to get sanctioned and put forward as being officially delegated as a terrorist organization.

 

Scoop: Congress eyes sanctions on "under the radar" Gaza militant group

The 11-page bill labels the PRC the "third-largest terror group in the Gaza strip," after Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

It imposes sanctions on the PRC and those connected to the group by blocking them from doing business or owning property in the U.S. or possessing a U.S. entry visa.
The measure also requires the State Department to issue a report on whether to designate the PRC and the West Bank-based Lion's Den militant group as terrorist organizations.

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/09/gaza-militant-group-congress-eyes-sanctions

 

Interesting from the Times of Israael:

"The premier’s [Netanyahu] policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from"

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, BigBruv said:

 

Interesting from the Times of Israael:

"The premier’s [Netanyahu] policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from"

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

 

 

Dated 8th oct when it was discussed in full on these topics. 

[BigBruv]

5 hours ago, Hummin said:

 

as every conflict you are so sure you know the whole truth, it might be painful the day you see how wrong you where! How could it hurt you admitting both parts have performed crimes against humanity? How can that possible be wrong? How can you say Im wrong? 

 

In every conflicts and wars there will always be two parts and no war goes on without war crimes no matter what you like to believe. As said many times, nothing will be right ever for whats have been done before 7. october or after! It is a human crisis we have not seen for a long time, and it will continue for years to come. Not only the impact regional, but world wide. 

 

Well said.

 

Always more to these war stories than meets the eye:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2023/11/21/world/israel-failed-policy/

"Israel is tasting the bitter fruits of a divide-and-rule policy that helped midwife the birth of the Hamas "Frankenstein monster" that it is now seeking to subdue."

 

Complicit?

[BigBruv]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Dated 8th oct when it was discussed in full on these topics. 

 

Good you know about Israel supporting Hamas.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

 

Puts recent events into context

 

"[Israel's] policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from"

 

Play with fire.... Don't cry about it when it blows up in your face

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, BigBruv said:

 

Good you know about Israel supporting Hamas.

 

Puts recent events into context

 

"[Israel's] policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from"

 

Play with fire.... Don't cry about it when it blows up in your face

You obviously don't know.

 

The money was from Qatar so they are the source, here is a statement just 3 days ago from them:

 

Today in Washington, the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability @GOPoversight
 issued a press release that inaccurately claims Qatar has paid Hamas “$30 million per month since 2018.”

Qatar does not pay Hamas.  

In full coordination with the Government of Israel, Qatar has contributed humanitarian assistance in Gaza since 2018.  This assistance takes two forms:

1. Since 2018, Qatar funded fuel purchases from Israel to supply a Gaza power station to generate electricity in Gaza, under the supervision of the United Nations Office of Project Services.  The Israeli Government controlled all fuel transfers at the Gaza border.

2. Since August 2021, Qatar funded a project administered by the World Food Programme to provide $100 per month to the poorest families in Gaza.  The Israeli Government maintained oversight over the list of recipients.

Notably, Qatar did not administer the distribution of this assistance, which was the responsibility of the United Nations and the World Food Programme, under the supervision of the State of Israel.

Israel encouraged and strongly supported Qatar’s contributions.  In August 2021, Israeli Defence Minister Gantz was quoted by AP on this topic:  “I have been in contact with Qatari officials to establish a mechanism that ensures the money reaches those in need, while maintaining Israel’s security needs.”  In a March 22, 2024 article, The Times of Israel documented the Israeli Government’s sustained support and appreciation for Qatar’s humanitarian financial assistance for Gaza. https://timesofisrael.com/documents-show-israel-sought-valued-qatari-aid-for-gaza-in-years-leading-to-oct-7/

The United States also supported Qatar’s humanitarian contributions.  In 2018, President Trump’s Special Envoy to the Middle East, Jason Greenblatt, endorsed the Israel-Qatar agreement to channel aid to Gaza.  He said, “Qatar partnering with Israel can bring real relief to the people of Gaza.”

Qatar’s humanitarian and mediation roles in Gaza are not new, and they go hand-in-hand to protect the civilian population.  Qatar mediated previous ceasefires in Gaza, including in 2021 after a bloody eruption of violence.

Since October 7, Qatar – along with the United States, Egypt, Israel and others -- has been actively engaged in mediation to secure release of the hostages and a durable ceasefire agreement in Gaza.  There has been some progress, with over 100 hostages released to date.  

There is more work to be done, and urgently.  Misinformation about Qatar and its humanitarian contributions is unhelpful to these delicate negotiations.

[BigBruv]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

You obviously don't know.

 

The money was from Qatar so they are the source, here is a statement just 3 days ago from them:

 

Today in Washington, the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability @GOPoversight
 issued a press release that inaccurately claims Qatar has paid Hamas “$30 million per month since 2018.”

Qatar does not pay Hamas.  

In full coordination with the Government of Israel, Qatar has contributed humanitarian assistance in Gaza since 2018.  This assistance takes two forms:

1. Since 2018, Qatar funded fuel purchases from Israel to supply a Gaza power station to generate electricity in Gaza, under the supervision of the United Nations Office of Project Services.  The Israeli Government controlled all fuel transfers at the Gaza border.

2. Since August 2021, Qatar funded a project administered by the World Food Programme to provide $100 per month to the poorest families in Gaza.  The Israeli Government maintained oversight over the list of recipients.

Notably, Qatar did not administer the distribution of this assistance, which was the responsibility of the United Nations and the World Food Programme, under the supervision of the State of Israel.

Israel encouraged and strongly supported Qatar’s contributions.  In August 2021, Israeli Defence Minister Gantz was quoted by AP on this topic:  “I have been in contact with Qatari officials to establish a mechanism that ensures the money reaches those in need, while maintaining Israel’s security needs.”  In a March 22, 2024 article, The Times of Israel documented the Israeli Government’s sustained support and appreciation for Qatar’s humanitarian financial assistance for Gaza. https://timesofisrael.com/documents-show-israel-sought-valued-qatari-aid-for-gaza-in-years-leading-to-oct-7/

The United States also supported Qatar’s humanitarian contributions.  In 2018, President Trump’s Special Envoy to the Middle East, Jason Greenblatt, endorsed the Israel-Qatar agreement to channel aid to Gaza.  He said, “Qatar partnering with Israel can bring real relief to the people of Gaza.”

Qatar’s humanitarian and mediation roles in Gaza are not new, and they go hand-in-hand to protect the civilian population.  Qatar mediated previous ceasefires in Gaza, including in 2021 after a bloody eruption of violence.

Since October 7, Qatar – along with the United States, Egypt, Israel and others -- has been actively engaged in mediation to secure release of the hostages and a durable ceasefire agreement in Gaza.  There has been some progress, with over 100 hostages released to date.  

There is more work to be done, and urgently.  Misinformation about Qatar and its humanitarian contributions is unhelpful to these delicate negotiations.

 

 

Yeah just found it interesting that Israel would fund Hamas to prevent the creation of a Palestinian 'state'

 

And then cry and moan about it now it's blown up in their faces

I guess nothing changes 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, BigBruv said:

 

 

Yeah just found it interesting that Israel would fund Hamas to prevent the creation of a Palestinian 'state'

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-borrell-says-israel-financed-creation-gaza-rulers-hamas-2024-01-19/

And then cry and moan about it now it's blown up in their faces

I guess nothing changes 

I suggest you read my post again because you've gone and ignored the facts of where the money went. 

[BigBruv]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I suggest you read my post again because you've gone and ignored the facts of where the money went. 

 

Sorry, I don;'t trust twitter as a reliable source.

 

Reuters is pretty legit though:

"EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said on Friday that Israel had financed the creation of Palestinian militant group Hamas, publicly contradicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has denied such allegations."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-borrell-says-israel-financed-creation-gaza-rulers-hamas-2024-01-19/

 

If you've already made your mind up which team your on that's fine by me though.  I don't have a dog in the fight and don't expext Jew ish people to acknowledge information that contradicts their stories.

 

FWIW I think you guys will win and clear that area anyway

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, BigBruv said:

 

Sorry, I don;'t trust twitter as a reliable source.

 

Reuters is pretty legit though:

"EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said on Friday that Israel had financed the creation of Palestinian militant group Hamas, publicly contradicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has denied such allegations."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-borrell-says-israel-financed-creation-gaza-rulers-hamas-2024-01-19/

 

If you've already made your mind up which team your on that's fine by me though.  I don't have a dog in the fight and don't expext Jew ish people to acknowledge information that contradicts their stories.

 

FWIW I think you guys will win and clear that area anyway

 

Here 10 pages of the topic you want on Netanyahu and his distaste for a 2 state solution , this topic is about the latest developments in the Israel/Hamas war. Now go and do some homework

 

Netanyahu publicly rejects US push for Palestinian state

https://aseannow.com/topic/1317509-netanyahu-publicly-rejects-us-push-for-palestinian-state/