Big layoffs ahead in the automotive workshop sector - hold on to your hats!

[JBChiangRai]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

It doesn't matter that the ride-hailing companies that owned them failed, or because they were about to become obsolete, but the fact is the vehicles actually were and still are abandoned .

As I said in my first post, it was false because they were actually vehicles from companies that went bankrupt.

 

You can’t abandon something when you go bankrupt, you’re no longer the owner.

 

We’ve been over and debunked this article or other versions of it last year, it’s a fake story.  Chinese EV owners are NOT abandoning them, they love their EV’s.

Edited April 21 by JBChiangRai
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[vinny41]

One in five Chinese EV owners wouldn’t buy another

A report by McKinsey China has shown significant disillusionment among Chinese electric car owners in 2023, with 22% stating they wouldn’t consider new energy vehicles (NEVs) for their next car, 

The dissatisfaction among owners in smaller cities stems from inconvenient charging infrastructure, highlighting a major challenge faced by electric vehicle adoption in these regions.

However, this growth has outpaced infrastructure development, particularly in the provision of charging points, leading to grievances among electric vehicle owners, the report said.

https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

[vinny41]

Chinese EV owners queue for well over an hour for a charging station during holidays and then wait another average 50 minutes for the vehicle to charge, according to a 2023 report by the China Electric Vehicle Charging Infrastructure Promotion Alliance (EVCIPA). On busy days, long queues form on highways, and 70% of surveyed Chinese EV owners reported dissatisfaction with waiting times. In rural regions, charging stations are scarce or simply out of service.

https://restofworld.org/2024/ev-battery-swapping-china/

I have seen posts on Facebook groups in Thailand where the owner has access to both an EV and ICE vehicle choosing to use the ICE vehicle over Songkran rather than the EV

[JBChiangRai]

18 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

One in five Chinese EV owners wouldn’t buy another

A report by McKinsey China has shown significant disillusionment among Chinese electric car owners in 2023, with 22% stating they wouldn’t consider new energy vehicles (NEVs) for their next car, 

The dissatisfaction among owners in smaller cities stems from inconvenient charging infrastructure, highlighting a major challenge faced by electric vehicle adoption in these regions.

However, this growth has outpaced infrastructure development, particularly in the provision of charging points, leading to grievances among electric vehicle owners, the report said.

https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

And yet…

 

Chinese EV’s have a higher satisfaction rate than ICE in China

 

https://cnevpost.com/2023/02/08/chinese-consumer-satisfaction-with-nevs-exceeds-fuel-vehicles/

[JBChiangRai]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Chinese EV owners queue for well over an hour for a charging station during holidays and then wait another average 50 minutes for the vehicle to charge, according to a 2023 report by the China Electric Vehicle Charging Infrastructure Promotion Alliance (EVCIPA). On busy days, long queues form on highways, and 70% of surveyed Chinese EV owners reported dissatisfaction with waiting times. In rural regions, charging stations are scarce or simply out of service.

https://restofworld.org/2024/ev-battery-swapping-china/

I have seen posts on Facebook groups in Thailand where the owner has access to both an EV and ICE vehicle choosing to use the ICE vehicle over Songkran rather than the EV

Teething problems. China will add more charging stations.

 

I went with my lady friend & her new MG4 X-Power to a PTT station with an EV plus charger and we spent about 10 minutes downloading the app, loading a credit card, working out how it operated.

 

Then we disconnected and tried it as if it were a repeat and we were charging within two minutes we went to the Amazon next-door. We had a cup of coffee and when we came back, it was at 95%. Maybe 20 minutes tops.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

As I said in my first post, it was false because they were actually vehicles from companies that went bankrupt.

 

You can’t abandon something when you go bankrupt, you’re no longer the owner.

 

We’ve been over and debunked this article or other versions of it last year, it’s a fake story.  Chinese EV owners are NOT abandoning them, they love their EV’s.

Keep beating the EV drum, but not that many people here in Thailand really want one and can afford one. If is is a fake story then publish the link that denies that all those vehicles have not been dumped, abandoned or whatever.

 

You can deny it as much as you wish, but if those people wanted to get rid of their EV they would sell it for whatever price they can get for it. They would be foolish not to do so.

 

If you are right and I am wrong then ALL those reports must be fake as well.

 

Now I would rather believe the people who made those reports and put then out on the internet for anybody to look at and fact check, rather than believe you, when you can't even post a link proving that it is fake.

Edited April 21 by billd766

[JBChiangRai]

10 hours ago, billd766 said:

Keep beating the EV drum, but not that many people here in Thailand really want one and can afford one. If is is a fake story then publish the link that denies that all those vehicles have not been dumped, abandoned or whatever.

 

You can deny it as much as you wish, but if those people wanted to get rid of their EV they would sell it for whatever price they can get for it. They would be foolish not to do so.

 

If you are right and I am wrong then ALL those reports must be fake as well.

 

Now I would rather believe the people who made those reports and put then out on the internet for anybody to look at and fact check, rather than believe you, when you can't even post a link proving that it is fake.

 

The link is one of these 204 pages, I'm not going to waste time looking for stuff previously posted when your own link says they are from bankrupt ride share app companies.

[connda]

22 hours ago, steve187 said:

is that $10,000 in Thailand, what is it

~ ฿360,000 for the exchange rate challenged.  Suzuki Celerio.  Excellent city car and yet I've also toured Thailand in it.  Superior gas mileage. 

[josephbloggs]

16 hours ago, vinny41 said:

One in five Chinese EV owners wouldn’t buy another

A report by McKinsey China has shown significant disillusionment among Chinese electric car owners in 2023, with 22% stating they wouldn’t consider new energy vehicles (NEVs) for their next car, 

The dissatisfaction among owners in smaller cities stems from inconvenient charging infrastructure, highlighting a major challenge faced by electric vehicle adoption in these regions.

However, this growth has outpaced infrastructure development, particularly in the provision of charging points, leading to grievances among electric vehicle owners, the report said.

https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

New headline for you: 78% of Chinese EV owners happy with their choice.

"According to a survey conducted by the UK's Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) in 2020, approximately 75% of car owners in the UK are satisfied with their current vehicle.

Here's a breakdown of the survey's findings:

• 75% of respondents reported being "very satisfied" or "satisfied" with their current vehicle.
• 15% reported being "neutral" or "neither satisfied nor dissatisfied".
• 10% reported being "dissatisfied" or "very dissatisfied" with their current vehicle.

It's worth noting that these figures are based on a survey of over 2,000 UK car owners and may not be representative of the entire UK population. Additionally, the survey did not ask about specific aspects of car ownership, such as fuel efficiency, reliability, or maintenance costs.

It's also important to consider that car ownership is a complex and multifaceted issue, influenced by a range of factors, including personal preferences, lifestyle, and environmental concerns."

Can't link to it as it was a summary from Grok, but the point is obvious.

[vinny41]

35 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

New headline for you: 78% of Chinese EV owners happy with their choice.

"According to a survey conducted by the UK's Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) in 2020, approximately 75% of car owners in the UK are satisfied with their current vehicle.

Here's a breakdown of the survey's findings:

• 75% of respondents reported being "very satisfied" or "satisfied" with their current vehicle.
• 15% reported being "neutral" or "neither satisfied nor dissatisfied".
• 10% reported being "dissatisfied" or "very dissatisfied" with their current vehicle.

It's worth noting that these figures are based on a survey of over 2,000 UK car owners and may not be representative of the entire UK population. Additionally, the survey did not ask about specific aspects of car ownership, such as fuel efficiency, reliability, or maintenance costs.

It's also important to consider that car ownership is a complex and multifaceted issue, influenced by a range of factors, including personal preferences, lifestyle, and environmental concerns."

Can't link to it as it was a summary from Grok, but the point is obvious.

If you can't provide a link to support your post then your post is 100% pure bull<deleted>

If I posted something without providing supporting links I would expect to be told the same

The SMMT is not known for doing these types of Survey's and searching the SMMT website you will find zero results using keywords from your post 

https://www.smmt.co.uk/

Top 10 best-selling cars 2024

Without further ado, here are the UK’s official best-selling cars of 2024 so far, according to data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT).

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars-vans/94280/best-selling-cars

Not a single EV listed in the Top 10

Chinese EVs Become Virtually Uninsurable In UK Even Though There’s Nothing Wrong With Them

While Britain sees an influx of Chinese marques, many insurers are hesitant to underwrite the new EVs for a number of reasons

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/03/chinese-evs-become-virtually-uninsurable-in-the-uk-says-report/

Edited April 22 by vinny41
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[vinny41]

Overall New Energy Vehicle Owner Satisfaction Decreases, J.D. Power Finds

Interesting that only Deepal , GAC AION and Changan appear in the top 10 of Chinese Brands 

While Byd, Ora, Neta and Wuling appear in the Bottom top 10 of Chinese Brands 

The overall CXVI score for Chinese domestic brands in 2023 is 768, down 27 points from 795 in 2022, while the index score for international brands is 779, which is 23 points lower than the score in 2022.

CXVI = Customer Experience Value Index

https://china.jdpower.com/press-releases/2023-CXVI

[josephbloggs]

41 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

If you can't provide a link to support your post then your post is 100% pure bull<deleted>

If I posted something without providing supporting links I would expect to be told the same

The SMMT is not known for doing these types of Survey's and searching the SMMT website you will find zero results using keywords from your post 

https://www.smmt.co.uk/

Top 10 best-selling cars 2024

Without further ado, here are the UK’s official best-selling cars of 2024 so far, according to data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT).

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars-vans/94280/best-selling-cars

Not a single EV listed in the Top 10

No need to get your knickers in a twist. I am not claiming something surprising, You posted that 78% of Chinese customers were happy with their EV. I was merely pointing out that, generally, that is about the average for any type of vehicle. It's not a major claim, just common sense. If I said the sky was blue would you need a link? What about saying water was wet?

Of course some people will regret buying an EV if they haven't properly researched things. Buy one without home charging and you would regret it for sure. Buy one if you need to drive hundreds of kilometres at a time on a regular basis and you would probably regret it. You said 78% of people are happy, that sounds about right. The 22% made a mistake.

 

Personally I regret buying an ICEV as I spent 2.4m baht on it and now I could get a BYD Seal Performance for 800k less with better technology, much better performance (0-100kmh in an instantly accessible 3.8s as opposed to the sluggish, non linear and noisy 6.6s that I have now) and with a much nicer driving experience. I could buy a Deepal L07S for 1.15m baht less, and they are fantastic (I have been in one and it is gorgeous). Heck I could buy one for my wife too!  Of course they weren't on the market four years ago when I bought my ICEV but if I had my choice again today it would be a no brainer.

Edited April 22 by josephbloggs

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

No need to get your knickers in a twist. I am not claiming something surprising, You posted that 78% of Chinese customers were happy with their EV. I was merely pointing out that, generally, that is about the average for any type of vehicle. It's not a major claim, just common sense. If I said the sky was blue would you need a link? What about saying water was wet?

Of course some people will regret buying an EV if they haven't properly researched things. Buy one without home charging and you would regret it for sure. Buy one if you need to drive hundreds of kilometres at a time on a regular basis and you would probably regret it. You said 78% of people are happy, that sounds about right. The 22% made a mistake.

 

Personally I regret buying an ICEV as I spent 2.4m baht on it and now I could get a BYD Seal Performance for 800k less with better technology, much better performance (0-100kmh in an instantly accessible 3.8s as opposed to the sluggish, non linear and noisy 6.6s that I have now) and with a much nicer driving experience. I could buy a Deepal L07S for 1.15m baht less, and they are fantastic (I have been in one and it is gorgeous). Heck I could buy one for my wife too!  Of course they weren't on the market four years ago when I bought my ICEV but if I had my choice again today it would be a no brainer.

Please provide a link where I posted " You posted that 78% of Chinese customers were happy with their EV."

I know you can't provide a link to support your post like you can't provide a link to support your previous post on this thread

Looks like my summary of your posts were 100% correct your post is 100% pure bull

 

 

 

[josephbloggs]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Please provide a link where I posted " You posted that 78% of Chinese customers were happy with their EV."

I know you can't provide a link to support your post like you can't provide a link to support your previous post on this thread

Looks like my summary of your posts were 100% correct your post is 100% pure bull

 

Jeez, you forgot already that you posted that 22% regret their choice of an EV. Ergo 78% are happy with their choice, no? 

https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

Because it is so important to you I have found a link that shows that is kind of an average approval rating for a car. Here's how many people would buy the same car again (interestingly an EV brand tops the list, sorry) A 78% approval rating such as in your story is actually quite high.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/most-and-least-liked-car-brands-a1291429338/

[vinny41]

39 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Jeez, you forgot already that you posted that 22% regret their choice of an EV. Ergo 78% are happy with their choice, no? 

https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

Because it is so important to you I have found a link that shows that is kind of an average approval rating for a car. Here's how many people would buy the same car again (interestingly an EV brand tops the list, sorry) A 78% approval rating such as in your story is actually quite high.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/most-and-least-liked-car-brands-a1291429338/

Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy 

The article does state

The report shows that the proportion of electric car owners in third- and fourth-tier cities who regret their purchase stands at a striking 54%, compared with only 10% in first- and second-tier cities. The dissatisfaction among owners in smaller cities stems from inconvenient charging infrastructure, highlighting a major challenge faced by electric vehicle adoption in these regions.

https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

 

Your average approval rating is strange as now your quoting a US website previously you were quoting figures from a SMMT survey and most people should know that the 

The Society of Motor Manufacturers & Traders (SMMT) supports and promotes the interests of the UK automotive industry at home and abroad.

Best cars to own: Driver Power 2023 results

The best new cars to own in the UK right now according to the people who already do. It’s the 2023 Driver Power results!

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-power/95238/best-cars-to-own-driver-power-results

No ev's in the top 10 some do appear in the 11-75 listings

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-power/95238/best-cars-to-own-driver-power-results

Edited April 22 by vinny41
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[Photoguy21]

On 4/21/2024 at 1:51 PM, transam said:

Probably got a few quid, if you have, changing a care every couple of years is the norm, let the second hand buyer deal with any aggro.....😋

Agreed but the dealers know the cost to replace parts so how much would they really be willing to offer you? I would guess not a lot.

[JBChiangRai]

4 hours ago, connda said:

~ ฿360,000 for the exchange rate challenged.  Suzuki Celerio.  Excellent city car and yet I've also toured Thailand in it.  Superior gas mileage. 

 

You aren't Transam's "wife" perchance?

[Photoguy21]

On 4/21/2024 at 1:53 PM, JBChiangRai said:

 

Battery life is expected to be 18 to 20 years, and they typically say they should outlast the vehicle.

 

I sold the first EV because it was two years old, coming out of warranty, and a very expensive car and got out whilst there was still a long waiting list. It was ruinously expensive if it broke. A set of four tires was over ฿100,000 too.

 

I sold the second EV, an MG EP+ because I bought a BYD Seal Performance on a spur of the moment and passed down my MG4 to my daughter and sold her MG EP+ 

If you believe that I don't know what to say. There are so many reports of batteries not lasting that long. For any battery to last that long would be marvellous but I doubt if battery technology is sufficient to give half of what you state and that is optimistic. The type price you quote is an indication of how expensive they are and no one would take on a second hand car just knowing the price of tyres let alone anything else.

[Photoguy21]

On 4/21/2024 at 1:58 PM, vinny41 said:

Electric vehicle market faces risk from non-performing loans

Pinyo further explained that if these seized EVs were to be sold in the second-hand car market, it’s unlikely that financial institutions would provide loan schemes for potential buyers of used EVs. The lack of confidence in granting loans in the second-hand EV market stems from the market’s expected small size and the continued fluctuation in new EV prices, making it difficult for banks to calculate the value of used EVs, said Pinyo.

https://thethaiger.com/news/business/electric-vehicle-market-faces-risk-from-non-performing-loans

Agreed there is a lack of confidence and if you look around for reports their sceptic attitude is justified

[JBChiangRai]

21 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

If you believe that I don't know what to say. There are so many reports of batteries not lasting that long. For any battery to last that long would be marvellous but I doubt if battery technology is sufficient to give half of what you state and that is optimistic. The type price you quote is an indication of how expensive they are and no one would take on a second hand car just knowing the price of tyres let alone anything else.

 

There was an article about battery degradation some time back, they analysed a bunch of Tesla's and said 18+ years was normal, the article is in Electric Vehicles in Thailand or EV's vs ICE the debate thread somewhere.

 

The manufacturer of the EV I sold because of price concerns also sell a lot of ICE sports cars and all that manufacturer's models are ruinously expensive to service & repair, and all the tyres are ludicrously expensive for that brand, likewise insurance. None of these reasons were in any way due to it being an EV.

 

[josephbloggs]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy 

 

Sigh, it is simple maths. 22% regret their decision and wouldn't buy another EV. Subtract that from 100 and you get 78% who obviously are fine with their decision to buy an EV and wouldn't change it. No?

 

Quote

The article does state

The report shows that the proportion of electric car owners in third- and fourth-tier cities who regret their purchase stands at a striking 54%, compared with only 10% in first- and second-tier cities. The dissatisfaction among owners in smaller cities stems from inconvenient charging infrastructure, highlighting a major challenge faced by electric vehicle adoption in these regions.

https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

 

 

So 90% are happy in 1st and 2nd tier cities - great! That's a lot of people. China is a big place so if the infrastructure is poor in 3rd and 4th tier cities it stands to reason that the ratio would be lower. TBH I have no idea what the charging infrastructure is like in Chinese 3rd and 4th tier cities. Same as anywhere else - if you don't have home charging or need to drive long distances and there are not enough CSs then it's not going to be a happy ownership experience - that isn't news and no one denies it.

 

Quote

Your average approval rating is strange as now your quoting a US website previously you were quoting figures from a SMMT survey and most people should know that the 

The Society of Motor Manufacturers & Traders (SMMT) supports and promotes the interests of the UK automotive industry at home and abroad.

Best cars to own: Driver Power 2023 results

The best new cars to own in the UK right now according to the people who already do. It’s the 2023 Driver Power results!

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-power/95238/best-cars-to-own-driver-power-results

No ev's in the top 10 some do appear in the 11-75 listings

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-power/95238/best-cars-to-own-driver-power-results

Ok, let's just leave it. You posted a link that says 78% of EV owners in China wouldn't change their decision. I said that's about the average approval rating for most types of cars and you kept pestering for a link so I gave you one that happened to come from the States. I am not sure why you are fixated on this because it is not a massive claim, it is just life, and it is incidental. Let's move on as this is pointless.

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Sigh, it is simple maths. 22% regret their decision and wouldn't buy another EV. Subtract that from 100 and you get 78% who obviously are fine with their decision to buy an EV and wouldn't change it. No?

 

So 90% are happy in 1st and 2nd tier cities - great! That's a lot of people. China is a big place so if the infrastructure is poor in 3rd and 4th tier cities it stands to reason that the ratio would be lower. TBH I have no idea what the charging infrastructure is like in Chinese 3rd and 4th tier cities. Same as anywhere else - if you don't have home charging or need to drive long distances and there are not enough CSs then it's not going to be a happy ownership experience - that isn't news and no one denies it.

 

Ok, let's just leave it. You posted a link that says 78% of EV owners in China wouldn't change their decision. I said that's about the average approval rating for most types of cars and you kept pestering for a link so I gave you one that happened to come from the States. I am not sure why you are fixated on this because it is not a massive claim, it is just life, and it is incidental. Let's move on as this is pointless.

And Once again your posting rubbish please provide the link where I posted "You posted a link that says 78% of EV owners in China wouldn't change their decision." as I know that I didn't post such a link

All your claims of 78% are fake and Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy 

The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not all it states 

Once again a tissue of fake claims  try reading the article slowly

One in five Chinese EV owners wouldn’t buy another

A report by McKinsey China has shown significant disillusionment among Chinese electric car owners in 2023, with 22% stating they wouldn’t consider new energy vehicles (NEVs) for their next car,

The report shows that the proportion of electric car owners in third- and fourth-tier cities who regret their purchase stands at a striking 54%, compared with only 10% in first- and second-tier cities.

All your claims of 78% are fake and Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy 

The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

 

[JBChiangRai]

40 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And Once again your posting rubbish please provide the link where I posted "You posted a link that says 78% of EV owners in China wouldn't change their decision." as I know that I didn't post such a link

All your claims of 78% are fake and Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy 

The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not all it states 

Once again a tissue of fake claims  try reading the article slowly

One in five Chinese EV owners wouldn’t buy another

A report by McKinsey China has shown significant disillusionment among Chinese electric car owners in 2023, with 22% stating they wouldn’t consider new energy vehicles (NEVs) for their next car,

The report shows that the proportion of electric car owners in third- and fourth-tier cities who regret their purchase stands at a striking 54%, compared with only 10% in first- and second-tier cities.

All your claims of 78% are fake and Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy 

The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

 

 

Why do you bother?

 

I don't understand your motivation for hating EV's, have you ever driven one?

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Why do you bother?

 

I don't understand your motivation for hating EV's, have you ever driven one?

I wouldn't expect you to allow anyone on this forum to get away with posting fake information about EV's or ICE vehicles on this forum unless it was favorable towards EV's

I don't plan on changing vehicles until 2028 

And yes I have driven an EV

 

[josephbloggs]

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Why do you bother?

 

I don't understand your motivation for hating EV's, have you ever driven one?

I don't get it. I hate beetroot, just my personal taste. I don't go on vegetable forums and tell people beetroot are stupid, that 22% of people who bought a beetroot didn't like it, I don't search for links and surveys to try to convince people who like beetroot that they are wrong. Why would I waste my time doing that? I just don't like beetroot.

I honestly don't understand the motivation of these people. Why not just say "I don't like EVs, I prefer petrol". That would be fine as it is a personal opinion. Say you don't like them and move on and get on with your day. What triggers people so much about a different propulsion method that they have to waste their time (and ours) posting nonsense about it?

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

I don't get it. I hate beetroot, just my personal taste. I don't go on vegetable forums and tell people beetroot are stupid, that 22% of people who bought a beetroot didn't like it, I don't search for links and surveys to try to convince people who like beetroot that they are wrong. Why would I waste my time doing that? I just don't like beetroot.

I honestly don't understand the motivation of these people. Why not just say "I don't like EVs, I prefer petrol". That would be fine as it is a personal opinion. Say you don't like them and move on and get on with your day. What triggers people so much about a different propulsion method that they have to waste their time (and ours) posting nonsense about it?

And I don't get why you would post that I posted a link claiming xxx when I clearly didn't post such a link

And why you attempt to extrapolate a point of view where no such information is available from within the article

https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

If you think my posts are  nonsense and wasting your time the simply answer is to ignore them and don't reply

Edited April 22 by vinny41
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[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

And Once again your posting rubbish please provide the link where I posted "You posted a link that says 78% of EV owners in China wouldn't change their decision." as I know that I didn't post such a link

All your claims of 78% are fake and Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy 

The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not all it states 

Once again a tissue of fake claims  try reading the article slowly

One in five Chinese EV owners wouldn’t buy another

A report by McKinsey China has shown significant disillusionment among Chinese electric car owners in 2023, with 22% stating they wouldn’t consider new energy vehicles (NEVs) for their next car,

The report shows that the proportion of electric car owners in third- and fourth-tier cities who regret their purchase stands at a striking 54%, compared with only 10% in first- and second-tier cities.

All your claims of 78% are fake and Your claimed 78% are happy with their choice is a figment of your imagination there isn't a single mention in the article where it states that 78% are happy 

The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not https://chinaeconomicreview.com/one-in-five-chinese-ev-owners-wouldnt-buy-another/

 

Ok, I'll try one last time. Oh, and by the way, you can't have it both ways. You posted an article that says 22% of Chinese EV owners surveyed said they would not buy another one. You're happy to post that. But when I say that means 78% are fine with their decision you say it's not allowed because "The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not".

 

So it's ok to post the negative aspect without knowing the exact question asked but not ok to infer the opposite without knowing the exact question asked.

So, if the article is saying 22% of those asked said they wouldn't buy another EV what question do you think they were asked? Do they like turnips? What's their favourite colour? Or perhaps "would you buy another EV?". Maybe?

I hope you can see the hypocrisy now. Probably not, but for sure everyone else can.

 

[JBChiangRai]

4 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ok, I'll try one last time. Oh, and by the way, you can't have it both ways. You posted an article that says 22% of Chinese EV owners surveyed said they would not buy another one. You're happy to post that. But when I say that means 78% are fine with their decision you say it's not allowed because "The article doesn't mention if they are asked the question are you happy with your choice of vehicle or not".

 

 

Maybe some of the other 78% don't understand the question, because they are intellectually challenged like (insert EV haters names here).

[billd766]

10 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

The link is one of these 204 pages, I'm not going to waste time looking for stuff previously posted when your own link says they are from bankrupt ride share app companies.

So you are too lazy to search for a link to refute the link I posted, and rherefore I am supposed to accept your unsupported word.

 

To quote my old teacher at secondary school.

 

Poor effort, must try harder.

 

He was right about me, just as I am right about you.

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4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Maybe some of the other 78% don't understand the question, because they are intellectually challenged like (insert EV haters names here).

I don't think I recall an EV hater here, but I do recall folk, including me, putting questions forward to keep things going............🤗