Two New Zealand Men Arrested in Phuket for Alleged Brutal Assault on Traffic Cop

[1happykamper]

Gave him a gift basket 🤦🏻🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. That only works if you are Thai. 

 

Idiots will now go to prison. 

[moe666]

4 hours ago, superal said:

I believe there were other cops turning up , so no escape , if that was ever on their minds .

Nothing was on their minds after a stunt like that. My wife was carrying on about it I told her they do the same stuff in there on country, you do not come to Thailand and get stupid over night even if it seems that way

[tamsam6]

Anyone else here the standing guy say "he tried to kill us" ?

Looks like the officer had his weapon out and in his own possession in one of the still shots.

Will be interesting to follow this.  But clearly the media has dubbed it another case of "bad bad foreigner"

[alien365]

14 minutes ago, gjoo888 said:

Hopefully they'll spend a lot of time in Thailand...behind the walls of a prison. Lucky for the Kiwis that their parents are wealthy, it's their best and maybe only chance of seeing NZ again in the near future.

I'd rather the people deciding their fate have access to all of the CCTV and then decide what happens to them. If they were to charge them, I'd rather see a large fine and send them back to New Zealand. No one was injured and the prisons are already full. What benefit is there of sending them to a Thai jail apart from causing mental and potentially physical suffering to two people who caused pretty much zero damage. Prisons in my opinion should be used to keep dangerous people away from the public, not for revenge.

[jvs]

2 minutes ago, tamsam6 said:

Anyone else here the standing guy say "he tried to kill us" ?

Looks like the officer had his weapon out and in his own possession in one of the still shots.

Will be interesting to follow this.  But clearly the media has dubbed it another case of "bad bad foreigner"

If they would have just stopped when asked to, none of this would have happened.

There was another thread a week or so ago,it was about how smart people really are?

These two guys who have a high paying job and probably not really stupid in their work but how smart are they really?

They also knew they did not have a license to legally operate a motorbike.

No matter how you try to spin this these two guys are stupid!

 

 

[Bday Prang]

3 minutes ago, alien365 said:

I'd rather the people deciding their fate have access to all of the CCTV and then decide what happens to them. If they were to charge them, I'd rather see a large fine and send them back to New Zealand. No one was injured and the prisons are already full. What benefit is there of sending them to a Thai jail apart from causing mental and potentially physical suffering to two people who caused pretty much zero damage. Prisons in my opinion should be used to keep dangerous people away from the public, not for revenge.

And firearms should be used as a last resort, and in my opinion only when faced with an armed assailant,   there are other options available,  mace spray and tazers for example,  He had his gun out and ready to fire, had he shot either or both of them it would be a completely different story. 

[Wrwest]

10 hours ago, milesinnz said:

As a New Zealander, I can confirm that NZ is full of arrogant entitled p***** ... looking forward to leaving permanently... to SE Asia....

 

In my many thousands of KMs of motorcycling in Thailand, I was ALWAYS stopped at EVERY road check point, even as Thai's without helmets passed by without being stopped.

 

Once I was stopped about 3 times in maybe 20 kms (I have no idea what there were so many check points). I complained to the senior Police Officer there. He was very friendly. Funny, the next two check points I went though I was not stopped the only time this has ever happened = not being stopped at a Police check point.

 

There can have been no possible sane reason why these two nutters ended up in the situation they did other than their own arrogance, entitlement and stupidity.

 

I think too many western people tend to demand the same standards in a SE Asian country as they expect in their own country, forgetting that they are guests in this country and need to abide by the laws and customs of that country. As they say, when in Rome xxx xx x

 

 

Here in Chiang Mai, I am usually waived through. Perhaps the officer recognized me as I am usually on the motorbike with my Thai wife and we always wear helmets. When I am pulled over at the traffic check point, I show my Thai License, the tax sticker is clearly visible. The officer, thanks me, gives me a smile and waves me on.  Experiences vary.

[FritsSikkink]

9 hours ago, ricklev said:

That said, maybe they did act violently against the police.  I don't know. 

 

Maybe? Watch the video.

[FritsSikkink]

9 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

 they could have been acting in self defence, could have been a drunk cop overacting and turned his gun on these two, looks like thesudued the officer and were holding his gun, they were not pointing it at him, I'll bet the cop was on something. 

How do you know?

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Wrwest said:

Here in Chiang Mai, I am usually waived through. Perhaps the officer recognized me as I am usually on the motorbike with my Thai wife and we always wear helmets. When I am pulled over at the traffic check point, I show my Thai License, the tax sticker is clearly visible. The officer, thanks me, gives me a smile and waves me on.  Experiences vary.

 

   Have you thought about writing a book about your experiences ?

[Bday Prang]

4 minutes ago, jvs said:

If they would have just stopped when asked to, none of this would have happened.

There was another thread a week or so ago,it was about how smart people really are?

These two guys who have a high paying job and probably not really stupid in their work but how smart are they really?

They also knew they did not have a license to legally operate a motorbike.

No matter how you try to spin this these two guys are stupid!

 

 

Thousands of people, both foreigners and Thais ride motorbikes without a licence here , its a common misdemeanor here, and not really a big deal. 

                In view of that their behaviour was unbelievably  stupid in the extreme, effectively upping the ante considerably from a fine of a few hundred baht. But as has been said before, consider how stupid the average person is and then understand that half of the world's population is even more stupid than that

[Captain Monday]

38 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I know nothing about guns but apparently it was a Sig Sauer

Some of their range have been identified as misfiring frequently It has something to do with the external manual safety tab

 

https://www.thetrace.org/2023/04/sig-sauer-p320-upgrade-safety/

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

6 hours ago, ryandb said:

Is there photos of them fleeing? evidence of the Road Traffic Offenses outside of the police statement of this right now? 

 

I've only seen video of them restraining the cop, I'm sure there will be some eye witness statements appear in time but right now there is no evidence of what the police stated happened before the video

You are not allowed to restrain a cop and take his gun away. There is no need for proof they fled.

[CM Dad]

Why are posters defending the two from New Zealand?  They should face the maximum consequences for their foolish actions - maximum fines plus maximum jail time plus lifetime bans on ever entering Thailand again.

 

 

[georgegeorgia]

1 hour ago, Hellfire said:

I heard that in New Zealand they give an award to anybody attacking a policeman and especially to those who manage to get the policeman's weapon during the attack. Vastly different legal system!

Strange ,NZ police don't carry guns unlike Australia 🦘

[parallelman]

Just been looking at a NZ news channel. The parents of the brothers have spoken but the quotes given were short saying they hope this ends well. Don' think that is likely.

[UbonEagle]

I would say, incompetent as they generally are, most Thai cops are very chilled and good at de escalating situations 

who knows this plod may have got carried away but the numscull kiwi lads are going to learn the hard/expensive way from this misadventure 

[Bday Prang]

20 minutes ago, tamsam6 said:

Anyone else here the standing guy say "he tried to kill us" ?

Looks like the officer had his weapon out and in his own possession in one of the still shots.
Will be interesting to follow this.  But clearly the media has dubbed it another case of "bad bad foreigner"

Regardless of what they did or didn't say, had the armed cop seriously wanted to kill them (which I doubt was ever  his intention ) they would probably be dead, and the cop, would have some serious explaining to do on his way to an "inactive post"   He may have threatened to shoot them , but the traditional and common sense response would be to put ones hands in the air . Regardless of  what actually happened the Police will have no trouble putting this to bed and appearing totally innocent, which they probably are in all fairness, likewise   the media's coverage of this is totally predictable and who could blame them

[Photoguy21]

10 hours ago, Emeraldisle said:

Perhaps they were reacting to Thai police extorting Farangs. ??????

Interesting how the concept of extortion by police is frequently brought up. I have been stopped by the police and never has anything unprofessional occurred. Could it be the people the police stop and who allegedly experience such acts, law breakers and get a bit anti that they have been stopped?

[Bday Prang]

8 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

You are not allowed to restrain a cop and take his gun away

 A very sweeping statement , but I would suggest there are certain circumstances where one would be applauded for doing just that.   Although I very much doubt that was the case in this incident 

[Captain Monday]

58 minutes ago, zakalwe said:

The "internal" safety in the Glock line is to prevent accidental discharge from like dropping the gun. It is disengaged when pulling the trigger.

A fine weapon.

Any manufacturer will tell you their pistols are drop safe, we know from experience no semi-auto is “safe” unless it is sitting on the bench with the slide back, mag removed, and verified clear. 
 

Be  careful wrestling with cops for their guns. Most likely locked and loaded. 

Edited March 18 by Captain Monday

[JensenZ]

9 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I was more worried by the extreme anti-white racism of the male newsreader than anything else.

Check out the anti-foreigner sentiment (we don't need to talk racism here) in the comments on the YouTube video. 

 

Here's a translated example:

"Foreigners, no matter who they are, come to Thailand, become gods, become VIP guests, but Thai people go to foreigners. Even if you are a good person No matter how much power and money you have, you are a second-class person in his house."

 

 

[Bday Prang]

8 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

Be  careful wrestling with cops for their guns. Most likely locked and loaded.

Sound advice, for anybody considering behaving in a similar manner in the future, Although better advice would be simply "don't do it "

[rexpotter]

They simply didn't know the game and also, I've never been chased by them or seen any Thia cop chase anyone?

Why?

[sambum]

4 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Difficult to say, given that before I saw that quote, I'd already read several articles that shed more light on how things had unfolded.

Funny, that! I've trawled through a few pages here and you are the only one to quote "several articles" "multiple other sources", "other reports", "various articles", and "multiple different sources" - all in a couple of hours.

 

Not that I'm doubting your wide range of reading matter, it just seems unusual that nobody else seems to have seen any other reports on this incident? 

[alien365]

17 minutes ago, CM Dad said:

Why are posters defending the two from New Zealand?  They should face the maximum consequences for their foolish actions - maximum fines plus maximum jail time plus lifetime bans on ever entering Thailand again.

 

 

I don't understand why posters like you have to go to such extremes and wish such hardship on others. By your words, their actions were foolish, that means lacking good sense or judgement. I thought maximum everything would be for intent, not making a bad call. 

[jaideedave]

45 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

And firearms should be used as a last resort, and in my opinion only when faced with an armed assailant,   there are other options available,  mace spray and tazers for example,  He had his gun out and ready to fire, had he shot either or both of them it would be a completely different story. 

IMHO If the cop took out his gun to enforce the law (traffic violation) then the whole story changes.He wasn't expecting any resistance to a drawn gun.I'm not defending the Kiwis but that fact should be made public.

[zyphodb]

5 hours ago, rexpotter said:

The guy standing up seems to quite terrified of the whole thing and trying to stop something from getting worse.

 

The sensible one of the two...

 

[jesimps]

15 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

Interesting how the concept of extortion by police is frequently brought up. I have been stopped by the police and never has anything unprofessional occurred. Could it be the people the police stop and who allegedly experience such acts, law breakers and get a bit anti that they have been stopped?

In my 17 years of driving my car here I've been stopped and fined 200 baht each time on made up violations. Each time I gave them a wry smile, paid up and got on my way. What's the point in causing a scene for a couple of hundred baht? Even if these guys hadn't been speeding and all over the road, they had no motorbike licence so were breaking the law. Why risk a barney with a copper resulting in possible jail time over paying a small fine?

[Bday Prang]

3 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

Check out the anti-foreigner sentiment (we don't need to talk racism here) in the comments on the YouTube video. 

 

Here's a translated example:

"Foreigners, no matter who they are, come to Thailand, become gods, become VIP guests, but Thai people go to foreigners. Even if you are a good person No matter how much power and money you have, you are a second-class person in his house."

 

 

So they equate having money and power with being a good person.   I always suspected that.    And those who consider themselves rich and powerful don't like to be considered second class ,  No surprises there either.

  

A more enlightened comment would have been something along the lines of..." There are millions and millions of people who visit Thailand every year, its a vital part of our economy, naturally there will always be problems and misunderstandings but thankfully events like this are very very rare,"