Two New Zealand Men Arrested in Phuket for Alleged Brutal Assault on Traffic Cop

[Aussie999]

6 minutes ago, zzzzz said:

"Meanwhile, the millionaire parents of the two suspects, who are brothers, have spoken to the New Zealand press about the situation, which you can read here. In brief, they stated they were shocked by the situation, had obtained the services of a lawyer, and described the suspects as “[b]Just two kids on vacation[/b]”, stressing that both men had families and children of their own who were deeply concerned about them.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/watch-parents-of-kiwi-brothers-arrested-in-thailand-speak-as-video-shows-fight-for-control-of-cops-pistol/6CJNBFDOGFHVDB5IRKHJEICKMU/

 

 

General Surachet has informed the press that he has instructed Major General Songprod Sirisukkha, the Immigration Region 6 Commander, to cancel the visas of the two New Zealand men in question and prohibit their entry into Thailand in the future. The Chalong Police Chief, Colonel Eakkarat Plaiduang, revealed that these two individuals are currently being taken to the Phuket Provincial Court today (March 18th).

The two suspects are facing charges related to robbery, assaulting or resisting an officer on duty, and driving without a valid license. Despite allegedly attempting to bribe the police to avoid further charges, their efforts were unsuccessful.

https://thephuketexpress.com/2024/03/18/update-two-new-zealand-suspects-in-alleged-assault-of-thai-cop-to-have-visas-revoked-head-to-court/

 

The Bangkok Post reported that the Days initially sped up before stopping, allegedly shouting at the police officer who recorded their actions on his mobile phone.

At that point, it was alleged, the New Zealand tourists attempted to block the recording in an altercation that turned physical and led to a shot being fired from the officer’s automatic pistol during a scuffle for control of the weapon.

 

Seems the cop pulled his weapon, for what is a misdemeanour, and with a language barrier  and the RTP reputation  these guys simply defended themselves,  just look at the video, the NZ guy is only restraining the cop, who bit off more than he could chew.

[Regyai]

The Vid clip seemed devoid of the discharge

 

But assuming there was one prior to the clip and with the 'make safe' member of the pair clearly exclaiming 'he tried to kill us' to some Thai squawking away off-camera. It's easy to see a more benign interpretation.

 

Good luck rowing your way out of this one though.

[ryandb]

13 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

These weren't Jews running from the Gestapo. It was a couple of guys running away from a traffic ticket and who escalated things to the point that they were holding a gun on a Thai policeman. There are other, smart ways, to handle a situation where you think you are being robbed (of which there is no evidence in this current incident). But a smart person would have acted like the Taiwanese actress a year ago, who paid the bribe, then went public, and got results: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/six-thai-police-officers-indicted-for-extorting-money-from-taiwanese-actress/

 

This is how a sane, high IQ person behaves. 

 

You nor I have no clue what happened before the video, but you seem so convinced they were not cornered into this situation. It's really mindboggling how some from a snippet of a video and the police statement think that they know the entire story.

[Nip]

2 hours ago, rexpotter said:

Something stinks

Yes the two FN low life Kiwi's. Their problems wiil begin in the holding cell below Phuket Court and they end up with a broom handle up their .... Thats a video I would like to see. These guys will have form and it will start to unravel soon. 

[kwaussie]

Cant believe they wouldnt just pay a small fine and on there way, this is going to cost them a <deleted> load of money and obviously never return.

[georgegeorgia]

1 minute ago, Ben Zioner said:

Any tourist, wishing to return after a first visit to Thailand needs to get his head examined. Thailand 2024 has very little in common with Thailand 2009 and nothing with Thailand 1980.

 

So many greater and welcoming places to visit. Even Malaysia has a lot more attraction.

Seems a bit ...I wouldn't call it discrimination..but why didn't you mention the Philippines?

Why Malaysia, the Philippines is just😧as good!!

[Aussie999]

4 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Had no issues with them. Very friendly.

 

 

Mate  you are only 1 person, geez, are you going to use your experience to "prove" how "nice" the RTP are... SMH 

[Aussie999]

3 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Well where was you !

Do something!! 

Sorry, speak clear English

[Jonathan Swift]

11 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

At the very least Im hoping for a public  lynching, decapitation , put thru a mincer, made into jam and given free  to all Thai nationals as a  lesson to us  all. Clicks  machine goes into overdrive

So you’re one of the ones who thinks the perceived imaginary anti farang attitudes are so unfair even in the face of something like this, and serving up the justice they deserve, and doing it publicly which they also deserve, amounts to lynching? I think you should leave, you’re not helping. You’re not doing yourself any favors either with such absurd comments.

[georgegeorgia]

3 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Mate  you are only 1 person, geez, are you going to use your experience to "prove" how "nice" the RTP are... SMH 

Has this Tiger muay Thai involved.

We can't have these guys attacking people 

Do something!

[Nip]

1 minute ago, ryandb said:

 

You nor I have no clue what happened before the video, but you seem so convinced they were not cornered into this situation. It's really mindboggling how some from a snippet of a video and the police statement think that they know the entire story.

You are clearly as big a gob daw as they are. I doubt they would do it in the USA or anywhere else. They would be char grilled in a funeral home by now. ASEAN should have intelligence tests for all posting on here. You are lucky they don't.

[Dolf]

3 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Mate  you are only 1 person, geez, are you going to use your experience to "prove" how "nice" the RTP are... SMH 

Isn't that what you are doing? 20 to 40m tourists a year. How many wrestle with cops?

Maybe look up the stats

 

[CecilM]

How is Thailand portrayed overseas that people could think it's acceptable to overpower and disarm a police officer?

If police tell me to stop, I stop. And if police were to draw a gun then I really stop and drop. 

[Jack Hammer]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are more likely to only meet the pleasant ones in Thailand. The unpleasant ones have no problem getting it for free in NZ, so why would they go to Thailand? They'd likely have zero interest in temples.

Would they have any interest in horizontal folk dancing

[traveller101]

7 minutes ago, Jimbo 12345 said:

So what if the cop asked for money?????   You know fine well what happens in Thailand,  take the chance,  or get a license,  don't speed,  wear a helmet, dont drink and drive,  these 2 wasters were speeding,  no helmets,  don't know if they have a license,  don't know if they had a beer,  it's all immaterial,  they didn't stop,  tough sh@t boys,  you going down,  I for 1 hope you get 10 years in prison.  

" 2 wasters were speeding, no helmets ....." I for 1 hope you open your eyes and watch the video (both wore helmets) before blurting BS. 

No evidence for speeding whatsoever apart from the cop's conjecture.

[Dolf]

6 minutes ago, kwaussie said:

Cant believe they wouldnt just pay a small fine and on there way, this is going to cost them a <deleted> load of money and obviously never return.

Well yes between 200 and 500 baht each. Dumb and dumber.

[georgegeorgia]

1 minute ago, Jonathan Swift said:

So you’re one of the ones who thinks the perceived imaginary anti farang attitudes are so unfair even in the face of something like this, and serving up the justice they deserve, and doing it publicly which they also deserve, amounts to lynching? I think you should leave, you’re not helping. You’re not doing yourself any favors either with such absurd comments.

Absolutely spot on

These kids need to be punished no doubt , BUT ...2 wrongs don't make a right ,and they need a listening ear to change their behaviour such as anger management 

[ryandb]

2 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Has this Tiger muay Thai involved.

We can't have these guys attacking people 

Do something!

What's your obsession with Tiger Muay Thai, did you lose money betting against Petr Yan last weekend?

[Smokin Joe]

11 minutes ago, DjSilver said:

It was self-defense. My guess, is that the foreigners were only acting in self-defense and that is how the police should act like happened. 

 

I don't know of any country where resisting arrest is considered self defense.

[ryandb]

4 minutes ago, Nip said:

You are clearly as big a gob daw as they are. I doubt they would do it in the USA or anywhere else. They would be char grilled in a funeral home by now. ASEAN should have intelligence tests for all posting on here. You are lucky they don't.

 

Why exactly? Because I believe in evidence before public lynching. It seems you guys all believe the police would never overstep the boundaries despite thousands of videos to the contrary in existence.

[cardinalblue]

Will they get a fair hearing and trial?

 

thais have already made up their minds based on nationalism…

 

what lead to the initial physical altercation for them to get in a struggle and how did the gun go off? The cop doesn’t keep the safety on or was it released by someone?

[Toby1947]

8 hours ago, Kiwiken said:

According to initial reports on NZ news the two claim the Police officer attempted to attack them and they acted in Self Defence.

Probably spot on. 

[ryandb]

5 hours ago, Smokin Joe said:

 

I don't know of any country where resisting arrest is considered self defense.

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

[Mike Lister]

1 minute ago, ryandb said:

 

Why exactly? Because I believe in evidence before public lynching. It seems you guys all believe the police would never overstep the boundaries despite thousands of videos to the contrary in existence.

"Evidence before public lynching"? The AN jury usually prefers to skip that unnecessary step, it wastes time.

[Jack Hammer]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are more likely to only meet the pleasant ones in Thailand. The unpleasant ones have no problem getting it for free in NZ, so why would they go to Thailand? They'd likely have zero interest in temples.

I think the two New Zealand guys are OK guys. While Oscar had the strangle hold on the policeman Hamish didn’t lay the boot in. They do have some ethics. Not like a Farang being assaulted by six “security” guards outside a bar

[Dolf]

5 minutes ago, ryandb said:

 

Why exactly? Because I believe in evidence before public lynching. It seems you guys all believe the police would never overstep the boundaries despite thousands of videos to the contrary in existence.

There issue isnt with people online. It is assaulting a police officer doing their duty. This is not a joke. 

[jvs]

53 minutes ago, george said:

UPDATE:

Parents of Kiwi Brothers Arrested in Thailand Speak as Video Shows Fight for Control of Cop's Pistol

 

The parents of two young New Zealand men arrested in Thailand have made a desperate plea for help amidst a legal nightmare unfolding for their sons. Shocking video has emerged, depicting their sons in a violent struggle with Thai police, raising grave concerns about the brothers' treatment and accusations against them.

 

The exact circumstances leading to the confrontation with police remain disputed. Initial reports indicate the men were stopped by Thai police for a traffic-related matter. A chaotic altercation followed, with allegations that the brothers physically assaulted officers.

 

Disturbing footage shows one of the brothers wrestling on the ground with an officer, appearing to attempt to seize control of the officer's firearm. Additional officers intervene, and the men were eventually subdued and placed under arrest.

 

The parents of the young men, clearly shaken and desperate for answers, have spoken publicly. They state that their sons, while spirited, have never been in trouble with the law before. The family is urgently working to secure experienced legal representation for their sons in Thailand, a country with a vastly different legal system than New Zealand.

 

The parents express deep concern about their sons' well-being in Thai custody. They are also seeking clarity on the specific charges, which could have severe consequences under Thai law.

 

The New Zealand Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) has confirmed their awareness of the incident. Consular officials are in contact with the family and are expected to work with Thai authorities to safeguard the rights and welfare of the two New Zealand citizens.

 

MFAT's role typically includes facilitating communication between detainees and their families, locating qualified legal counsel, and monitoring conditions of detention. However, diplomatic powers in influencing the legal process of a sovereign nation are limited.

 

Legal specialists caution that the brothers are likely to face an uphill legal battle in Thailand. The allegations of assaulting police officers, and particularly the concerning struggle over a firearm, carry potentially substantial penalties.

 

Cultural and linguistic barriers, along with complexities of the Thai legal system, pose additional obstacles in mounting a successful defense. The brothers' lack of a criminal record could be a mitigating factor, but experts warn that the seriousness of the charges cannot be understated.

 

-- ASEAN NOW 2024-03-15

Spirited?You mean arrogant because daddy has money right?

[Toby1947]

Yeah and they took his gun from a buttoned down holster. Obviously the little sh*t had pulled the gun on them properly for a money shake down. We all know who should be facing the Monkey House 

[jvs]

5 minutes ago, ryandb said:

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

Have you noticed?

This happened in Thailand and not in Kansas.

[ryandb]

1 minute ago, jvs said:

Have you noticed?

This happened in Thailand and not in Kansas.

yes but he said anywhere in the world.....