Trump unable to get $464m bond in New York fraud case, his lawyers say

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, bamnutsak said:

 

So this is a good thing? Right?

 

 

If it gets Trump elected it is a very good thing.

The more they persecute him the more likely he is to win.

Ordinary people don't like the justice system being used to stop political opponents winning. They also don't like outrageous amounts being applied in an attempt to stop him appealing.

[bamnutsak]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ordinary people don't like the justice system being used to stop political opponents winning.

 

But, according to you, the witch hunts will not stop trump from winning, they will again according to you, enhance his chances of winning.

 

I would think you would be over the moon with each indictment.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, bamnutsak said:

 

But, according to you, the witch hunts will not stop trump from winning, they will again according to you, enhance his chances of winning.

 

I would think you would be over the moon with each indictment.

 

 

You just confirmed what I think with that quote.

I am over the moon with the prospect that each indictment will increase his chances of winning.

Go Donald, go.

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Whatever happens, it is just going to make Trump more popular and garner more votes. Every time the so called "justice system" is used to attack him it only serves to increase his likelihood of winning in November.

 

$83 million for an "accusation" of sexual abuse and defamation! C'mon man, that abuse by the legal system.

Every time I read nonsense like this it just makes me hope more for him to win and get revenge on the lot of them.

It's gonna be sweet!

You are cheering on an adjudicated rapist.

 

Aren't you surprised that your man Trump is not as wealthy as he claimed?

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

You are cheering on an adjudicated rapist.

 

Aren't you surprised that your man Trump is not as wealthy as he claimed?

and you are posting <deleted>.

Nothing about Trump surprises me.

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and you are posting <deleted>.

Nothing about Trump surprises me.

I presume that his lies don't bother you a bit.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I presume that his lies don't bother you a bit.

No.

 

Correction as that could be read as yes they do bother me. To be precise, no they do not bother me a bit. I just want him to win and deal to Biden and his IMO cabal.

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No

When you are that deep in the Cult of Trump, nothing that your Leader does can bother you.

 

Fortunately, it seems that most of the Cult members here are not US citizens, so you can have no impact on the November election.

 

I guess you can donate to the GoFundMe for Trump's appeal, but that looks to have dried up far short of the goal.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

When you are that deep in the Cult of Trump, nothing that your Leader does can bother you.

 

Fortunately, it seems that most of the Cult members here are not US citizens, so you can have no impact on the November election.

 

I guess you can donate to the GoFundMe for Trump's appeal, but that looks to have dried up far short of the goal.

You must be bored to be posting such tripe. I'm going to look at something more interesting than your twitterings.

[TorquayFan]

thaibeachlover - I agree that the level of damages awarded in the US Courts is EXCESSIVE but that's the way it is - it's not just tailored for Trump and he is not being persecuted at all. It's simple - he has broken the Law, (countless times).

 

There's 6 months to go and it's my opinion Trump's descent into 'looneytunes' territory will lose him all but his most ardent supporters. Have a look at Trump's Dayton speech - he's really lost it!

 

Of course Joe Biden is too old to stand again but he is the much lesser of two evils.

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Fortunately, it seems that most of the Cult members here are not US citizens, so you can have no impact on the November election.

Neither it seems to me are a lot of the Trump detractors

[Danderman123]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You must be bored to be posting such tripe. I'm going to look at something more interesting than your twitterings.

Thanks!

 

What are you going to do when Trump loses in November, and all that Trump will be doing is shuffling between courtrooms?

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

You do realize that trump has significant real estate holdings in NY state.

how many holdings does he have compared to the amount of money he may owe/debt/lenders on these holdings, what's the equity left if any, maybe not a lot as nobody appears to be willing to use these holdings as collateral

[billd766]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Not for much longer after they steal them to pay off that woman and anything else they can invent.

Why would the court need to steal ANY properties?

 

He was accused, had his days in court. judged my a jury of his peers who who on the evidence decided that he was guilty as charged.

 

He stood before the judge as any other person would do, and the pronounced sentence.

 

Now if he is as rich as he pretends to be, all he has to do is put up the money or post a bond for the amount. That no company will put up the bond as their assessors don't believe that he has enough funds available, is Trump's problem.

 

From what I can gather, he can sell his properties in NY, provided that they are un-encumbered by loans, mortgages, etc, raise the funds that way. pay the fines and that will be OK.

 

However if/when the properties are sold, they may not reach the price that Trump thinks they are worth as the assessors will not be working for him. but for the courts and what they think the properties will be worth on the open market.

[jerrymahoney]

14 minutes ago, billd766 said:

He was accused, had his days in court. judged my a jury of his peers who who on the evidence decided that he was guilty as charged.

Ix-Nay. This was a 'bench trial' with no jury. It was a civil trial not a criminal trial so Trump et al was found liable, not guilty.

 

From the actual 16FEB2024 Judge Engoron ruling:

 

Decision and Order
After Non-Jury Trial

[billd766]

6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Ix-Nay. This was a 'bench trial' with no jury. It was a civil trial not a criminal trial so Trump et al was found liable, not guilty.

Did Trump himself ask for a bench trial and NOT a jury trial?

 

If so then he brought it on himself.

 

About 2,910,000 results (0.32 seconds) 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-trial-no-jury-fraud-new-york-judge-arthur-engoron/

 

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-bench-trial-new-york-fraud-rcna118455

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-no-jury-bench-trial-ny-fraud-case-paperwork-2023-10

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-civil-fraud-trial-jury-b2423006.html

 

Lots more links where they came from.

[jerrymahoney]

So what? There was no jury. And this was not a criminal trial so no guilty and no sentence.

Judge in Trump's New York fraud trial explains why there's no jury
By Graham Kates

October 11, 2023 / 3:51 PM EDT / CBS News

Former President Donald Trump did not request a jury for his New York civil fraud trial, but even if he had asked for one, the answer would've been "no," a judge said Wednesday.

 

Judge Arthur Engoron addressed an issue that had been the subject of speculation on social media and by Trump himself, saying it "keeps coming up," even though he doesn't "read the papers or go online to read about" the trial.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-trial-no-jury-fraud-new-york-judge-arthur-engoron/

[spidermike007]

A bonding company would typically stay away from a weasel or a huckster, who has made a career out of being a scoundrel who does not repay his debts. A large part of his fortune is money stolen from small contractors. In this day and age it's a whole lot easier to get rich if you have no morality and you're willing to scam everyone you do business with. It's a lot tougher to be a businessman with integrity and make a good living. I definitely understand why they won't lend the money, I assumed that this was going to happen and I'm hoping and praying that he ends up forfeiting some of his trophy properties.

 

That would be just reward for a lifetime of crime. 

[HappyExpat57]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Whatever happens, it is just going to make Trump more popular and garner more votes. Every time the so called "justice system" is used to attack him it only serves to increase his likelihood of winning in November.

 

$83 million for an "accusation" of sexual abuse and defamation! C'mon man, that abuse by the legal system.

Every time I read nonsense like this it just makes me hope more for him to win and get revenge on the lot of them.

It's gonna be sweet!

Your entire post is disgusting. A jury of his peers found him guilty of sexual abuse and defamation, not just an accusation. The only nonsense is your thinking.

 

And the whole concept of basing a campaign on "getting revenge" is despicable. Unifying the country is the last thing on his and his followers' minds, and the fact that you take delight in the thought of this possibly happening is lower than whale dung. Shame on you!

[Srikcir]

10 hours ago, ozimoron said:

it could be a perjury charge

Under oath Trump said that Mar-a-Largo was worth at least $1 billion and called the judge a "fraud" for not agreeing to that valuation vs a ruling that it was worth $18 million. 

Judge should call Trump back to the court to defend that Trump did not perjury himself as he now says he had no property values to get a bond.

Trump has committed perjury and should be fined substantially.

[candide]

I feel so sad for Trump... 😀

[Skeptic7]

7 hours ago, Dolf said:

Interesting

 

 

O'Leary is an arrogant tool. Just admitted he's as corrupt as Trump and instead of becoming legit...will just relocate to a states that looks the other way. The MFer Trump broke those laws and is guilty. 

[Dolf]

10 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

O'Leary is an arrogant tool. Just admitted he's as corrupt as Trump and instead of becoming legit...will just relocate to a states that looks the other way. The MFer Trump broke those laws and is guilty. 

Broke no laws. Nobody lost money.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Broke no laws. Nobody lost money.

Committed fraud.

 

Now has to pay the penalty.

 

 

[Dolf]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Committed fraud.

 

Now has to pay the penalty.

 

 

No fraud happened. The banks agreed to loan.

[Dolf]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Committed fraud.

 

Now has to pay the penalty.

 

 

No victim no crime.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

So what? There was no jury. And this was not a criminal trial so no guilty and no sentence.

Judge in Trump's New York fraud trial explains why there's no jury
By Graham Kates

October 11, 2023 / 3:51 PM EDT / CBS News

Former President Donald Trump did not request a jury for his New York civil fraud trial, but even if he had asked for one, the answer would've been "no," a judge said Wednesday.

 

Judge Arthur Engoron addressed an issue that had been the subject of speculation on social media and by Trump himself, saying it "keeps coming up," even though he doesn't "read the papers or go online to read about" the trial.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-trial-no-jury-fraud-new-york-judge-arthur-engoron/

So what,

 

He spent his time in court.

 

The judge found him guilty and imposed the fine, the same as any body else.

 

He pays the fine exactly as anybody else would.

 

If he wants to appeal he either puts up the fine, or a bond to that amount as anybody else would have to.

 

Why should he be treated any differently?

 

That no bond company is willing to risk that makes commercial sense, as they think the risk of him defaulting is too high.

 

That none of his 'friends' or family will put up that amount shows the same thing..

 

That he cannot put up that amount in cash shows that he lied about his finances.

 

That his MAGA crew can't or won't stump up that much shows that perhaps his base is neither as large, as strong or as rich as he wants the world to believe.

 

[HappyExpat57]

9 minutes ago, Dolf said:

Broke no laws. Nobody lost money.

 

A delusional statement like this is why no one can take you seriously. You're either intentionally ignorant or trolling.

[Dolf]

Just now, HappyExpat57 said:

 

A delusional statement like this is why no one can take you seriously. You're either intentionally ignorant or trolling.

You are trolling. There was no victim. Banks were happy. Therefore no crime.

Fake charges.

[alanrchase]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Whatever happens, it is just going to make Trump more popular and garner more votes. Every time the so called "justice system" is used to attack him it only serves to increase his likelihood of winning in November.

 

$83 million for an "accusation" of sexual abuse and defamation! C'mon man, that abuse by the legal system.

Every time I read nonsense like this it just makes me hope more for him to win and get revenge on the lot of them.

It's gonna be sweet!

$83 million for an "accusation" of sexual abuse and defamation is not really correct though is it. The original award was $5 million. Trump, as usual, didn't have the sense to keep his mouth shut and wait for the appeal of that case to play out and went ahead and used the same defamation again. The $83 million is 100% Trump's fault. And people claim he's smart.