Popular Post Spock Posted May 14 Popular Post Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, sabai-dee-man said: I have three friends who regularly smoked weed from their mid teens. One kicked the habit in his late 30s, early 40s, and is fine, the second progressed to hard drugs, and thankfully managed to get clean about 8 years ago... but his brain is frazzled. He was my best friend at school, but we lost touch when I went to work and he went to college, and got in with the wrong crowd. Drugs totally f****d his life up. The third guy, here in Thailand, now in his late 20s, had a good job and had bought a nice house... lost the will, lost his job, and lost his house! Now lives with his mother in Issan, and no longer even chats with anyone. He's just stoned all the time. I'll pass, thank you. Doesn't appear to be as "harmless" as people claim. I'm 71 and used it everyday since I was about 20 without any health problems. Same applies to my friends. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 minute ago, Spock said: I'm 71 and used it everyday since I was about 20 without any health problems. Same applies to my friends. How do you know? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boedog Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 People didn't start smoking weed when they legalised it, they were already smoking, concern about the health issues that's a bit hypocritical considered the air quality in parts of Thailand which the Government refuse to fix the problem but thats ok stop the weed, Amazing Thailand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBruv Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) Like alcohol, thc affects different people in different ways so to say that cannabis is damaging is true (look up cannabis psychosis). https://everybrainmatters.org/thc-psychosis-and-violence/ For every bob marley (who did great work under the influence), there are many more who smoked their lives away at best and quite a few who hear voices and will stab you if you look at them 'wrong'. Having saif that, cash rules in thailand so I'd guess the alcohol lobby is probably behind this (late) gambit. Edited May 14 by BigBruv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spock Posted May 14 Popular Post Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, rattlesnake said: One reason is that even a small amount of cannabis can impair you and cause problems. To a lot of people, taking just one drag on a spliff is enough to alter perception and make it dangerous to drive a vehicle, for instance. Eating the stuff, such as in a cake (which lots of non-smoking Thais were doing) highly indreases the psychotropic effect. And it will of course aggravate any symptoms of psychiatric ailments (of which there are lots these days). This was overall a bad idea and it is good that they are reversing it. You are just another person who all too obviously knows nothing from experience or in theory that adds anything to the discussion. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbee2022 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 24 minutes ago, UWEB said: Both are drugs, but better stoned then drunken. If Putin and Zelensky have had a nice Joint for sure there wouldn't be a war. I can't see any connection 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I guess it's better than <deleted>ty pot and getting a headache. Either way, get the conservatives out of politics. It's the only way Thailand will move beyond the stone age. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PeterA Posted May 14 Popular Post Share Posted May 14 I know a whole slew of people ( I can think of at least 20 quickly) that have smoked since early adulthood or before, almost daily. None are serious drinkers. None are super aggressive like the drinkers I know. None show any outward signs of psychosis. Most have led active, very productive lives. They had well behaved and smart kids, and are still active in their later years. I know of no one ever interviewed for any tests or polls on their use. There is more to legalization than the "concerns" of politicians. My bet is money is the number one director of legalized or not for any recreational drug or drink. If the governments were making money on it, as well as the politicians, you can be darned sure it would be legal. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattlesnake Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 33 minutes ago, dinsdale said: When people criticise dope calling it a psychotropic drug then these people are uneducated to the facts. Education is a good thing but when pointed out it's responded to with negative comments. There is and I'll say it again there is no scientic evidence that dope should be reclassified as a type5 narcotic and hence recriminalised. It's political and it's Thaksin. There definitely are psychotropic effects to cannabis consumption and you can look them up easily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 4 hours ago, proton said: Three old friends who kept it up daily all their adult life's are long dead, all with brain hemorrhages. Glad you said that as it exposes the utter ignorance of some of those who oppose cannabis. Do you not understand how utterly pointless anecdotal evidence like this is? One of the main issues surrounding marijuana use is the enormous lack of verifiable, peer reviewed evidence and a huge fog of nape-of-the-neck useless anecdotal rubbish promulgated as "fact". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 6 hours ago, webfact said: Reports from hospitals and emergency wards across Thailand paint a concerning picture, corroborated by decades of rigorous scientific research. Studies from respected institutions like the National Institute on Drug Abuse and The Lancet Psychiatry leave little room for doubt. I suspect the OP has read none of this as it doesn't support their views in any way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 5 minutes ago, kwilco said: corroborated by decades of rigorous scientific research this is just nonsense! - one of the main characteristics of research on cannabis is that there is vey little done compared to alcohol. Dut due to past legal restrictions, it lags way behind alcohol research. The long-term effects, particularly on developing brains, are still very much unestablished, yet people try to present it as fact. Part of the problem is illustrated by the way the authorities concentrate of the EFFECTS of the drug rather that on the effects of legalising the drug. Edited May 14 by kwilco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattlesnake Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 44 minutes ago, dinsdale said: When people criticise dope calling it a psychotropic drug then these people are uneducated to the facts. Education is a good thing but when pointed out it's responded to with negative comments. There is and I'll say it again there is no scientic evidence that dope should be reclassified as a type5 narcotic and hence recriminalised. It's political and it's Thaksin. International Narcotics Control Board: List of Psychotropic Substances under International Control In accordance with the Convention on Psychotropic Substances of 1971 Page 7, PT 002 TETRAHYDROCANNABINOL https://www.incb.org/documents/Psychotropics/forms/greenlist/2022/Green_List_E.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dioj Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Stoner hasn't even chimed in on this latest steaming pile of anecdotal conjecture posing as news. Maybe after he has a few more bong hits he'll drop his two buds in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I think people should get to know what "psychotropic" - means - A drug or other substance that affects how the brain works and causes changes in mood, awareness, thoughts, feelings, or behavior. Examples of psychotropic substances include alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, marijuana, and certain pain medicines. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 6 hours ago, JoePai said: Everyone agrees the taking of cannabis can cause health problems but so do other “drugs” like tobacco and alcohol so why are they not being classified as a scheduled narcotics ? It's like blaming alcoholism on beer! There are weak beers and strong spirits, and strong spirits lead to alcoholism, so let's just ban all alcohol (Especially that gut rot stuff you get "Ooop North" called "lao khoa" - it's lethal!) A work colleague of mine joined the Police Force in the UK and the "expert" giving the cadets a lecture on drugs said "The chances are that anybody who smokes marijuana will eventually become a heroin addict" And these pearls of wisdom from a supposed expert! That's why I take any comments re marijuana and its side effects from so called "experts" with a pinch of salt! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confuscious Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 How many people are killed by Weed versus Alcohol? If the number of people killed by Weed is a major concern for the MOH, he should consider labelling Alcohol as a Class #1 Drug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvdk Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Believe me, I have been boozing hard every weekend before weed became legal in Thailand. I smoke weed in the weekend now instead of boozing and my mental health is way better. Alcohol sucks big time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 58 minutes ago, rattlesnake said: International Narcotics Control Board: List of Psychotropic Substances under International Control In accordance with the Convention on Psychotropic Substances of 1971 Page 7, PT 002 TETRAHYDROCANNABINOL https://www.incb.org/documents/Psychotropics/forms/greenlist/2022/Green_List_E.pdf Marijuana is a mind-altering (psychoactive) drug, produced by the Cannabis sativa plant. Marijuana has over 480 constituents. THC (delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol) is believed to be the main ingredient that produces the psychoactive effect https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/Marijuana-Cannabis-2020_0.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surasak Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 hours ago, cowellandrew said: Because its difficult to smoke alcohol! 😁🐒 Are you saying you don't marinade your spliff in alcohol before you smoke it😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 On 5/14/2024 at 4:00 PM, kwilco said: I think people should get to know what "psychotropic" - means - A drug or other substance that affects how the brain works and causes changes in mood, awareness, thoughts, feelings, or behavior. Examples of psychotropic substances include alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, marijuana, and certain pain medicines. Nup. This is psychoactive. Psychoactive drugs are substances that, when taken in or administered into one's system, affect mental processes, e.g. perception, consciousness, cognition or mood and emotions. Psychoactive drugs belong to a broader category of psychoactive substances that include also alcohol and nicotine. https://www.who.int/health-topics/drugs-psychoactive#:~:text=Psychoactive drugs are substances that,include also alcohol and nicotine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 On 5/14/2024 at 5:09 PM, dinsdale said: Nup. This is psychoactive. Psychoactive drugs are substances that, when taken in or administered into one's system, affect mental processes, e.g. perception, consciousness, cognition or mood and emotions. Psychoactive drugs belong to a broader category of psychoactive substances that include also alcohol and nicotine. https://www.who.int/health-topics/drugs-psychoactive#:~:text=Psychoactive drugs are substances that,include also alcohol and nicotine. Very silly reply - you are a one quote wonder - you don't even realise that a drug can fall into more than one category. Both psychoactive and psychotropic are terms used to describe substances that affect the brain, but there's a subtle difference between them. Psychoactive is the broader term. It refers to any substance that can cross the blood-brain barrier and influence the way the brain works. This can lead to changes in mood, perception, behavior, or cognitive function. Examples of psychoactive substances include caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, marijuana, and many medications. Psychotropic, on the other hand, specifically refers to substances that alter mental state. This means they have a more significant impact on how you think, feel, and behave. Antidepressants, antipsychotics, and mood stabilizers are all psychotropic drugs. Here's an analogy to understand the difference: Think of psychoactive like a category in a store. Everything on the shelf affects you in some way. Psychotropic is a subcategory within that section. These are the items that have a more dramatic effect. So, all psychotropic substances are psychoactive, but not all psychoactive substances are psychotropic. However, what is the point you are trying to make? (apart from the fact you don't understand the topic) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 9 minutes ago, kwilco said: Very silly reply - you are a one quote wonder - you don't even realise that a drug can fall into more than one category. Both psychoactive and psychotropic are terms used to describe substances that affect the brain, but there's a subtle difference between them. Psychoactive is the broader term. It refers to any substance that can cross the blood-brain barrier and influence the way the brain works. This can lead to changes in mood, perception, behavior, or cognitive function. Examples of psychoactive substances include caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, marijuana, and many medications. Psychotropic, on the other hand, specifically refers to substances that alter mental state. This means they have a more significant impact on how you think, feel, and behave. Antidepressants, antipsychotics, and mood stabilizers are all psychotropic drugs. Here's an analogy to understand the difference: Think of psychoactive like a category in a store. Everything on the shelf affects you in some way. Psychotropic is a subcategory within that section. These are the items that have a more dramatic effect. So, all psychotropic substances are psychoactive, but not all psychoactive substances are psychotropic. However, what is the point you are trying to make? (apart from the fact you don't understand the topic) Maybe you should read the link I attatched above from the DEA. If you didn't read it here it is again. https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/Marijuana-Cannabis-2020_0.pdf If that's not enough here's what wiki says: Cannabis,[a] also known as marijuana[b] or weed among other names, is a psychoactive drug from the cannabis plant. Native to Central or South Asia, the cannabis plant has been used as a drug for both recreational and entheogenic purposes and in various traditional medicines for centuries. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the main psychoactive component of cannabis, which is one of the 483 known compounds in the plant, including at least 65 other cannabinoids, such as cannabidiol (CBD). Cannabis can be used by smoking, vaporizing, within food, or as an extract. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug) It would appear that dope is classified as a psycoactive drug. Edited May 14 by dinsdale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 When someone has an agenda the first thing they start to say are things like “we’re here to save you”. But you is the last thing they care about. Apply above to every situation in politics and you be on the right side everytime 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 33 minutes ago, rvdk said: Believe me, I have been boozing hard every weekend before weed became legal in Thailand. I smoke weed in the weekend now instead of boozing and my mental health is way better. Alcohol sucks big time. You need to up those numbers. Those are rookie numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dinsdale said: Maybe you should read the link I attatched above from the DEA. If you didn't read it here it is again. https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/Marijuana-Cannabis-2020_0.pdf If that's not enough here's what wiki says: Cannabis,[a] also known as marijuana[b] or weed among other names, is a psychoactive drug from the cannabis plant. Native to Central or South Asia, the cannabis plant has been used as a drug for both recreational and entheogenic purposes and in various traditional medicines for centuries. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the main psychoactive component of cannabis, which is one of the 483 known compounds in the plant, including at least 65 other cannabinoids, such as cannabidiol (CBD). Cannabis can be used by smoking, vaporizing, within food, or as an extract. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug) It would appear that dope is classified as a psycoactive drug. As I said already you are a one quote wonder and can't even understand the quotes you pick (or rather cherry pick) it's really difficult holding a meaningful discussion with someone who is so intellectually stunted Edited May 14 by kwilco 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattlesnake Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 28 minutes ago, dinsdale said: Marijuana is a mind-altering (psychoactive) drug, produced by the Cannabis sativa plant. Marijuana has over 480 constituents. THC (delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol) is believed to be the main ingredient that produces the psychoactive effect https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/Marijuana-Cannabis-2020_0.pdf There are varying uses of terminology according to sources (kind of like how people interchangeably use "social network" and "social media" when they are not exactly the same thing): if we are to be specific and accurate, the fact is that THC is a psychoactive substance which produces psychotropic effects (unlike CBD which is a psychoactive substance which does not produce psychotropic effects). In conclusion, it should be known that many cannabinoids are psychoactive, but not all of them produce psychotropic effects. This is why THC is differentiated as it is a psychoactive cannabinoid producing psychotropic effects, by altering the sensorial perception and motor abilities. https://www.kalapa-clinic.com/en/understanding-cannabinoids-psychoactive-and-psychotropic-effects/#:~:text=In conclusion%2C it should be,sensorial perception and motor abilities. This is important because CBD is psychoactive, since it crosses your blood-brain barrier. For any substance to have an effect, it has to be absorbed into the bloodstream, and CBD does just that. However, it doesn't get you high like THC does, so CBD is not psychotropic. https://beyoucbd.co.uk/pages/cbd-and-the-difference-between-psychotropic-and-psychoactive 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, Spock said: I'm 71 and used it everyday since I was about 20 without any health problems. Same applies to my friends. totally invalid anecdotal nonsense. I disagree with making cannabis illegal but I wouldn't resort to arguments as stupid as that. Maybe you were stoned at the time? THe problem with the debate about cannabis is that both those "for" and "against" are so intellectually stunted as to render any discussion pointless. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 minutes ago, kwilco said: As I said already you are a one quote wonder and can't even understand the quotes you pick (or rather cherry pick) it's really difficult holding a meaningful discussion with someone who is so intellectually stunted You've got some front.......................😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fondue zoo Posted May 14 Popular Post Share Posted May 14 7 hours ago, connda said: Because we live in a hypocritical world. humans in large groups are just f🙊king stupid, and the stupid scales up as the group gets larger. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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