Popular Post Danderman123 Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 3 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said: "The order does not restrict Trump's statements about Merchan and Bragg." https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-does-gag-order-mean-trumps-hush-money-case-2024-04-12/ Insulting the judge who has the power to sentence Trump to prison may not violate the gag order, but it sure is stupid. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 minute ago, Danderman123 said: Insulting the judge who has the power to sentence Trump to prison may not violate the gag order, but it sure is stupid. Up there with ranting at the staff in a restaurant as you place your food order. And yes, I know a guy who did that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, BangkokReady said: It's hard to know. I'm not familiar with the American penal code, and I know the left lies like crazy about Trump. 🤷♂️ It's Trump who lies like crazy about Trump! 😀 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Felons cannot travel to many countries, including the UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, Walker88 said: I'm not as certain as some he will not be given a prison sentence. I believe it's up to the convicted felon and how he behaves between now and the sentencing date. If he mouths off, continues to violate the gag order (in effect until the sentencing date, I believe), doxxes jurors, or other nasty things of which he is not only capable, but prone to do, I think a prison sentence is possible. On his side he has 'no previous record' of criminal, though not civil, convictions, and the victims of his crime are somewhat amorphous (the entire United States of America). Working against him is his continual violation of the gag order, a total absence of remorse, and the fact an underling served time for doing his bidding in the carrying out of the crime for which he was convicted. If Michael Cohen had to serve 13 months and 51 days in solitary for the crime, it seems only fair the ringleader should also have to pay the price. As a side note, the old geezer looks to have aged 10 years in the last year. I don't think he's been hitting the gym and the salad bar. He looks like death warmed over. It would come as no surprise if he passed between now and November. Of course that would lead to another conspiracy theory about "Biden operatives" taking him out. Then again, maybe the Supreme Court will rule before November that Presidents are totally immune from prosecution, which means Biden would be free to do the needful. You are correct, there is no certainty that Trump will be sentenced to prison. And he will appeal, probably for the rest of his life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, gravity101 said: 2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: They will be, that is a fact. Wow you should be on Trumps legal team with a conviction like that. Pun intended. They'll manage fine without me, don't you worry about that. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 4 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: They'll manage fine without me, don't you worry about that. So, why didn't Trump testify for his defense? Was that a mistake? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bubblegum Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 Maga fine with Cohen getting jail time but not for Trump. Crazy! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, Walker88 said: 2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: Facts aren't your friends, either... Two impeachment acquittals... Thirty four convictions that will be overturned... No "rape" conviction... No fraud conviction. Wrong. First, it's pure speculation on your part his felony convictions (34) will be overturned. Elsewhere, he is a convicted sex offender (civil case) He is a convicted charity fraudster and is barred from starting a charity, as are his children He is a convicted bank fraudster (civil) He is a convicted insurance fraudster (civil) Yesterday's felony convictions involved fraud, too, so he is owner of lots of fraud convictions, civil and now criminal. Yes, my comment regarding the case being overturned is, very obviously, speculation, but it will happenbut the rest of your comment is wrong... Civil cases are not convictions. Trump was not convicted of anything in his Foundation case, he was just ordered to pay restitution. He has not been convicted of bank fraud. He has not been convicted of insurance fraud. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 12 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: So, why didn't Trump testify for his defense? Was that a mistake? Because that was his, and his team's, prerogative. Not sure what point you are trying to make with that question, defendants' not testifying is a perfectly normal and common practice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Yes, my comment regarding the case being overturned is, very obviously, speculation, but it will happenbut the rest of your comment is wrong... Civil cases are not convictions. Trump was not convicted of anything in his Foundation case, he was just ordered to pay restitution. He has not been convicted of bank fraud. He has not been convicted of insurance fraud. Yeah, he was just found liable for bank fraud and insurance fraud. And some sex crimes. And had to settle for the Trump University scam. And stop working on charities in New York State. Wonderful guy you are backing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) 14 hours ago, Berkshire said: And of course, you have proof of this? Trump has lost just about every case he's been involved with, because courts are about the law and evidence. On the other hand, the US House has been using "Lawfare" for months going after President Biden. They've got nothing. But I'm sure you see no problem with that. Ideologue: "No one used Lawfare against the person I hate, but the person I love is being attacked with Lawfare by other people I hate. Grrrrrrr." Now go back a read what I said because you obviously didn't grasp it the first time around: Lawfare -- regardless of whom it is directed at -- is going to destroy the United States as a functioning Democracy. Edited May 31 by stats flame comments removed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: Yeah, he was just found liable for bank fraud and insurance fraud. And some sex crimes. And had to settle for the Trump University scam. And stop working on charities in New York State. Wonderful guy you are backing. Good to see you coming around at last, albeit a little slowly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 49 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: They'll manage fine without me, don't you worry about that. Well they’ll try, but I expect they weren’t planning on any support you might think you can offer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 (edited) 3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: Good to see you coming around at last, albeit a little slowly. The question is why you support such an unsavory convict. Edited May 31 by stats personal comment removed 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 40 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Because that was his, and his team's, prerogative. Not sure what point you are trying to make with that question, defendants' not testifying is a perfectly normal and common practice. It's common to question defense strategy after a total loss. Your lack of introspection is telling. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watthong Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 6 hours ago, jerrymahoney said: Even the Prosecution's opening statement said that they make no claim as to whether the Daniels dustup would have materially affected the 2016 election results. What proz saying is that they were not going into the hush money affair per se (whether the two actually ever met, fvcked, had a pillow or dildo fight) or the effect it might or might not produce. It's just not their target. Anyway how many time does it need to be pointed out that this trial is about falsyfying of records and not about the hush-up? Playing dumb is not going to win any argument for ya. Neither is deflection (about evidence or lack thereof re the tryst.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, candide said: It's Trump who lies like crazy about Trump! 😀 Sure, but Trump doesn't label himself the good guy and make appeals to absolute morality to get his way. When you're claiming to be the good guy, and that the other guy is the bad guy, you shouldn't be lying about them, otherwise you're no longer the good guy and you lose your moral advantage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shdmn Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 I prefer presidential candidates that are not convicted felons. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitPudding Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) 16 hours ago, Roo Island said: Fantastic news. Finally It really is. He just got the black vote. 😄 🤣 😂 They are all on Twitter talking about how they voting for Trump cos we all just witnessed the law being weaponized against Trump....just like it is against black folks. He ain't lost a single MAGA vote and now he's got the black vote. Marvellous. Trump is playing this game of chess beautifully and Biden is exposed as a piece of <deleted>. Nobody cares about the porn star he pumped or the hush money. They care about the law being weaponized against people who aren't the 'flavor of the month' Edited May 31 by FruitPudding 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peabody Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 7 hours ago, BobBKK said: Appealed - watch this space Wrong again. Can't file for appeal until after sentencing. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 20 minutes ago, BangkokReady said: Sure, but Trump doesn't label himself the good guy and make appeals to absolute morality to get his way. When you're claiming to be the good guy, and that the other guy is the bad guy, you shouldn't be lying about them, otherwise you're no longer the good guy and you lose your moral advantage. Which lies? Trump lost the 2020 elections. It's fact. He called a person supervising he election to find him 11,700 votes, that's fact too. The fake electors plot is also fact. He refused to give back presidential records, hid them and lied about it. Fact. He has just been convicted by a court of law. Fact. Etc.... 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted May 31 Popular Post Share Posted May 31 (edited) It’s bedtime. What a wonderful day that was. Edited May 31 by Chomper Higgot 2 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 22 minutes ago, FruitPudding said: It really is. He just got the black vote. 😄 🤣 😂 They are all on Twitter talking about how they voting for Trump cos we all just witnessed the law being weaponized against Trump....just like it is against black folks. He ain't lost a single MAGA vote and now he's got the black vote. Marvellous. Trump is playing this game of chess beautifully and Biden is exposed as a piece of <deleted>. Nobody cares about the porn star he pumped or the hush money. They care about the law being weaponized against people who aren't the 'flavor of the month' Didn't Trump compare himself to Nelson Mandela? 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) The rest of the year will get worse for Trump. As will next year. The wild card is the Supreme Court's immunity ruling. They are going to have to thread the needle - they can't give Biden immunity now, so they have to stall a final ruling until after the election. Something like there is immunity for official acts, and the courts must decide on a case by case what is an official act. Which would allow the next president to assassinate a rival and then the Supreme Court could rule it was an official act. What they won't do is rule that Trump's January 6 crimes were official acts (or not). They will send that down to the lower courts, for that question to return after the election. Edited May 31 by Danderman123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Money Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: The rest of the year will get worse for Trump. As will next year. The wild card is the Supreme Court's immunity ruling. They are going to have to thread the needle - they can't give Biden immunity now, so they have to stall a final ruling until after the election. Something like there is immunity for official acts, and the courts must decide on a case by case what is an official act. Which would allow the next president to assassinate a rival and then the Supreme Court could rule it was an official act. Time to recalibrate your crystal ball. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Money Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) 26 minutes ago, candide said: Didn't Trump compare himself to Nelson Mandela? 😀 You tell us. Did he or didn’t he? And the relevance is? Edited May 31 by G_Money 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Money Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 49 minutes ago, Peabody said: Wrong again. Can't file for appeal until after sentencing. Bidding to take over as jailhouse lawyer? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitPudding Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 40 minutes ago, candide said: Didn't Trump compare himself to Nelson Mandela? 😀 Certainly hope not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 42 minutes ago, candide said: Which lies? Did the court find Trump guilty of "falsifying business records to influence the 2016 presidential campaign"? Does it actually mention influencing the 2016 election as being a crime of which he was found guilty? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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