RuamRudy Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 13 minutes ago, MartinL said: According to the Flag Institute, either Union FLAG or Union JACK is correct. https://www.flaginstitute.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Union-Jack-or-Union-Flag.pdf The FI seems to come to a pragmatic solution to this controversy. A good example of the fluidity and adaptability of language - and how mediation can resolve controversies! I am intrigued that such a thing as the Flag Institute actually exists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 21 minutes ago, MartinL said: "Balaclava-clad demonstrators, waving the flag of St George and igniting smoke canisters, filled the streets ... ". I can see plenty of Union and English flags, even a couple of smoke canisters in the hands of some calm, happy-looking people but not many "balaclava-clad demonstrators" in the OP's photos. What a pleasant change from the faceless ones of the pro-Gaza/Hamas crowds. Far-Right???? They look like a bunch of perfectly ordinary folks to me. So ordinary citizens can not be far right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MartinL Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 3 minutes ago, stevenl said: So ordinary citizens can not be far right. The epithet 'far-right' is usually used by the press to describe snarling, shaven-headed, thuggish skinhead types, something most of these people in the photos definitely don't appear to be (despite some naturally bald heads). But I'm sure you knew that. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 7 minutes ago, MartinL said: The epithet 'far-right' is usually used by the press to describe snarling, shaven-headed, thuggish skinhead types, something most of these people in the photos definitely don't appear to be (despite some naturally bald heads). But I'm sure you knew that. Marie le Pen is far right, as are many other politicians like your own TR. People just don't like the label, but that doesn't mean they're not it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, brianthainess said: Sorry but what is T R's point ? what does he want ? all those not white gone or what ? A quote snipped from the OP. "The protest, organized by Robinson, aimed to call for the resignation of Met Police Chief Sir Mark Rowley, whom Robinson accused of overseeing a "two-tier policing" system in London. The event drew a significant crowd, some of whom had been previously linked to "football violence" and anti-lockdown protests, according to the Met Police. As the demonstrators marched down Millbank, some set off smoke flares and air horns, creating a chaotic atmosphere". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sungod Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 36 minutes ago, MartinL said: "Balaclava-clad demonstrators, waving the flag of St George and igniting smoke canisters, filled the streets ... ". I can see plenty of Union and English flags, even a couple of smoke canisters in the hands of some calm, happy-looking people but not many "balaclava-clad demonstrators" in the OP's photos. What a pleasant change from the faceless ones of the pro-Gaza/Hamas crowds. Far-Right???? They look like a bunch of perfectly ordinary folks to me. No, anyone who flies a Union Jack or George Cross is automatically branded right wing, racist, and a nazi these days. Oh, no doubt every single one of them are well known notorious football hooligans as well. Thats how pathetic the UK press is now. 3 1 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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soalbundy Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, JayClay said: Why? Just to copy America, every American home has a Chinese made spangled banner monstrosity hanging from it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baht Simpson Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 25 minutes ago, sungod said: No, anyone who flies a Union Jack or George Cross is automatically branded right wing, racist, and a nazi these days. Oh, no doubt every single one of them are well known notorious football hooligans as well. Thats how pathetic the UK press is now. Demonstrably untrue. There'll be thousands of them flown during Euro 2024in a couple of weeks. No one will think they're all racist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sungod Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 (edited) 1 minute ago, Baht Simpson said: Demonstrably untrue. There'll be thousands of them flown during Euro 2024in a couple of weeks. No one will think they're all racist. Absolutely, neither were the majority of the people on yesterday's march who were just proud to be British. But the press will tell you otherwise. I know people who went, if you knew them then it would be plain to see they are neither right wing or racist. Edited June 2 by sungod 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will B Good Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, RuamRudy said: No problem - lots of British people call it the Union Jack too; it's more my pedantry than anything else. It's called a "jack" when flown from a sailing vessel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 25 minutes ago, sungod said: No, anyone who flies a Union Jack or George Cross is automatically branded right wing, racist, and a nazi these days. Oh, no doubt every single one of them are well known notorious football hooligans as well. Thats how pathetic the UK press is now. Just London's finest on the rampage, a fine day was had by all even though a colossal punch up was avoided by police action, the mean spoil sports. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baht Simpson Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, Will B Good said: It's called a "jack" when flown from a sailing vessel. A common misconception I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will B Good Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said: A common misconception I'm afraid. https://greatbritishmag.co.uk/uk-culture/why-is-the-united-kingdom-flag-called-the-union-jack/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 4 hours ago, Social Media said: Puddefoot stressed the need for a robust police presence to prevent serious disruptions and maintain order. A robust police presence this week to keep to make sure the there no disruption from the protestors . But a few weeks ago the police threatening to arrest people who looked deliberately Jewish . This week the police were controlling the protestors , a few weeks ago the police were controlled by the protestors 2 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roo860 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: A robust police presence this week to keep to make sure the there no disruption from the protestors . But a few weeks ago the police threatening to arrest people who looked deliberately Jewish . This week the police were controlling the protestors , a few weeks ago the police were controlled by the protestors https://news.sky.com/video/police-officers-injured-at-pro-palestinian-rally-in-london-13144861 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, MartinL said: "Balaclava-clad demonstrators, waving the flag of St George and igniting smoke canisters, filled the streets ... ". I can see plenty of Union and English flags, even a couple of smoke canisters in the hands of some calm, happy-looking people but not many "balaclava-clad demonstrators" in the OP's photos. One did have smoke canister though Th guy on the far right makes it look like a Specials single cover 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sungod Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 16 minutes ago, soalbundy said: Just London's finest on the rampage, a fine day was had by all even though a colossal punch up was avoided by police action, the mean spoil sports. Yep, look at the photo in the post above, looks like the old guy in an anorak on the left bottom of the picture and his wife were just busting to launch a couple of petrol bombs at the old bill. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baht Simpson Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Will B Good said: https://greatbritishmag.co.uk/uk-culture/why-is-the-united-kingdom-flag-called-the-union-jack/ "It is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship, but this is a relatively recent idea. From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. In 1908, a government minister stated, in response to a parliamentary question, that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag." - Flag Institute So, although the term originates from seafare it's not just for a flag that's on a vessel now. Churchill also referred to it as the Union Jack. Edited June 2 by Baht Simpson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, G_Money said: Clarification complete. I had heard the term Union Jack before. It should only be referred to as "Union Jack" when flown from a navy ship. That's the historical correctness. Many people nowadays incorrectly refer to it as "Union Jack" in every scenario. Edited June 2 by youreavinalaff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 Would the demonstrations happen without this? 2 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctormann Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, RuamRudy said: The Union Flag (not Jack) is the flag of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The flag of England is the St George's Cross. 'Jack' has naval connotations. https://greatbritishmag.co.uk/uk-culture/why-is-the-united-kingdom-flag-called-the-union-jack/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, Baht Simpson said: British values of intolerance, racism, xenophobia, violence and stupidity. Actually , that comment could be construed as being somewhat racist . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, RuamRudy said: Fair enough - personally, I don't see that celebrating your heritage is taking credit for it; more, to me it's being in awe of it and, I suppose, being a little bit proud that you descend from that stock. Vain and pointless, possibly, but as long as it's not of the supremacist type of nationalism, essentially harmless. You got it. Nobody is "taking credit". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baht Simpson Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 17 minutes ago, Denim said: Actually , that comment could be construed as being somewhat racist . As I explained in a previous post I was being sarcastic but unfortunately it went over some people's heads. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, Baht Simpson said: I know. I was referring to the "British Christians" not Fox. And I was being sarcastic. I'd have thought that was obvious. And I'm English. When you refer to British values as intolerance, racism, xenophobia, violence and stupidity, your self-claimed sarcasm seems to vanish instantly - a bit like a sneaky fart but one which people can still smell. Edited June 2 by nauseus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baht Simpson Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 36 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: Would the demonstrations happen without this? Yes. They were handing out anti-LGBT posters too. Fox is virulently anti-Pride. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baht Simpson Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, nauseus said: When you refer to British values as intolerance, racism, xenophobia, violence and stupidity, your self-claimed sarcasm seems to vanish instantly - a bit like a smeaky fart but one which people can still smell. You know, when I posted I thought, should I explain I'm being sarcastic, but then I thought no-one would be stupid enough to think I was being serious. How wrong I was. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 7 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said: You know, when I posted I thought, should I explain I'm being sarcastic, but then I thought no-one would be stupid enough to think I was being serious. How wrong I was. That sounds like another fart. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 The pride of Great Britain, DEFINITLY NOT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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