Should Hamas's Bloody Bet be Rewarded by the World?

[Social Media]

 

The recent actions of Hamas and the international responses to them highlight a dangerous lesson: crime and civilian atrocities can indeed pay. This troubling message reverberates through Europe, the halls of the United Nations, and world courts, with potentially grave consequences for global stability.

 

In the aftermath of the October 7 attacks, where Hamas carried out brutal assaults on civilians of all ages, there is a grim celebration within the tunnels of Gaza. The remaining leaders of Hamas, shielded by their own civilians and Israeli hostages, appear to be reveling in the suffering provoked by these terrorist acts. These brutalities were designed to elicit a devastating military response from Israel, a response that has resulted in widespread suffering and international condemnation.

 

Recent developments on the international stage have only served to reinforce the message that terrorism can yield significant rewards. While protests and disruptions on college campuses or at public events may garner attention, it is the symbolic actions of nations and global institutions that carry the most weight. For over three decades, the prevailing belief was that the path to Palestinian statehood required serious negotiations. However, Hamas has exploited a more violent and immediate route.

 

In a significant move, Spain, Ireland, and Norway have recognized a Palestinian state, bypassing the lengthy and complex peace negotiations that had been the foundation of any such recognition. This recognition comes despite the fact that there has never been a Palestinian state and that the territories in question are governed by two distinct factions, with Hamas controlling Gaza from underground. The question of whose state it would be remains unresolved.

 

The actions of these European nations are part of a broader international trend. The United Nations General Assembly recently held a vote overwhelmingly supporting the notion of "Palestine" as a full member state. This decision aligns with the U.N.'s long-standing focus on the Palestinian issue, often at the expense of addressing more severe global crises.

 

The International Criminal Court (ICC) has also played a controversial role. By seeking to indict Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other senior officials for war crimes, the ICC appears to be drawing a false equivalency between the deliberate attacks on civilians by Hamas and Israel's military actions aimed at neutralizing terrorist threats. President Biden criticized this approach, stating, “Whatever this prosecutor might imply, there is no equivalence — none — between Israel and Hamas.” His stance reflects his deep understanding of international relations, honed during his tenure as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

 

The ICC's actions have galvanized Israeli public opinion, uniting people across the political spectrum who feel personally affronted by the court's decisions. Even those who had previously opposed Netanyahu have rallied behind him in the face of what they see as unfair international scrutiny.

 

In the United States, the ICC prosecutor’s statements led House Speaker Mike Johnson to invite Netanyahu to address Congress. This move, while potentially divisive, may also foster rare bipartisan cooperation in Washington. The Biden administration appears open to working with Republicans to sanction the ICC for its actions against Israel. In a striking exchange, Senator Lindsey Graham asked Secretary of State Antony Blinken if he would support bipartisan efforts to sanction the ICC. Blinken’s response was unequivocal: “I welcome working with you on that.”

 

The actions of European nations, the U.N., and international courts in rewarding Hamas's barbarity could have significant unintended consequences. By taking such stances, these bodies risk being perceived as biased, undermining their credibility on the global stage.

 

A particularly contentious ruling came from the International Court of Justice (ICJ), led by a chief justice who previously served as Lebanon's U.N. ambassador. The court issued a ruling that seemingly aimed to limit Israel's operations to destroy remaining Hamas strongholds in Rafah. Senator Graham responded harshly: “The ICJ can go to hell. … Ruling that Israel should stop operations that are necessary to destroy four battalions of Hamas killers and terrorists — who use Palestinians as human shields — is ridiculous.” Hamas's approval of the ruling only underscores its problematic nature.

 

The historical context further complicates the issue. Spain, Ireland, and Norway, which were officially neutral during World War II, now find themselves on the wrong side of history once again. Their recognition of a Palestinian state, along with the actions of the U.N. and international courts, contrasts sharply with their neglect of more severe international tragedies. Their claims to moral superiority in the Middle East are built on shaky ground.

 

As an award-winning journalist and author, Lee Michael Katz brings a wealth of experience to this discussion, having reported from over 60 countries and served as a senior diplomatic correspondent for USA Today and international editor of UPI wire service. His work, syndicated globally by the New York Times Syndicate, offers a critical perspective on these complex and evolving issues.

 

Credit: The Hill 2024-06-05

 

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[thaibeachlovers]

Hamas's actions have, if nothing else, exposed israel's crimes and civilian atrocities against Palestinians for all the world to see. Used to be that israel's crimes against Palestinians were ignored by most of the world- no longer.

Now everyone knows that israel steals Palestinian land, illegally carries out collective punishment against Palestinians and locks up Palestinians for years without trial.

Now everyone can see that israel uses starvation as a weapon, drops bombs on women and children, and destroys hospitals and schools.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hamas's actions have, if nothing else, exposed israel's crimes and civilian atrocities against Palestinians for all the world to see. Used to be that israel's crimes against Palestinians were ignored by most of the world- no longer.

Now everyone knows that israel steals Palestinian land, illegally carries out collective punishment against Palestinians and locks up Palestinians for years without trial.

Now everyone can see that israel uses starvation as a weapon, drops bombs on women and children, and destroys hospitals and schools.

Wow justifying Hamas's actions, just like the OP stated. Then condemning Israel for going after Hamas who use their own civilians as human shields.

[Tug]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hamas's actions have, if nothing else, exposed israel's crimes and civilian atrocities against Palestinians for all the world to see. Used to be that israel's crimes against Palestinians were ignored by most of the world- no longer.

Now everyone knows that israel steals Palestinian land, illegally carries out collective punishment against Palestinians and locks up Palestinians for years without trial.

Now everyone can see that israel uses starvation as a weapon, drops bombs on women and children, and destroys hospitals and schools.

Here let me fix that for ya hammas actions have if nothing else exposed their murderous ways after they slaughtered the Israelis gang raped the women now they hide amongst the Palestinian women and children using them as shields proving beyond a doubt they are blood thirsty murdering killers and need to be given no quarter no prisoners kill them all.the Palestinians need to point them out get the hostages released THEN and only then scream bloody murder the world is indeed listening and Israel will have to compermise but not before.the Israeli aren’t in the mood for the usual ransom grift game obviously 

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If Israel had responded differently maybe the world's reaction would be different too. Wholesale destruction in Gaza hasn't helped. And just look at what is going on in the West Bank. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If Israel had responded differently maybe the world's reaction would be different too. Wholesale destruction in Gaza hasn't helped. And just look at what is going on in the West Bank. 

Precisely.

 

Ireland, Spain and Norway are unquestionably recognizing Palestine as a direct consequence of the carnage and destruction being visited upon Palestinians.

Their move to recognize Palestine is accompanied by unequivocal  condemnation of Hamas and the obscene terrorist attack Hamas ordered and undertook. 
 

 

[coolcarer]

It’s a hard pill to swallow to reward terrorists for raping, abusing and murdering hostages kept in dark hellish tunnels. But that’s exactly what is happening in the negotiations. Interesting to read the excuses of why this is ok.

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Precisely.

 

Ireland, Spain and Norway are unquestionably recognizing Palestine as a direct consequence of the carnage and destruction being visited upon Palestinians.

Their move to recognize Palestine is accompanied by unequivocal  condemnation of Hamas and the obscene terrorist attack Hamas ordered and undertook. 
 

 

It's easy to spot the B.S. that the author is peddling in this excerpt:

 

"By seeking to indict Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other senior officials for war crimes, the ICC appears to be drawing a false equivalency between the deliberate attacks on civilians by Hamas and Israel's military actions aimed at neutralizing terrorist threats."

 

You'll note the use of "appears to be" instead of "is". It's a misleading way of promoting a falsehood.

[retarius]

My guess is that the over-propagandised folk from the west (and only the west) would say, no wipe out all Palestinians because they are shielding Hamas. The people from the Global south (ie 3/4 of the world's population) would say no, massacres and genocides have no place in today's world, and that it is Netanyahu needs eliminating. Even in the west they seem to have to be caught and dragged kicking and screaming to support the only democracy in Jewish Supremacist Israel. 

[Srikcir]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Wow justifying Hamas's actions, just like the OP stated. Then condemning Israel for going after Hamas who use their own civilians as human shields.

"Two wrongs don't make a right: Israel must spare Palestinian civilians," Oct. 13,2023 https://english.alabiya.net/views/

 

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

"Two wrongs don't make a right: Israel must spare Palestinian civilians," Oct. 13,2023 https://english.alabiya.net/views/

 

What does that link justify, its not working for me but can you explain?

[JonnyF]

The left have certainly amped up their support for Palestine since the October 7 attacks.

 

So yes, it appears to have paid off. 

[koolkarl]

Hamas's goal has been to wipe out Israel.  The koran's goal is expanded to include infidels.  Hamas are labeled terrorists before this mess even started and to reward terrorists in any way, is 100% wrong.  It took years to build those tunnels and no one saw anything? Hamas fighters wear civilian clothes and hide in the hospitals and schools and all Palestinians see them holding AK47's and rockets.  They are all complicit.  Hamas leaders hide in Qatar with the stolen billions from the Palestinians.  If they were so concerned about ordinary people, if they exist, then Hamas give themselves up, release all hostages and return the billions to the Palestinians so they can rebuild and it all stops.  The propaganda orchestrated by Hamas and Co., is well done and working on the world's airheads.  Aljazeera is 100% propaganda; never heard of 1 terrorist being killed, only women and children.  Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc. are all guilty of supplying weapons to terrorists for years yet one only hears of the US supplying weapons.  No muslim country, even with all their oil money, have made any kind of gesture to take Palestinians in.  And I am constantly reminded of this group every time I go into an airport. 

[Chomper Higgot]

43 minutes ago, koolkarl said:

Hamas's goal has been to wipe out Israel.  The koran's goal is expanded to include infidels.  Hamas are labeled terrorists before this mess even started and to reward terrorists in any way, is 100% wrong.  It took years to build those tunnels and no one saw anything? Hamas fighters wear civilian clothes and hide in the hospitals and schools and all Palestinians see them holding AK47's and rockets.  They are all complicit.  Hamas leaders hide in Qatar with the stolen billions from the Palestinians.  If they were so concerned about ordinary people, if they exist, then Hamas give themselves up, release all hostages and return the billions to the Palestinians so they can rebuild and it all stops.  The propaganda orchestrated by Hamas and Co., is well done and working on the world's airheads.  Aljazeera is 100% propaganda; never heard of 1 terrorist being killed, only women and children.  Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc. are all guilty of supplying weapons to terrorists for years yet one only hears of the US supplying weapons.  No muslim country, even with all their oil money, have made any kind of gesture to take Palestinians in.  And I am constantly reminded of this group every time I go into an airport. 

I’m quite certain there many who would dearly like to see other nations in the region open their doors to receive Palestinians, and leave Gaza and the West Bank vacant.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 5 by Chomper Higgot

[johng]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

and leave Gaza and the West Bank vacant.

 

Well those areas wouldn't be "vacant" for very long would they ? 

one guess as to who would occupy them.

[RichardColeman]

It would be interesting to ask if all people in the middle east would be prepared to give up their religions if it ensured lifelong peace. I bet I know the answer.

[300sd]

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m quite certain there many who would dearly like to see other nations in the region open their doors to receive Palestinians, and leave Gaza and the West Bank vacant.

You can always check with Lebanon, Syria and Jordan about that. They already have opened their doors except they keep, I mean host, the Palestinians in refugee camps. Guess they really don't want them "mixing!" Gee I wonder how they got there in the first place!

[jippytum]

The reward should be extinction 

[ThaiFelix]

8 hours ago, coolcarer said:

It’s a hard pill to swallow to reward terrorists for raping, abusing and murdering hostages kept in dark hellish tunnels. But that’s exactly what is happening in the negotiations. Interesting to read the excuses of why this is ok.

Yes gang raped to death with broken pelvises and 40 headless babies and Israel protecting itself but 38,000 civilials jumped in front of the bombs   blah blah blah blah but still no proof??

 

In fact the problem is these lies are all being shown to be just that and while such lies have an impact in the beginning they soon have the opposite affect when suddenly everyone realises they have been cold faced lied to.  And no-one likes a liar, look what happened to the expert Donald.  Bibi is next.  God help you Israel, the wheel turns!

[ThaiFelix]

4 minutes ago, jippytum said:

The reward should be extinction 

Im sure there are some innocent Israelis, we cant stoop to think like them and blame even the innocent children in our hatred.  No, Israeli children cant be blamed for the genocide carried out by their parents.

[transam]

Just now, ThaiFelix said:

Im sure there are some innocent Israelis, we cant stoop to think like them and blame even the innocent children in our hatred.  No, Israeli children cant be blamed for the genocide carried out by their parents.

Why do you tell lies regarding "Genocide"..........?  🤔

[Jeff the Chef]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Why do you tell lies regarding "Genocide"..........?  🤔

 

There is no Genocide till the ICJ ends their deliberations, then there is the ICC to punish the preparators, hope I live long enough to see it. 

The wheels of justice are turning, slowly but surely.

Edited June 5 by Jeff the Chef

[transam]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

There is no Genocide till the ICJ ends their deliberations, then there is the ICC to punish the preparators, hope I live long enough to see it. 

Then why do members keep using the word here...........🤔

[Jeff the Chef]

Just now, transam said:

Then why do members keep using the word here...........🤔

 

Because that is the accusation/charge:

 

Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime
of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel)
Palestine files an application for permission to intervene and a declaration of intervention
in the proceedings, invoking Articles 62 and 63 of the Statute of the Court

 

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240603-pre-02-00-en.pdf

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, koolkarl said:

Hamas's goal has been to wipe out Israel.  The koran's goal is expanded to include infidels.  Hamas are labeled terrorists before this mess even started and to reward terrorists in any way, is 100% wrong.  It took years to build those tunnels and no one saw anything? Hamas fighters wear civilian clothes and hide in the hospitals and schools and all Palestinians see them holding AK47's and rockets.  They are all complicit.  Hamas leaders hide in Qatar with the stolen billions from the Palestinians.  If they were so concerned about ordinary people, if they exist, then Hamas give themselves up, release all hostages and return the billions to the Palestinians so they can rebuild and it all stops.  The propaganda orchestrated by Hamas and Co., is well done and working on the world's airheads.  Aljazeera is 100% propaganda; never heard of 1 terrorist being killed, only women and children.  Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc. are all guilty of supplying weapons to terrorists for years yet one only hears of the US supplying weapons.  No muslim country, even with all their oil money, have made any kind of gesture to take Palestinians in.  And I am constantly reminded of this group every time I go into an airport. 

You make some very good points in your post and I also believe that many Palestinians are complicit in the Hamas actions and do nothing to stop them, just turning a blind eye, as the saying goes.

 

As for those people who are constantly whingeing about the Palestinian civilians being killed, as I've previously stated, Hamas started this war and must have realised that Palestinian civilians were going to be killed as a result of it.

 

However, something caught my attention last night when I was watching a documentary on the Normandy landings at D-Day and it certainly applies to this current situation, because it was stated that over 20,000 innocent French folk were killed when the Allied forces were bombing coastal towns and villages from their ships anchored offshore, because the Germans were hiding out amongst whatever shelter they could find. So innocent civilians were killed and that is the price one pays for war, but having said that, after the Second World War, although there were many French civilian casualties killed by the allies, no one ever laid blame at the door of the allies for this............ 

 

Now there are "innocent" Palestinians being killed by Israel's incursion and the reaction is astounding, not because it's actually happening, but because it's exactly what happens in war and it has happened since time immemorial and my example above highlights this.

 

Give Israel the power to wipe out Hamas by whatever means possible, and of course it will mean the death of some innocents, but that's the way of war and always has been.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Because that is the accusation/charge:

 

Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime
of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel)
Palestine files an application for permission to intervene and a declaration of intervention
in the proceedings, invoking Articles 62 and 63 of the Statute of the Court

 

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240603-pre-02-00-en.pdf

So using the word now is wrong, the same as innocent until proven guilty.....

In other words, members using the word genocide are in the "Hang 'em high brigade", guilty before being judged............😏 

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, 300sd said:

You can always check with Lebanon, Syria and Jordan about that. They already have opened their doors except they keep, I mean host, the Palestinians in refugee camps. Guess they really don't want them "mixing!" Gee I wonder how they got there in the first place!

I read an interesting article about the Palestinians, and it appears that they were a race of people who were not much liked by their neighbours and other races nearby, at times being labelled as a "warlike race" and by others as an unlikeable race of people.

 

It would seem this would still hold true judging by the actions of the countries you mention in your post!

[coolcarer]

57 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

Yes gang raped to death with broken pelvises and 40 headless babies and Israel protecting itself but 38,000 civilials jumped in front of the bombs   blah blah blah blah but still no proof??

 

In fact the problem is these lies are all being shown to be just that and while such lies have an impact in the beginning they soon have the opposite affect when suddenly everyone realises they have been cold faced lied to.  And no-one likes a liar, look what happened to the expert Donald.  Bibi is next.  God help you Israel, the wheel turns!

Oh a real life sexual crimes and rape denier. Even when the hostages themselves disclose it. What a sad apologist. 🙁 Be happy, you have a fellow conspiracey theorist giving you a +1

[coolcarer]

26 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

There is no Genocide till the ICJ ends their deliberations, then there is the ICC to punish the preparators, hope I live long enough to see it. 

The wheels of justice are turning, slowly but surely.

There is no genocide full stop unless it is proven. Baseless off topic accusations so far. Great way to distract from the horrible abuse of the hostages. Be proud man

[The Theory]

9 hours ago, Tug said:

now they hide amongst the Palestinian women and children using them as shields proving beyond a doubt they are blood thirsty

This means they are not fighting for people of Palestine, this is just about money and politics. Nothing for people. 
some need to open their eyes widely🤔

Edited June 5 by The Theory