27 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Speaking personally, I did my best to avoid hospitals and hospital visits during the COVID pandemic here in Thailand because -- in the absence of something absolutely requiring it -- I didn't want to be around and be exposed to large numbers of other people already sick with COVID.

 

 And I didn't want/need to be adding, unless absolutely necessary, to the tremendous burdens that COVID already placed on overworked doctors and nurses here and elsewhere, many of whom became sick and many globally died in the pandemic. That's not too hard an idea to figure out.

 

Yep people died. Vaccinated and unvaccinated. Those wearing masks even when they were alone in a car and those that didn't wear masks may have fallen victim. That's before Omicron.

15 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

I kinda enjoyed the lock down in Thailand. Wasn't afraid at all as we took the proper precautions. Don't misquote me. That's bs. Many were scared due to misinformation on social media outlets and dodgy right wing media outlets.

Misinformation such as what? Vaccines can cause injury or even kill you? You can still get and spread covid even if you get jabbed? Is this the type of right wing misinformation you're talking about. Of course it's now fact not misinformation. Lab leak? Pure conspiracy. 

1 hour ago, sungod said:

 

I'd agree that the vaccine helped the vulnerable, but for the rest of us.....

Sadly some on this forum will never admit to or even consider that the majority of people didn't need to be jabbed. I've said before that I got Delta before I got jabbed. 

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Sadly some on this forum will never admit to or even consider that the majority of people didn't need to be jabbed. I've said before that I got Delta before I got jabbed. 

And your credentials are? Medical professional? Scientist? Researcher?

  

18 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Misinformation such as what? Vaccines can cause injury or even kill you? You can still get and spread covid even if you get jabbed? Is this the type of right wing misinformation you're talking about. Of course it's now fact not misinformation. Lab leak? Pure conspiracy. 

 

 

"Botched public health messaging also allowed for [COVID vaccine] misinformation to run rampant. Rare adverse events associated with the COVID vaccine have been severely overplayed and spread like wildfire on social media.

 

"Patients need to know that like any vaccine, vaccine injury does occur, but these vaccines have a better safety profile than almost any others," Al-Aly said. "The rewards of getting the vaccine far outweigh the risks, and patients need to understand that."

 

Medscape

May 02, 2024

 

https://archive.ph/BxlSZ#selection-967.1-967.13

 

AND

 

"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines. Vaccine misinformation leading individuals to decline vaccination has very likely led to many more deaths than adverse effects of the vaccines.

...

There is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines have contributed to excess mortality during the pandemic. Excess mortality largely coincides with peaks of SARS-CoV-2 infections, particularly during the first waves when vaccines were not available. In fact, there is strong evidence that COVID-19 vaccines save lives and prevent the serious harm associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection.

 

https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

 

 International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities

 

4 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

And your credentials are? Medical professional? Scientist? Researcher?

How many people do you know that died? Healthy people. For me it's zero. New plenty that got covid though.

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

How many people do you know that died? Healthy people. For me it's zero. New plenty that got covid though.

You are a covid denier. Hard to have an intelligent conversation. Listen to the science. Not social media or your limited interactions. Or mine! Look at the big picture. Jeez

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

  

 

 

"Botched public health messaging also allowed for [COVID vaccine] misinformation to run rampant. Rare adverse events associated with the COVID vaccine have been severely overplayed and spread like wildfire on social media.

 

"Patients need to know that like any vaccine, vaccine injury does occur, but these vaccines have a better safety profile than almost any others," Al-Aly said. "The rewards of getting the vaccine far outweigh the risks, and patients need to understand that."

 

Medscape

May 02, 2024

 

https://archive.ph/BxlSZ#selection-967.1-967.13

 

AND

 

"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines. Vaccine misinformation leading individuals to decline vaccination has very likely led to many more deaths than adverse effects of the vaccines.

...

There is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines have contributed to excess mortality during the pandemic. Excess mortality largely coincides with peaks of SARS-CoV-2 infections, particularly during the first waves when vaccines were not available. In fact, there is strong evidence that COVID-19 vaccines save lives and prevent the serious harm associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection.

 

https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

 

 International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities

 

Right. No vaccine injuries and no deaths. People at the beginning who said this may happen were closed down. Censored and threatened into oblivion. If you didn't and still don't for the most part agree with the narrative means you're a conspiracy theorists. Well I'd rather be on the side of conspiracy using rational thinking to either agree or disagree rather than blind obedience. Guess that's why I've never believed in god. 

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Right. No vaccine injuries and no deaths.

 

Of course, that's not what the posted statements that you're responding to actually said.

 

What they actually said was:  "Rare adverse events associated with the COVID vaccine have been severely overplayed and spread like wildfire on social media."

 

AND

 

"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines."

 

A post with an unsourced and unsubstantiated off-topic claim has been removed.

 

29 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

You are a covid denier. Hard to have an intelligent conversation. Listen to the science. Not social media or your limited interactions. Or mine! Look at the big picture. Jeez

Maybe you can explain to me then why I'm a covid denier. I've had covid more than once. It exists. Why it exists is another question.

2 hours ago, sungod said:

2 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Tell that to the families of the more than 7 million who died. Many covid deaths weren't recognized as covid deaths.

I feel sorry for the people who died of cancer , heart disease etc because they couldn't get near a hospital.

 

or the more than 150k humans who die each and every day. 

48 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Right. No vaccine injuries and no deaths. People at the beginning who said this may happen were closed down. Censored and threatened into oblivion. If you didn't and still don't for the most part agree with the narrative means you're a conspiracy theorists. Well I'd rather be on the side of conspiracy using rational thinking to either agree or disagree rather than blind obedience. Guess that's why I've never believed in god. 

Censored for a very good reason. Misinformation and conspiracy theories. Sad some lean towards conspiracy theories rather than science. Hardly rational.

27 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Maybe you can explain to me then why I'm a covid denier. I've had covid more than once. It exists. Why it exists is another question.

Read your posts. Nuff said. Covid denier and anti vaxxer

24 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

or the more than 150k humans who die each and every day. 

Your point?

4 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Totally different. Easy to get the jab to help prevent covid. 

 

Which jab prevents covid ?

On 6/21/2024 at 5:46 PM, dinsdale said:

Misinformation such as what? Vaccines can cause injury or even kill you? You can still get and spread covid even if you get jabbed? Is this the type of right wing misinformation you're talking about. Of course it's now fact not misinformation. Lab leak? Pure conspiracy. 

Any vaccine has side effects. But the benefits outweigh the risks. Bigly.

On 6/21/2024 at 8:42 PM, Ralf001 said:

 

Which jab prevents covid ?

None. But several reduce the symptoms and prevent you from dying

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Any vaccine has side effects. But the benefits outweigh the risks. Bigly.

I guess it depends on the % of people who get side effects and what those side effects are. 

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

None. But several reduce the symptoms and prevent you from dying

 

so a backflip on your previous claim.

 

Colour me surprised !

5 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

so a backflip on your previous claim.

 

Colour me surprised !

Never said jabs prevent covid. Reduce the symptoms so you don't end up in the hospital with a tube jammed down your throat? Or die? Absolutely.

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I guess it depends on the % of people who get side effects and what those side effects are. 

Yup. Luckily, the benefits of the mRNA vastly outweighed the side effects. Billions of doses were administered

5 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Never said jabs prevent covid. Reduce the symptoms so you don't end up in the hospital with a tube jammed down your throat? Or die? Absolutely.

 

You previous post reads to me you said prevents covid.

 

3 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

You previous post reads to me you said prevents covid.

 

Keyword is HELP.

3 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Keyword is HELP.

yeah lets ignore the word PREVENTS.

4 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

yeah lets ignore the word PREVENTS.

Help. Not totally. Nitpicking are you?

 

Edit. After my 3rd jab I got covid. Just a minor cough and felt poor for a few days. The jab helped prevent me from ending up in the hospital.

3 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Help. Not totally. Nitpicking are you?

 

Edit. After my 3rd jab I got covid. Just a minor cough and felt poor for a few days. The jab helped prevent me from ending up in the hospital.

so 3 jabs did not help to prevent you to catching covid.

 

Colour me surprised !

3 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

so 3 jabs did not help to prevent you to catching covid.

 

Colour me surprised !

Go away

13 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Any vaccine has side effects. But the benefits outweigh the risks. Bigly.

Seems some vaccines have a greater % of adverse events than others. 

https://www.health.wa.gov.au/~/media/Corp/Documents/Health-for/Immunisation/Western-Australia-Vaccine-Safety-Surveillance-Annual-Report-2021.pdf

 

Excess mortality data is now being investigated. 

what's the betting that the graph above is very similar in many other countries  adverse reactions data.