No rights or wrongs, please - what's your guess as to how it ends?

My choice "no winners" is first equal.

 

The excuse for WW1 was some nobleman being assassinated, the excuse for Vietnam was an American ship being attacked, the excuse for Gulf 2 was the lie about WMDs. I wonder what excuse NATO ( Biden ) will dream up for this one?

Russia has already won.

Ukraine is destroyed and poses no future threat as a potential NATO or EU member. That was Putin's primary objective.

Any future settlement will cede territories already gained to Russia.

 

And the unexpected outcome of the war from the West's perspective is the fast-tracking of the BRICS+ development. It will be carnage when the US can't fund it's debt because nobody wants to buy T-Bills.

 

Don't think it can happen? It's already happening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Gsxrnz said:

Russia has already won.

Ukraine is destroyed and poses no future threat as a potential NATO or EU member. That was Putin's primary objective.

Any future settlement will cede territories already gained to Russia.

 

And the unexpected outcome of the war from the West's perspective is the fast-tracking of the BRICS+ development. It will be carnage when the US can't fund it's debt because nobody wants to buy T-Bills.

 

Don't think it can happen? It's already happening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have been saying this for a long time.  Few people seem to care: 1) 34 Trillion and counting in US Debt 2) Interest on debt ranges from 3 to 5% 3) Annual interest on US Debt is now almost 1 Trillion.  4) US Social Security is now at a tipping with benefit reductions set to begin in 2035.  4) I am an American Citizen and I am not old enough to collect Social Security.  5) I have other sources of retirement income but even I know I am not immune to what could or would come.  

Nothing will "end".

 

Take the long view, if you will.

 

We are on a journey which began long before you or I were born.

 

Take the long view, and reduce your stress.....

 

 

I am old.

You are young.

 

Read Catch-22.....

 

 

Save him.

Save who?

 

Save US.....

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany

 

 

 

 

In my opinion, the level of drones (on both sides) have developed to the level where the real troops cannot just appear in sight, making advancing not possible.

So I voted for the stalemate.

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wonder what excuse NATO ( Biden ) will dream up for this one?

Defending Ukraines pseudo democracy 

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Ukrainian_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany

Why should go so deep in in history? This is Ukraine in modern days. Shop sells military equipment.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Gsxrnz said:

Russia has already won.

Ukraine is destroyed and poses no future threat as a potential NATO or EU member. That was Putin's primary objective.

Any future settlement will cede territories already gained to Russia.

 

And the unexpected outcome of the war from the West's perspective is the fast-tracking of the BRICS+ development. It will be carnage when the US can't fund it's debt because nobody wants to buy T-Bills.

 

Don't think it can happen? It's already happening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Helen’s latest statement:

“There is no legal issue in stealing Russian sovereign assets because the assets generated income for the institution”

 

I can’t make sense out of this double talk but the message is clear nevertheless. Any investments in any western financial institution or instrument no longer belongs to you. This is possibly the final nail in the coffin.

 

Buyer beware.

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Any investments in any western financial institution or instrument no longer belongs to you. This is possibly the final nail in the coffin.

Sell off stocks. Stock up on gold.

7 minutes ago, VBer said:

Why should go so deep in in history?

 

History is not important, then?

 

 

19 hours ago, BobBKK said:

No rights or wrongs, please - what's your guess as to how it ends?

Nobody can predict the outcome, no one here, Putin, NATO or Bidens handlers. By all empirical accounts it appears that the west is trying to manage a haywire mess of a sprung loaded spring in the stupidest possible way.

3 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

History is not important, then?

 

 

History is the repetitive representation of the future. Humans are predictable.

55 minutes ago, novacova said:

Humans are predictable.

 

Humans are unpredictable....(I think you meant to say.)

 

How will it end?

 

Just ask The Good Soldier Švejk.

 

Never argue with imbeciles!

 

 

 

On 6/19/2024 at 1:57 PM, BobBKK said:

No rights or wrongs, please - what's your guess as to how it ends?

 

It will end at some point with negotiations.  The sooner the better for Ukraine.

 

Negotiate Now, or Capitulate Later:
Ten Incentives for Ukraine to Make Peace with Russia

Europe can't afford a war.

 

America and Russia can't afford to not have a war .... they are both militaristic  cultures with overwhelming economic issues that needs a big distraction to avoid the harsh realities.

 

So when Ukraine has finally been ground to ashes, another country will enter the meat grinder.

 

Meanwhile Europe will become poorer and China (the true victor in the Cold War) will get stronger.

Can't really predict.

I think the momentum has shifted to Ukraine though.

If the U.S. maga fascists win in November, that changes.

Russia is gearing up for a war of many years.

35 percent military of their entire budget and brainwashing their children.

Will the Russian people have the patience for long term suffering when the reasons for Putin's war are artificial?

Will the west have the patience to wait for Russia to fall apart from within?

16 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Can't really predict.

I think the momentum has shifted to Ukraine though.

If the U.S. maga fascists win in November, that changes.

Russia is gearing up for a war of many years.

35 percent military of their entire budget and brainwashing their children.

Will the Russian people have the patience for long term suffering when the reasons for Putin's war are artificial?

Will the west have the patience to wait for Russia to fall apart from within?

 
The opposite, and Russia will up the ante as the West provokes it more by authorising deep missile strikes. Russia will respond and take more land - suddenly, the West will negotiate, maybe after Trump gets back. Nothing is for sure, of course.

5 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 
The opposite, and Russia will up the ante as the West provokes it more by authorising deep missile strikes. Russia will respond and take more land - suddenly, the West will negotiate, maybe after Trump gets back. Nothing is for sure, of course.

I never really believed it but it seems that the parallel universe theory is real and that somehow, two parallel universes are existing simultaneously on AN.
 

I pinch myself and it hurts so I guess my universe is real, to me at least. In my universe, Ukraine has no chance of winning. All the military mappers that I see on YT shows Russia gaining ground (although that’s not their main objective) consistently and continuously.

 

Those who insists that Ukraine is winning is obviously living in the parallel universe where the Chinese economy has collapsed, Taiwan is a permanent member of the UNSC, XJP is in jail for the genocide of Uyghurs and America sent a man to the moon …

4 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I never really believed it but it seems that the parallel universe theory is real and that somehow, two parallel universes are existing simultaneously on AN.
 

I pinch myself and it hurts so I guess my universe is real, to me at least. In my universe, Ukraine has no chance of winning. All the military mappers that I see on YT shows Russia gaining ground (although that’s not their main objective) consistently and continuously.

 

Those who insists that Ukraine is winning is obviously living in the parallel universe where the Chinese economy has collapsed, Taiwan is a permanent member of the UNSC, XJP is in jail for the genocide of Uyghurs and America sent a man to the moon …

America sent a man to moon? 

 

The future we can't predict, but the past can tell something about the future

On 6/20/2024 at 10:40 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

How will it end?

 

Just ask The Good Soldier Švejk.

 

Never argue with imbeciles!

 

 

 

There sure are enough of them on this forum!

 

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

 

I think the momentum has shifted to Ukraine though

What utter rubbish, Ukraine have lost this war. Zelensky the coke head needs to negotiate, but he won't.

10 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

What utter rubbish, Ukraine have lost this war. Zelensky the coke head needs to negotiate, but he won't.

Coke head?

On what evidence?

You want Ukraine to surrender.

Forget about it.

 

5 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 
The opposite, and Russia will up the ante as the West provokes it more by authorising deep missile strikes. Russia will respond and take more land - suddenly, the West will negotiate, maybe after Trump gets back. Nothing is for sure, of course.

Putin doesn't negotiate.

Yes the maga fascists are on Putin's side.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Coke head?

On what evidence?

You want Ukraine to surrender.

Forget about it.

 

To be fair, I don't think he is - but Ukraine will surrender eventually, and the 100,000s died for absolutely nothing. Watch this space the only thing that will prevent it is escalation to WW3 and I think that is a very real possibility.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Putin doesn't negotiate.

Yes the maga fascists are on Putin's side.

 Are you calling half the population of the USA maga fascists? There is no link and Putin has said he prefers your demented guy Biden.

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Coke head?

On what evidence?

You want Ukraine to surrender.

Forget about it.

 

You really don't know what you are talking about. Give it a few more months then you will see that Ukraine are finished. 

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Putin doesn't negotiate.

Yes the maga fascists are on Putin's side.

Such a stupid comment. lol

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/video-showing-president-zelenskiy-admitting-to-using-cocaine-is-digitally-alte-idUSL1N31S1RD/