Engaging with Russians during wartime in Thailand?

[frank83628]

2 minutes ago, proton said:

 three months is nothing, how do they manage to be here for years?

keep boing border crossings or perhaps they've set up companies.

i was here for 3 years doing that, until i decided to stay permanently and set it all up.

 

[bob smith]

2 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Is that you with the moustache? You very happy.

I wouldn't be seen dead with you.

 

bob.

[HauptmannUK]

Some years ago I had the misfortune to have to work in Russia for an extended period. It was a big project with Unilever and UK government involvement (me).  I did an intensive course in Russian so can speak it to a conversational level (its not an easy language). 

I met some amazing Russians and worked with one guy who is probably the most intelligent and talent person I've ever met.

However I have to say that the overwhelming majority of Russians that I met were deeply unpleasant. There are very few social graces in Russia. It remains a brutal society where 'might is right'. Road rage and aggressive driving is off the scale. If you can understand some Russian its bizarre to hear old ladies in the street swearing and using incredibly vulgar language. Every neighbourhood and apartment block has its own thugs and 'mini mafia' who mug, rob and extort money.  Its generally accepted that anyone with significant wealth came by it illegally.  Its a deeply unpleasant place to be.

Do not imagine that Russians in Thailand don't support Putin and the war. Putin enjoys very strong support and most Russians are very patriotic. Generally the more affluent younger Russians, of the sort who are coming to Thailand, are not being sent to the front line. Putin is not stupid - the footsoldiers are drawn from poorer areas in the east. I've spoken to some older Russians who live in Jomtien and they were all very pro-Putin.  I also had a chat with three young Russian guys who were drinking at Bali Hai. They were happy to be outside Russia but pro-war.

Some of you may have seen the guy who rides around on a motorbike with a Russian flag attached and a speaker blasting out military songs...

[susanlea]

Just now, bob smith said:

I wouldn't be seen dead with you.

 

bob.

Alcoholic guy sitting in a condo alone making up stpries about Russians and ladyboys. Living the dream. Your fake stories are your only friends.

[susanlea]

2 minutes ago, HauptmannUK said:

Some years ago I had the misfortune to have to work in Russia for an extended period. It was a big project with Unilever and UK government involvement (me).  I did an intensive course in Russian so can speak it to a conversational level (its not an easy language). 

I met some amazing Russians and worked with one guy who is probably the most intelligent and talent person I've ever met.

However I have to say that the overwhelming majority of Russians that I met were deeply unpleasant. There are very few social graces in Russia. It remains a brutal society where 'might is right'. Road rage and aggressive driving is off the scale. If you can understand some Russian its bizarre to hear old ladies in the street swearing and using incredibly vulgar language. Every neighbourhood and apartment block has its own thugs and 'mini mafia' who mug, rob and extort money.  Its generally accepted that anyone with significant wealth came by it illegally.  Its a deeply unpleasant place to be.

Do not imagine that Russians in Thailand don't support Putin and the war. Putin enjoys very strong support and most Russians are very patriotic. Generally the more affluent younger Russians, of the sort who are coming to Thailand, are not being sent to the front line. Putin is not stupid - the footsoldiers are drawn from poorer areas in the east. I've spoken to some older Russians who live in Jomtien and they were all very pro-Putin.  I also had a chat with three young Russian guys who were drinking at Bali Hai. They were happy to be outside Russia but pro-war.

Some of you may have seen the guy who rides around on a motorbike with a Russian flag attached, blasting out military songs...

At last some real comments. This is true, most support Putin, only reason he is still alive. The people are used to being aggressive including the women.

[bob smith]

1 minute ago, susanlea said:

The people are used to being aggressive including the women.

you should know, susan..

 

bob.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Agree, that said, I only really know one and he doesn't want to return to go to war as he has family here, so he has skipped.

 

When ever I see him at the bar, I call out, hey, my Ukrainian friend, how are you, and he laughs, easy going guy to get on with, about 40, great sense of humor, and knows a lot about history and this is basically how he summed it up for me regarding, as you said; it's Putin and co forcing them to fight, but not for nothing.

 

Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity. In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of Russians were burned alive).

 

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas.

 

If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened.

 

The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.

 

Zelensky, Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.

 

Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April?

 

Hint: Remember someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time. Russia's national security was compromised once NATO began to expand eastwards.

 

Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining NATO was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable.

 

The Russians have legitimate security concerns. 20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO. NATO is not a defensive alliance. NATO illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter).

 

He said, we should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster?

 

Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest.

 

Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland he said.

 

Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens—theirs will hide in the basements”. Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre.

 

He said the whole world needs to know about it he said, but they are fed what they want to feed them.

 

Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country. Ukraine has a hit list.

 

There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence). The Azov troops trapped in the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present.

 

Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but Azov would not allow the civilians to leave. Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) R.I.P. The first terrorist attack on the Kerch Bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims).

 

The 2nd terrorist attack on the Kerch Bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written.

 

I just passing on what he told me, obviously there was much more, to sum it up, he said, NATO is an evil, it is not what they are projecting it to be to us, it is a useful tool which helps them do whatever they want to do, and of course they pay for it.

 

He added, we get fed a lot of propaganda, that said, he said that he didn't want to fight for his country, because governments use people to protect their rights for freedom, which to him was a load of crap, it's big business to protect their interests, and NATO pushing forward made a huge mistake, why because Putin, will use Nuks in the end, if pushed.

 

 

I don't think Ukrainians are going to forget the 6 million of them that were starved to death on Stalin's orders either. Or the current deliberate targeting of power and agriculture infrastructure.

 

There's Western propaganda, and Russian propaganda. The question is, which is more credible?

 

Your friend omits to mention Russians usually refer to Ukrainians as Khokol. an offensive term of Cossack origins. Russians are on the podium as far as racism goes, IIRC they refer to Chechens as blacks.

 

NATO is an organisation every country wants to join. Living under the Russian yoke once was enough. If that's evil, it seems everyone wants to embrace it.

 

He's smart enough to stay out of the meat grinder, not smart enough to realise he has been fed news with a Russian slant his whole life.

 

 

[ChaiyaTH]

3 minutes ago, susanlea said:

At last some real comments. This is true, most support Putin, only reason he is still alive. The people are used to being aggressive including the women.

Of course they support him, like LMAO, people under a rock are the only ones that still don't get this. There is no war in Russia, there is a war in the west, among their own people, which only weakens them further and further, to end in a economic disaster while BRICS will say; we told you so, to then take the lead in the world, after WW3.

[Fruit Trader]

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

 

Well here's one guy who's approachable!

 

 

 

Sanctioned Ivan (YouTube name) is not your typical Russian. He grew up and went to school in Ireland before moving back to Russia where his work got hit by money transfer sanctions. I first picked up his story at a U.S. car dealer channel where he talked about his dreams of moving to the U.S.

His YouTube channel carries on the Russia, Turkey Thailand venture.
 

 

 

[Tidal wave]

If I see one crossing the road in a "Z" shirt I may have to engage top gear, they are all complicit every single one of them .  

[brianthainess]

57 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Thailand created visas for them I believe. Some sort of 90 day visa.

Followed by a 60 day visa. 

[Doctor Tom]

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I assume most speak some English. 

But how to break the ice?

How's the war treating you somehow seems too abrubt.

Any ideas or experiences with this?

I couldn't give a sxxt about them.  They can all get shipped back to the front line for me, the sooner the better. 

[Doctor Tom]

15 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Of course they support him, like LMAO, people under a rock are the only ones that still don't get this. There is no war in Russia, there is a war in the west, among their own people, which only weakens them further and further, to end in a economic disaster while BRICS will say; we told you so, to then take the lead in the world, after WW3.

You are badly misinformed.  The West's armament industry is doing brilliantly.  The West's military are heavily committed in a proxy war, which is degrading Russia and its friends while testing new weapon systems, and gathering vital intelligence.  Believe me when I say that NATO is in no rush to see this war end. With no war, Ukraine is the bread basket of major countries and could be rich, that's when it gets to pay back all the loans it has been given, probably for the next 100 years.  Its money in the bank for the Western powers. 

[brianthainess]

33 minutes ago, proton said:

 three months is nothing, how do they manage to be here for years?

Over 50 ? I know one with a Ukrainian wife neither over 50, they have been here 9+ years, they have land and house, big 'green house' growing dope, visible from the road, now moved that and no dope plants. Maybe a business/work visa with no Thais in sight, but helped by a Thai resort owner. Must have a lot of money IMO. 

[susanlea]

3 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

You are badly misinformed.  The West's armament industry is doing brilliantly.  The West's military are heavily committed in a proxy war, which is degrading Russia and its friends while testing new weapon systems, and gathering vital intelligence.  Believe me when I say that NATO is in no rush to see this war end. With no war, Ukraine is the bread basket of major countries and could be rich, that's when it gets to pay back all the loans it has been given, probably for the next 100 years.  Its money in the bank for the Western powers. 

The US has extreme levels of debt and a political system that is nearly broken by two old guys and their supporters.

[Captor]

I wonder how many russians there are in aseannow?

[Polaky]

1 minute ago, Captor said:

I wonder how many russians there are in aseannow?

Only one...Susanlee

[susanlea]

2 minutes ago, Captor said:

I wonder how many russians there are in aseannow?

How many sober people who get out and do much? Not many it seems. 

[bobbin]

48 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Maybe she didn't feel anything. If there's not much there then she wouldn't feel much.

Joined April 12.. almost 1000 posts..

 

Do you keep saying the same thing like you are doing in this thread?

 

And if you really are female (not likely), thank the gods I'm not married to you..

[bobbin]

3 minutes ago, Captor said:

I wonder how many russians there are in aseannow?

A lot more than you might think.. and a boatload of "sympathizers"

[susanlea]

2 minutes ago, bobbin said:

thank the gods I'm not married to you..

Who marries desperate old guys? We all know that.

[ChipButty]

4 minutes ago, Polaky said:

Only one...Susanlee

Susanski, 

[bob smith]

5 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Who marries desperate old guys?

you?

 

bob.

[howlee101]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Compare to about 5000 western fascists who have moved to Russia. 

I'm hoping more than 5000 liberals will move to Russia 🤔

[bobbin]

6 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Who marries desperate old guys? We all know that.

You're busted Boris!

 

FYI.. I'm prime marriage material in Thailand 😄

[susanlea]

Just now, bob smith said:

you?

 

bob.

Fake stories about alcohol, ladyboys and Russians. The cleaner was right about most foreigners.

[susanlea]

1 minute ago, bobbin said:

You're busted Boris!

 

FYI.. I'm prime marriage material in Thailand 😄

Prime material is old and nearly gone. Woman only has 3 years to wait.

[bobbin]

4 minutes ago, susanlea said:

Prime material is old and nearly gone. Woman only has 3 years to wait.

Rude and aggressive.. Russian for sure 😘

 

I think AN needs to do some housecleaning..

[susanlea]

1 minute ago, bobbin said:

Rude and aggressive.. Russian for sure 😘

Not Russian, don't like Russians, rarely meet them.

 

We all know what Thailand is really like. Don't need fake stories.

[bob smith]

Just now, susanlea said:

don't like Russians, rarely meet them.

...You've just made hundreds in Hua Hin!

 

bob.