TroubleandGrumpy Posted Monday at 04:35 AM Share Posted Monday at 04:35 AM 11 hours ago, neverere said: In our age, it is not difficult to source information. Truth should be you goal. Ditto - my last post to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroubleandGrumpy Posted Monday at 04:37 AM Share Posted Monday at 04:37 AM 22 minutes ago, Georgealbert said: And how does that contradict any of the research studies I posted? George - there are two sides to the debate - both are valid. But the EV supporters are far far more evangelical than ICE supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted Monday at 04:43 AM Share Posted Monday at 04:43 AM 5 minutes ago, Ralf001 said: no links then. colour me surprised ! Links I have already posted in this thread. Fire safety. https://textechindustries.com/blog/how-do-you-extinguish-a-lithium-battery-fire/ EV fire research https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10694-023-01473-w https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0379711223000978 NFPA EV response guides. https://www.nfpa.org/education-and-research/emergency-response/emergency-response-guides#aq=%40culture%3D"en"&cq=%40taglistingpage%3D%3D("EV Guides") &numberOfResults=12&sortCriteria=%40title ascending Car park fire reports https://www.bafsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/2018/12/Merseyside-FRS-Car-Park-Report.pdf http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1507286/FULLTEXT01.pdf Safety for emergency responders at electric vehicle https://www.evfiresafe.com Bodies covered in those links, are easy to find, but let me make it simple. Australian Department of Defence - http://www.defence.gov.au/ NFPA - https://www.nfpa.org/ AFAC (Australasian Fire Agencies Council) - https://www.afac.com.au/ 4. NFCC UK (National Fire Chief Council) - https://nfcc.org.uk/ 5. Fire Technology - https://link.springer.com/journal/10694 6. SFPE (The Society of Fire Protection Engineers) - https://www.sfpe.org/home 7. Fire Safety Journal - https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/fire-safety-journal 8. RISE Research Institutes of Sweden - https://risefr.com/ 9. Lund University, Sweden - https://www.lu.se/ 10. IFE - https://www.ife.org.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted Monday at 04:45 AM Share Posted Monday at 04:45 AM 6 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said: George - there are two sides to the debate - both are valid. But the EV supporters are far far more evangelical than ICE supporters. When ever have I said I was A EV supporter, I believe in facts and research, not conspiracies from unqualified, inexperienced people with no understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted Monday at 04:52 AM Share Posted Monday at 04:52 AM Removed a post with masked profanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverere Posted Monday at 06:18 AM Share Posted Monday at 06:18 AM 1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said: Check out my posted links. Or wait - are you a woke globalist? You will only believe something that is stated by the UN? You know the UN? An organisation that has corrupt totalitarian dictatorship countries on their Human Rights Committee. It was the UN that stated Covid19 was not transmissible from human to human - because China said so. My point being - what are your 'proof' courses? Because there aint none!! Like many things these days, they have become polar debates - this side versus that - and EVs versus ICE is the same. I dont take either side on this matter - I just take the truth - EVs are a false narrative - their downsides are being downplayed and their upsides are being overplayed. There are 3 groups of people on this issue (like so many issues). EV Supporters, ICE Supporters, and those like me that dont take either side. Sitting hgere on the fence I accasionaly drop down to one sidfe or the other, but mainly I sit on the fence. EV firs are real and are being downplayed. Example - EV supporters who dont say EVs do catch fire and uncontrollably burn with toxic smoke etc but that issue is being resolved and over time they will become extremely safe (probably) - they say 'more ICE vehicles burn'. "I dont(sic.) take either side on this matter, EVs are a false narrative." LOL. I, unlike you sir, do not have an agenda, I simply can't abide the spreading of misinformation. Your "woke globalist" remark says it all really. Proof has been provided my numerous posters, including myself, that contradicts your assertion, enough said on the issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted Monday at 06:36 AM Share Posted Monday at 06:36 AM 1 hour ago, Georgealbert said: Links I have already posted in this thread. Fire safety. https://textechindustries.com/blog/how-do-you-extinguish-a-lithium-battery-fire/ EV fire research https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10694-023-01473-w https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0379711223000978 NFPA EV response guides. https://www.nfpa.org/education-and-research/emergency-response/emergency-response-guides#aq=%40culture%3D"en"&cq=%40taglistingpage%3D%3D("EV Guides") &numberOfResults=12&sortCriteria=%40title ascending Car park fire reports https://www.bafsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/2018/12/Merseyside-FRS-Car-Park-Report.pdf http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1507286/FULLTEXT01.pdf Safety for emergency responders at electric vehicle https://www.evfiresafe.com Bodies covered in those links, are easy to find, but let me make it simple. Australian Department of Defence - http://www.defence.gov.au/ NFPA - https://www.nfpa.org/ AFAC (Australasian Fire Agencies Council) - https://www.afac.com.au/ 4. NFCC UK (National Fire Chief Council) - https://nfcc.org.uk/ 5. Fire Technology - https://link.springer.com/journal/10694 6. SFPE (The Society of Fire Protection Engineers) - https://www.sfpe.org/home 7. Fire Safety Journal - https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/fire-safety-journal 8. RISE Research Institutes of Sweden - https://risefr.com/ 9. Lund University, Sweden - https://www.lu.se/ 10. IFE - https://www.ife.org.uk/ Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted Monday at 11:29 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:29 PM 21 hours ago, KhunLA said: . that's some funny sh!t right there. You forgot to say, don't drive in the rain, as they catch fire and explode if wet also There was a coincidental tale in the local news of someone fitting a lithium battery to his vehicle to boost the AC and it burned to ashes. Oh that would be the OP of this thread. Is that quite as funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted Monday at 11:33 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:33 PM 1 minute ago, jacko45k said: There was a coincidental tale in the local news of someone fitting a lithium battery to his vehicle to boost the AC and it burned to ashes. Oh that would be the OP of this thread. Is that quite as funny! Not as funny as people saying speed bumps & rain will cause the EVs to flame up. Maybe next time OP will use a professional to modify his/her cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted Monday at 11:44 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:44 PM 6 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Maybe next time OP will use a professional to modify his/her cars. Heck no, it has been happening for years. It used to be vehicles that had the cowboy conversion to LNG/LPG that used to burst into flames here. I suspect the guy in the OP did not consider Lithium batteries need different charging than lead acid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted Tuesday at 12:34 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:34 AM 39 minutes ago, jacko45k said: Heck no, it has been happening for years. It used to be vehicles that had the cowboy conversion to LNG/LPG that used to burst into flames here. I suspect the guy in the OP did not consider Lithium batteries need different charging than lead acid. "User error" as I stated in original blip, is good for a chuckle, as long as nobody gets hurts. You can't fix stupid. Why I didn't try to install solar at the house (though probably could have), but definitely why I didn't try to convert my ICEV to an EV. Although has nothing to do with your silly statement of speed bump might cause a fire. Poor deflection on your part. 1 star out of 5 for effort, although surely some idiots out there would believe it, and repeat it. And how the silliness gets started. After 10 people repeat it, it morphs into ... "my friend knows someone who car blew up/caught fire after hitting a speed bump" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted Tuesday at 12:59 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:59 AM 23 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Although has nothing to do with your silly statement of speed bump might cause a fire. Let us stick with... Carelessly traversing a speed bump at high speeds can result in expensive repairs or even the need to replace the entire vehicle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted Tuesday at 01:08 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:08 AM (edited) 10 minutes ago, jacko45k said: Let us stick with... Carelessly traversing a speed bump at high speeds can result in expensive repairs or even the need to replace the entire vehicle. You can't fix stupid ... that's why they have speed limits. For idiots that don't know how to drive for conditions of the road or the day/weather. Obey the laws/limits, as we all know ... .... SPEED KILLS, or can be really expensive. Still deflecting though, as I'll await the first news-blip of EV exploding and on fire because of a speed bump, that they didn't bottom out on. It's not a box of nitro, its a simple car. When a Tesla can get hit so hard, that it splits the car in half, and no fire results, then I'm pretty confident our ZS can handle speed bumps. Edited Tuesday at 01:11 AM by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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