The longer i'm here and the more experience i have, i feel like Thai girls can tell...and are much more defensive whereas naive me first time in Thailand had much less trouble... Maybe i've changed and lost all sex appeal ? Or do girls can tell and 'farang roo mak mai dee'? 

8 minutes ago, Aurelien said:

Maybe i've changed and lost all sex appeal ?

 

Sex appeal has never been an issue for most bar girls.....I suspect.......even I don't struggle.

If you go somewhere new they should treat you like a newbie

It appears you're talking about bargirls.  If you can speak the language, then it's clear that you've been in-country for awhile.  But that doesn't mean you can't be fooled.  Of course, they may just know you as a cheap charlie. 

35 minutes ago, Aurelien said:

The longer i'm here and the more experience i have, i feel like Thai girls can tell...and are much more defensive whereas naive me first time in Thailand had much less trouble... Maybe i've changed and lost all sex appeal ? Or do girls can tell and 'farang roo mak mai dee'? 

Fooled in what way? Your topic is totally vague.

Some bargirls are smart. And in Thai society they learn all their life how to pretend to be somebody they are not.

 

I think the smart girls don't tell the guy any lies. They let the guy imagine what he wants to imagine. And then they don't discourage him from what they want to think.

 

Some time ago I was thinking about making my favorite bargirl my girlfriend. She "played" hard to get.

I was not interested in a sponsored relationship, and she knew that.

I remember once I asked her what she thinks about becoming my girlfriend. Her answer was "maybe", with some additional sentences that she just had a boyfriend, and she needs some time before she has another one, etc.

I interpreted this "maybe" as "yes, likely, just give me some time".

It never happened.

In the hindsight I think her maybe was more like "yes, maybe I win the lottery tomorrow, but maybe not".

The point is, she never lied. She let me believe what I wanted to believe.

 

Obviously, I/we should try not to make such mistakes. But then, we are also only human and like to dream about those maybe situations.

29 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think the smart girls don't tell the guy any lies. They let the guy imagine what he wants to imagine. And then they don't discourage him from what they want to think.

 

Seriously?  I would have to disagree.  Bargirls don't make money by being honest, they make it by lying and lying their as* off.  Which is ok, it's the nature of the job.  You won't find a bargirl telling a customer "I'm repulsed by you and would really hate having sex with you, but I need the money," or "I have a Thai boyfriend, even though I tell all my customers I hate Thai men," or "I spend all of my money on myself, not on my kids or my sick mother back home," or....well, you get the picture.

1 hour ago, Aurelien said:

The longer i'm here and the more experience i have, i feel like Thai girls can tell...and are much more defensive whereas naive me first time in Thailand had much less trouble... Maybe i've changed and lost all sex appeal ? Or do girls can tell and 'farang roo mak mai dee'? 

Why worry, just pay their price, have fun, and say goodbye.

Speak Thai, been here a long time, doesn't really matter. If they are hustling then they will still give it a go and see if you bite. If you've really fallen for them then it doesn't matter how much experience you have or how much you know about Thai girls. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, so even the more intuitive ones will still give it a try. Nothing to lose. If I were them I would do the same. At the end of the day, most Thai girls who are hustling just see all foreigners as a potential mark. 

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

Seriously?  I would have to disagree.  Bargirls don't make money by being honest, they make it by lying and lying their as* off.  Which is ok, it's the nature of the job.  You won't find a bargirl telling a customer "I'm repulsed by you and would really hate having sex with you, but I need the money," or "I have a Thai boyfriend, even though I tell all my customers I hate Thai men," or "I spend all of my money on myself, not on my kids or my sick mother back home," or....well, you get the picture.

 

I don't go out as much as I used to, but I still talk with enough girls and buy the some drinks.

I didn't hear for ages something like handsome man or sexy man or anything like this. I am pretty sure they don't tell me those lies because I would know it's a lie.

I don't ask them if they think I am the sexiest man they know. I don't want to hear the truth, and I don't want to hear an obvious lie.

 

If I would ask a girl if she wants to go with me, she will likely just say "yes". She doesn't tell me she only goes with me because she wants money. But why would she tell me? I didn't ask her, and I don't really want to know if her boyfriend wants a new motorcycle or her brother some drugs or whatever.

 

And then there are the situations where a girl tells a guy that she works to build a house. Maybe that's it, and she doesn't say anything more and that part of the conversation is over. But maybe the guy asks her then: How much do you need? Can I help you? 

His idea is maybe that if he helps her or maybe if he buys her a house, that she will love him and be happy ever after. But that is normally not what actually happens. Obviously, she will tell him that she likes when he gives her money to build the house. And she is happy.

How many girls tell a guy that if he buys her a house, she will love him until the rest of his life, be the perfect wife, don't go with other guys anymore, don't drink, and whatever else? Often the guy is the one who somehow assumes that she will do all that because he bought her a house or whatever.

 

Like I said above: He dreams his dream. And she is smart enough not to disturb his dream. 

Yet another misogynistic post that assumes all 'Thai girls' are gold diggers.

 

Every one of these posts reveals the extremely limited real-world experience the posters have of females in Thailand.

1 hour ago, HugoFastor said:

At the end of the day, most Thai girls who are hustling just see all foreigners as a potential mark.

 

There was a time when I visited with my gf her friends in some bars. So, I knew lots of bargirls not because I was a customer, but because they were friends of my gf.

I heard enough stories directly from them and also what they told my gf, and my gf told me.

It seems that almost all those bargirls have one customer who is more than just a customer. They would marry the guy right away, and money would not be the main reason.

Obviously, they still take the money, even from the guy who they would want to marry. And from the other guys they take the money because they work.

There is no conflict in above statements. They are just human - at least many of them. 😉 

 

17 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Yet another misogynistic post that assumes all 'Thai girls' are gold diggers.

 

Every one of these posts reveals the extremely limited real-world experience the posters have of females in Thailand.

555

 

So please tell us about your experience with Thai females who are not interested in money.

 

Please be aware that it's not about asking for money after a night, or monthly support, etc.

Women in general, not only in Thailand, prefer successful men, with a good income, a good job and career, etc. 

Is it only about the money? No. But money is often an important part of the deal - for all women.

 

 

 

 

 

To quote my friend with benefits...

"You think to much"

...do you think Thai girls can tell if you can't be fooled anymore?

 

Act like a newbie & you'll find out.

Think they know when to not bother trying to waste their time talking to someone who has heard most of the lines and knows most of the tricks and cons they would pull on someone just arrived.

Time is money to them so why waste it !

12 minutes ago, ronster said:

Think they know when to not bother trying to waste their time talking to someone who has heard most of the lines and knows most of the tricks and cons they would pull on someone just arrived.

Time is money to them so why waste it !

Totally agree. As soon as they (I'm talking bar girls, not all Thai women) have an inkling that you may not be fresh off the plane and naïve, they will move on to their next prey.

 

Doesn't make them bad - they just know not to waste too much time on you. It's their job after all.

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Some bargirls are smart. And in Thai society they learn all their life how to pretend to be somebody they are not.

 

I think the smart girls don't tell the guy any lies. They let the guy imagine what he wants to imagine. And then they don't discourage him from what they want to think.

 

Some time ago I was thinking about making my favorite bargirl my girlfriend. She "played" hard to get.

I was not interested in a sponsored relationship, and she knew that.

I remember once I asked her what she thinks about becoming my girlfriend. Her answer was "maybe", with some additional sentences that she just had a boyfriend, and she needs some time before she has another one, etc.

I interpreted this "maybe" as "yes, likely, just give me some time".

It never happened.

In the hindsight I think her maybe was more like "yes, maybe I win the lottery tomorrow, but maybe not".

The point is, she never lied. She let me believe what I wanted to believe.

 

Obviously, I/we should try not to make such mistakes. But then, we are also only human and like to dream about those maybe situations.

I met one girl who had managed 3 houses from her bf`s, but she never tried to lie or fool my with any bs, if not the 3 houses she showed me pictures of was BS. One for her, one for her mom, and one for her brother. Anyway, we just hanged out for awhile, and she found a long term bf, which was her speciality, and said she never went ST which she might had said because I said it 😄

 

Anyway, good fun just partying keeping us with company for awhile. 

 

Cant say I fancied the bar scene except for having some company without complications, and it had a start date and an end date

Bar gals with Tats all over themselves, coloured hair, and designer nails, are too seasoned in the role and can read you and adapt themselves to make you believe them, even when their stories are very believable. I prefer the newbies, no tats, black silky hair, short nails and poor story skills, they are keepers. The old saying is that under 6 months working a bar, you have a chance over 6 months, it is too late they can tell your cash situation just by how you walk. The older saying from up country is if she colours her hair, and paints her nails she is a bad girl. caught my one early and we have been married 25 years!

 

 

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

Yet another misogynistic post that assumes all 'Thai girls' are gold diggers.

 

Every one of these posts reveals the extremely limited real-world experience the posters have of females in Thailand.

So if I assume all women that will sleep with me are 'gold diggers', then I must hate women?

To be honest I wouldn't sleep with me either, without some financial inducement.

 

As for women that I don't want to sleep with ........ why would I even speak to them?

Obviously I'm polite to everyone, male or female, but I don't really want to waste my time and will disengage ASAP.

25 minutes ago, Keeps said:

Totally agree. As soon as they (I'm talking bar girls, not all Thai women) have an inkling that you may not be fresh off the plane and naïve, they will move on to their next prey.

 

Doesn't make them bad - they just know not to waste too much time on you. It's their job after all.

 

IMHO there are many girls who do most of the time their regular business. I do this, and you pay that. Fine.

And then some of the girl, depending on the area maybe many, also play special games with guy who want to play that game.

Newbies, guy who would never pay for sex, and whatever else.

I knew many girls who knew I am forever in Bangkok and some of them knew my gf, or at least the fact that I have a gf, and I had lots of drinks and sometime more with them.

It's not all about money for many girls all of the time.

 

 

20 minutes ago, phetpeter said:

Bar gals with Tats all over themselves, coloured hair, and designer nails, are too seasoned in the role and can read you and adapt themselves to make you believe them, even when their stories are very believable. I prefer the newbies, no tats, black silky hair, short nails and poor story skills, they are keepers. The old saying is that under 6 months working a bar, you have a chance over 6 months, it is too late they can tell your cash situation just by how you walk. The older saying from up country is if she colours her hair, and paints her nails she is a bad girl. caught my one early and we have been married 25 years!

 

If I would look for a new gf, and if I would look in a bar, then I would look for what you describe. Nice and innocent.

 

On the other hand, if I just want to f#%#, and maybe with a girl who is not surprised by anything anymore, then I don't care too much about their tats and nails. 😉 

 

 

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

Yet another misogynistic post that assumes all 'Thai girls' are gold diggers.

 

Every one of these posts reveals the extremely limited real-world experience the posters have of females in Thailand.

They don’t want our money.

 

They want our sperm.

I'll bet these poor bargirls who pay no tax, will be very happy when they get the 10K handout. More Tats maybe ...............

4 hours ago, Aurelien said:

i feel like Thai girls can tell...and are much more defensive

No, the sex trade in Thailand has just gotten much more commercial over the last 20-30 years. Less fake niceness than before, less willingness from the girls to waste a lot of time, and just more right down to business. There are also more guys now who are willing to pay them better and waste less time. It was bound to go that way over time.

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Some bargirls are smart. And in Thai society they learn all their life how to pretend to be somebody they are not.

 

I think the smart girls don't tell the guy any lies. They let the guy imagine what he wants to imagine. And then they don't discourage him from what they want to think.

 

Some time ago I was thinking about making my favorite bargirl my girlfriend. She "played" hard to get.

I was not interested in a sponsored relationship, and she knew that.

I remember once I asked her what she thinks about becoming my girlfriend. Her answer was "maybe", with some additional sentences that she just had a boyfriend, and she needs some time before she has another one, etc.

I interpreted this "maybe" as "yes, likely, just give me some time".

It never happened.

In the hindsight I think her maybe was more like "yes, maybe I win the lottery tomorrow, but maybe not".

The point is, she never lied. She let me believe what I wanted to believe.

 

Obviously, I/we should try not to make such mistakes. But then, we are also only human and like to dream about those maybe situations.

When a woman, anywhere in the world says “maybe’”, it always means “no”, but she doesn’t want to hurt your feelings… :-)

Obviously.

 

Buffalo sick?

Have you tried aspirin?

 

Brother (Thai boyfriend) in hospital!

Do you want thick or thin noodles?

 

My friend gets paid 80k baht salary from her farang!

Does he like to golf?

 

IME they are all liars, obviously there are varying degrees.

 

I just BS back.

 

Most can't remember a conversation from last night let alone anything else about what you or for that matter what she said.

 

It's a game, play the game or get sucked in...

It's an exchange. Why overthink it? If you like it, do it. If you don't, stay at home with your hot cocoa.

If you speak Thai to them they know you are not a tourist