Honest Question: How is Trump a 'threat to Democracy'?

[xylophone]

6 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

Yet, somehow, he is also the most lied about figure in American politics.

Care to enlighten us with some FACTs or Links to back up your post?

[alex8912]

Looks like all the big mouths can't really seriously and factually answer the OP. Similar to Kamala ironically. ( cue in cackling)

[diceman]

45 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

Looks like all the big mouths can't really seriously and factually answer the OP. Similar to Kamala ironically. ( cue in cackling)

true. just one single post stating that particular persons reasons. if each side cant communicate in a civil manner, then no wonder everythings in the mess its in. 

[zmisha]

9 hours ago, diceman said:

So the question remains, how exactly is Donald Trump a threat to democracy. Please be aware I have no horse in this race, like many around the world I am watching in shock and horror as the most powerful country on the planet seems to be destroying itself, and that's a concern for every (western) citizen. 

As can be seen from my country (Russia), under Biden the standard of living in the US has increased. From these elementary considerations alone, one can vote for those under whom the standard of living has increased - no matter who they are called - Democrats, Republicans or whoever else.

[Danderman123]

It's tough for Democracy to survive if elected leaders lie.

 

"They're eating the dogs 

They're eating the cats"

 

 

[nattaya09]

7 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, it does not, he has never faced charges of that, never mind been convicted of it.

...and besides, there was never an "insurrection" anyway

[Danderman123]

18 minutes ago, nattaya09 said:

...and besides, there was never an "insurrection" anyway

You are hanging your hat on semantics.

 

You do agree that Trump's people attacked the US Capitol to stop the certification of the vote. This was direct assault on our democracy.

[Danderman123]

Here's a thought: the day after the election, Trump sues in Federal Court to overturn the election. After denials on lower levels, Trump appeals to the Supreme Court with the hope that the SC will simply hand Trump the election because reasons.

[thrilled]

The dems like throwing it out there. Look at 2017-2020. It will be the same

[renaissanc]

He's a threat to the power of the corrupt Democrat-Marxist party and the Washington Swamp as they are called. They are trying to scare the population away from voting for him. You'll find that a lot of expats have bought into this narrative of the party and their obedient media watched by many expats 

Edited September 18 by renaissanc

[soalbundy]

14 hours ago, diceman said:

I politely asked IF the poster would like to add any negatives about the Democrats. It would be beneficial to hear both sides to the argument. No need to be aggressive.

If you want a comparison of the two parties you should start a new post, this is completely different from your original question. A Rep bad, Dem good or vice versa post will lead nowhere anyway.

[newbee2022]

It can't be an honest question, honestly😂.

Somebody, who declares to become a dictator when elected (even though for a day or more) is not a threat? 

What are you smoking??😂

[thailand49]

When it comes to politiics both side best to not discuss if you dont want an argument endless both side. 

Not one listens nothing good comes from the discussion and this fits eveey country in the world.

What goes around comes around US is in a bad place today but what has always been steady is the Consitution it works and it will work to keep whoever wins in place. There will be no gain without pain. 

I cant wait for it to be over tired watching both sides do their spin what a soap opera! 

[Thingamabob]

15 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

In a nutshell - find a copy of "Project 2025" and READ it. Don't just listen to others' opinions. Many of his former staff helped write it, and the forward was written by his VP pick J.D. Vance.

 

45 has denied any association with it. You HAVE to know he is the most prolific, blatant liar ever to be involved in politics at this level.

 

If that doesn't convince you then you don't want to be convinced, you just want to deny, ignore, lie, deflect or obfuscate the truth.

 

Up to you.

As another non- American I remain totally unconvinced by your argument. For you to say 'I HAVE to know' that Donald Trump is 'the most prolific, blatant liar ever....' is ridiculous, and makes you sound unstable or, at best, immature.

[Sorted2024]

A blind man on a galloping can see the Dems are  and some identify  like it 

[WDSmart]

As a US citizen, I have to preface my remarks that the USA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY, nor is any other country I know of. The USA is a REPUBLIC in which the representatives are supposedly democratically elected. But all that would best be taken up in another forum. So, I will address the question as it has been asked...

Trump is a threat to "democracy" IMO because of the following:

- He and the Republican Party continually strive to limit the number of people who are allowed to vote;

- He and the Republican Party are guilty of reformatting the districts within a state in favor of their party (gerrymandering) ;

- He continually spreads false information, which wrongly influences how people vote;

- If elected, he will continue to strive to become a dictator;

- If elected, I am sure he will try to remove the limitations that would prohibit him from running for president again so he could remain president indefinitely. (Of course, he is now 78, so, thankfully, that wouldn't be for too much longer).
 

There are many others, but those above are the strongest threats, again, IMO.

[Srikcir]

How is Santa Claus not real?

[TigerandDog]

16 hours ago, diceman said:

I politely asked IF the poster would like to add any negatives about the Democrats. It would be beneficial to hear both sides to the argument. No need to be aggressive.

you've done a Chump with this by deflecting. You can't change the topic midway through. If want people to give negatives about the Dems post in in a separate OP.

[Cory1848]

16 hours ago, diceman said:

I politely asked IF the poster would like to add any negatives about the Democrats. It would be beneficial to hear both sides to the argument. No need to be aggressive.

OK, here’s a nonaggressive answer from someone who’s somewhere to the left of the Green Party. Negatives about the Democratic Party: they are as up to their necks in corporate donor money as the Republicans are, and thus are beholden to corporate interests. I would add, however, that Democrats generally retain some sense of civic responsibility; present-day Republicans have gone off the deep end in their fealty to corporate money.

 

Trump is a threat to democracy because he intends to bring the Justice Department under his personal control (for purposes of prosecuting people he doesn’t like). While he can’t directly fire judges who don’t follow his orders, as he’s also threatened, he can direct Congress to impeach such judges. As he has already demonstrated, he can kill legislation by making a few phone calls to his congressional allies. And he intends to replace tens of thousands of career bureaucrats in the federal government with his own loyalists.

 

US democracy is based on the separation of powers (executive, legislative, and judicial); Trump has no interest in this and would seek to control all three branches of government. He has expressed admiration for strongmen, leading me and (based on polling) most other Americans to believe he seeks to emulate them.

 

And if I may be “mildly aggressive,” your original post requests, “no Russia collusion nonsense.” I would suggest that your news sources may not all be on the level, as there is broad evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 election, including contacts between Russian intelligence agents and Trump campaign staffers. This in and of itself does not pose a threat to US democracy, but your mentioning it in your original post tells me that you might be starting out on the wrong foot here.

[ChrisKC]

This is not an honest question at all, is it, riddled as it is with your own personal  Trump-based "rhetoric" designed only to provoke Forum Members into another completely unnecessary slanging match. 

 

For your information, Trump isn't a threat to democracy, he is a serious danger. Only half-wits who have watched and listened for months now would believe otherwise. 

 

As it relates to your "loaded" question, there are no negatives about threats to democracy from the Democrats. 

[thesetat2013]

16 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Trump has made it quite plain he will be clearing out the entire judicial system - Department of Justice, FBI etc. His past includes attempting to suborn votes in Georgia, putting up fake electors, and inciting an insurrection. He has appointed judges in multiple courts to follow his lead.

 

It's a pattern in history - Franco, Hitler and Lenin. Seizing power with a minority, then consolidating it with the legal system. He's already got the cult of personality entrenched.

To do all you say, he would need approval of many committees. You Democratic use anything to make it seem like he will be a dictator and be able to shut the whole Democratic system down when really that is a load of horse nonsense used as a scare tactic by the Dems themselves. He can recommend.. He can suggest. But he is unable to do all you say because those decisions are not made by one man alone. So you really need to think about that. Trump is only a threat to Democracy because the Dems say he is so they can continue to get rich controlling the governments. 

[EVENKEEL]

16 hours ago, Lacessit said:

7 million more votes for democracy.

 

Trump would have no chance at all if it was not for an undemocratic Electoral College.

The Electoral system keeps it fair. 

[EVENKEEL]

16 hours ago, diceman said:

I politely asked IF the poster would like to add any negatives about the Democrats. It would be beneficial to hear both sides to the argument. No need to be aggressive.

The dems are a very passive aggressive bunch. 

[mdr224]

17 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

In a nutshell - find a copy of "Project 2025" and READ it. Don't just listen to others' opinions. Many of his former staff helped write it, and the forward was written by his VP pick J.D. Vance.

 

45 has denied any association with it. You HAVE to know he is the most prolific, blatant liar ever to be involved in politics at this level.

 

If that doesn't convince you then you don't want to be convinced, you just want to deny, ignore, lie, deflect or obfuscate the truth.

 

Up to you.

Project 2025 is a leftwing media hoax. The real deep state supports democrats 

[thesetat2013]

21 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The Electoral system keeps it fair. 

Not when they go against what the public wants..

[Cory1848]

34 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The Electoral system keeps it fair. 

On the contrary, the Electoral College system keeps it very unfair, as voters in small states like North Dakota have more voting power than those in large states like California. And while there are some small blue states (Vermont) that have outsize power, and some large red states like Florida that have less (although Florida’s looking pretty purple again), this imbalance works in Republicans’ favor. Which is why a Democratic candidate can win the popular vote by millions of votes and still lose the election; that would never happen to a Republican candidate.

Edited September 19 by Cory1848

[Walker88]

7 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

Project 2025 is a leftwing media hoax. The real deep state supports democrats 

 

You get the anti-prolixity award for using so few words to get so much wrong.

 

Perhaps you haven't heard of search engines? You can use one of these new-fangled things to find the Heritage Foundation and look up Project 2025...even who wrote it. See what former President 140 of the authors worked for (hint: he has 34 felony convictions and is on the cusp of getting even more).

 

As for "Deep State", anyone who uses that term, without tongue in cheek, is someone who has never come remotely close to either the halls of power or reality. It's right up there with QAnon and shape-shifting lizard people from the rogue planet Nibiru.

 

(As a card-carrying member of the Deep State, it's major advantage is we get to shop at Titanic Duty Free and commute to work on the bathyscaphe Trieste. We're so low we have to look up to see down.)

[itsari]

17 hours ago, Lacessit said:

7 million more votes for democracy.

 

Trump would have no chance at all if it was not for an undemocratic Electoral College.

Was it not designed for giving smaller states a greater say in the presidential elections?

The system was began in 1787 which is a long time ago yet one can say the original reasons ofthe system still apply .

[BangkokReady]

9 hours ago, xylophone said:

Care to enlighten us with some FACTs or Links to back up your post?

 

Sure. I'll just take a look through the biased left-wing media that tells the lies about Trump to check. Or perhaps I'll use Google, where a search for "lies about Trump" returns exclusively links to claims of lies Trump has told.

 

Honestly, almost any "gotcha" moment from the biased MSM turns out to be untrue if you look into it.

[hotchilli]

If you think Harris is the best pick for the next 4 years then kiss USA goodbye.

Glad I'm not American