Kemi Badenoch: New Tory Leader “Labour’s worst nightmare”

[G_Money]

54 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You should find out yourself and not bother asking me 

You’re not a good representative of the party of love for all, acceptance, compassion, open minded and live and let live.

[mokwit]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Letting ripped memes do your thinking again.

It's a meme. People post them to make a point. You are the one who can't do thinking.

Edited November 4 by mokwit

[G_Money]

39 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

According to Wikipedia both Thatcher and Churchill were not ‘conservatives’ but both were ‘ideologically adherent to economic liberalism’.

To me they were pragmatic, results oriented leaders who were not impeded in their quest for results by prejudice, sectarianism or fanaticism. And this is what in essence conservatism is.

I live fanaticism to Marxists and Islamists.

Fooled me.  
 

The quote is still valid.

[jayboy]

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Lots of claims there of who holds what opinions but oddly no sources to back your claims.

 

 

 

If you are not aware of the debate in the Labour Party on the subject of Badenoch, it's not really for me to educate you.Nevertheless as a courtesy to other members - not committed to lazy group-think - herewith an article (before Badenoch's victory) from the left leaning Guardian which gives a flavour of the discussion.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/13/kemi-badenoch-tory-leadership-contest-labour

Edited November 4 by jayboy

[Nick Carter icp]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suggest you revisit Badenoch arguing with the Spear, it’s definitely it ‘a normal discussion’.

 

  Could you post a link up to it ?

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Could you post a link up to it ?

I don’t post videos, plenty of links online if you want one.

 

I am however surprised that anyone following Badenoch’s progress to head of the Tories is not aware of her well publicized run in with the Speaker.

 

I’m sure she has more where that came from.

She’s the choice I would have made for Tory leader, I’m delighted to see her appointed and look forward to her ‘performance’. 
 

 

 

Edited November 4 by Chomper Higgot

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t post videos, plenty of links online if you want one.

 

I am however surprised that anyone following Badenoch’s progress to head of the Tories is not aware of her well publicized run in with the Speaker.

 

I’m sure she has more where that came from.

She’s the choice I would have made for Tory leader, I’m delighted to see her appointed and look forward to her ‘performance’. 
 

 

 

 

  Why don't you post videos ?

Give me some words to search for on Youtube and I will look for the video and post it here myself , just to make sure that we are both on the same page .

   I havent been following her progress and this is the first that I've heard about her , never knew she existed before this thread  

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t post videos, plenty of links online if you want one.

 

 

   This video ?

She was severely criticized by the Speaker and She apologized and said that she was very sorry .

   That IS accepting criticism , she acknowledged that she was wrong and apologised 

 

 

 

 

[scubascuba3]

Good choice, glad she won, Robert Generic is just too flip floppy and another posh boy. Kemi is an engineer, trust one of those more than a studious lawyer

[Katatonica]

4 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I could but I would have to use big words you probably would struggle to comprehend. 

You're bluffing obviously.

 

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why don't you post videos ?

 

This poster doesn't need to. Doesn't watch videos other people post either. 

 

The Guardian tells them what to think about every issue. Thus, watching videos that reveal the truth can cause them cognitive dissonance.  

[Eloquent pilgrim]

40 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

If you are not aware of the debate in the Labour Party on the subject of Badenoch, it's not really for me to educate you.Nevertheless as a courtesy to other members - not committed to lazy group-think - herewith an article (before Badenoch's victory) from the left leaning Guardian which gives a flavour of the discussion.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/13/kemi-badenoch-tory-leadership-contest-labour

 

Indeed; and I personally think she will prove a more than awkward adversary to Two-Tier at PMQs … Interesting that even the left of left Guardian realises that she reads public opinion far better than Starmer regarding women’s rights, as highlighted by this quote from the link you provided.

 

“But on the fraught issue of sex and gender, her position is not, in the main, out of step with the public and she may be able to embarrass Starmer, who has in the past shown bewildering levels of prevarication on whether biological sex matters when it comes to single-sex services, sports and spaces”

 

 

[jayboy]

1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

But on the fraught issue of sex and gender, her position is not, in the main, out of step with the public and she may be able to embarrass Starmer, who has in the past shown bewildering levels of prevarication on whether biological sex matters when it comes to single-sex services, sports and spaces”

 

 

Correct but in my opinion she will reverse away from culture war stuff which doesn't have all that much resonance with the voting public outside the politically engaged.

 

My feeling is that she will concentrate on the economy and Labour's effort to crush initiative, play class warfare, increase taxation and enhance the role of the state.If Labour in its first term manages to improve public services so that voters actually notice then they will be able to marginalize Badenoch and the Tories once and for all.They will however also need to reform the NHS to bring it in line with European models through private sector/insurance based funding.The fools who claim "our NHS" is the envy of the world are liars.It is not.

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Indeed; and I personally think she will prove a more than awkward adversary to Two-Tier at PMQs … Interesting that even the left of left Guardian realises that she reads public opinion far better than Starmer regarding women’s rights, as highlighted by this quote from the link you provided.

 

 

   Wonder whether Keir will remain standing ?

 

 

 

 

 

[PETERTHEEATER]

In retaliation, the Lahour party will replace Keir Starmer with Diane Abbot....😂

[Nick Carter icp]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Her inability to accept criticism is a weakness, it’s now going to be on full display.

 

   You have made that claims numerous times that she cannot accept criticism .

   You also take great pride that you admit when you are wrong about something and hold your hands up and admit that that you were wrong and that you are an exemplary person because you admit when you are wrong .

   You claimed that she cannot accept criticism 

I posted a video of her accepting criticism and admitting that she was wrong .

  Now, are you going to admit that you were wrong ?

Will you accept that you were wrong and retract your allegation about Kemi ?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You have made that claims numerous times that she cannot accept criticism .

   You also take great pride that you admit when you are wrong about something and hold your hands up and admit that that you were wrong and that you are an exemplary person because you admit when you are wrong .

   You claimed that she cannot accept criticism 

I posted a video of her accepting criticism and admitting that she was wrong .

  Now, are you going to admit that you were wrong ?

Will you accept that you were wrong and retract your allegation about Kemi ?

You posted the very video of her getting ripped by the speaker for trying to invent excuses to avoid the criticism she was facing. 
 

Only when she was completely humiliated did she make a half assed back down.

 

There will undoubtedly be more of this to come in the future.

 

I’ll say it again.

 

I’m delighted she’s been chosen as leader of what’s left of the Tories, she’s a gift to Labour and the Lib Dems.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

This poster doesn't need to. Doesn't watch videos other people post either. 

 

The Guardian tells them what to think about every issue. Thus, watching videos that reveal the truth can cause them cognitive dissonance.  

I’ve explained many times why I don’t post videos, least of all this is a discussion forum.

 

There’s a  clue in the name.

 

 

Edited November 4 by Chomper Higgot

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You posted the very video of her getting ripped by the speaker for trying to invent excuses to avoid the criticism she was facing. 
 

Only when she was completely humiliated did she make a half assed back down.

 

There will undoubtedly be more of this to come in the future.

 

I’ll say it again.

 

I’m delighted she’s been chosen as leader of what’s left of the Tories, she’s a gift to Labour and the Lib Dems.
 

 

   She accepted criticism and apologised .

Will you be withdrawing your claim that she cannot accept criticism or will you be standing by it ?

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   She accepted criticism and apologised .

Will you be withdrawing your claim that she cannot accept criticism or will you be standing by it ?

She got ripped new one.

 

Her ‘apology’ was the stuff of much laughter.

 

There’s undoubtedly more to come.

[mokwit]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve explained many times why I don’t post videos, least of all this is a discussion forum, Tgere’s a clue in the name.

So we can look forward to you engaging in discussion rather than posting links and making snidey remarks when you are called out?

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, mokwit said:

So we can look forward to you engaging in discussion rather than posting links and making snidey remarks when you are called out?

I post links to support claims I make, as per forum rules.

 

I don’t engage I personal attacks.

[mokwit]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I post links to support claims I make, as per forum rules.

 

I don’t engage I personal attacks.

Er, I think you do.

[Red Forever]

8 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Exactly.

 

Personally I think Kemi is a good choice and I am very happy to have her as leader of the opposition. Her gender/colour is irrelevant to me, although I do see the irony that it's the "progressive" Labour party that claim to be obsessed with indentity, DEI and equality yet it's the Conservatives who frequently have female and non-white leaders. 

 

However, we all know that the left are exactly what they accuse others of being. 

 

I hope Kemi tears Starmer a new one at PMQ's.

She has form as a minister in a disgraced government mired in sleaze and cronyism. So its fair that the electorate call her out.

As for Starmer, it would be unfair to begin calling him out until say, 3 years in power. He's doing the groundwork now to turn the country around after the Tory's disastrous 14 years of raping the country.

[Will B Good]

8 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Exactly.

 

Personally I think Kemi is a good choice and I am very happy to have her as leader of the opposition. Her gender/colour is irrelevant to me, although I do see the irony that it's the "progressive" Labour party that claim to be obsessed with indentity, DEI and equality yet it's the Conservatives who frequently have female and non-white leaders. 

 

However, we all know that the left are exactly what they accuse others of being. 

 

I hope Kemi tears Starmer a new one at PMQ's.

 

 

"Her gender/colour is irrelevant to me"............5555

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

"Her gender/colour is irrelevant to me"............5555

 

Clearly it is to you.

 

Please take your racism elsewhere. 

[simon43]

To remind everyone, (in case it hasn't yet been mentioned):

 

Her name is actually Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke Badenoch

Her parents are Nigerian, not British, and were not born in the UK

Although born in the UK herself, she spent her childhood and teenage years living in Nigeria.

She is quoted as saying that she is to all intents and purposes a first-generation immigrant

 

We are a strange nation, which see no conflicts of interest when appointing those with foreign parents to important political positions (think Sunak as well...)

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

"Her gender/colour is irrelevant to me"............5555

 

   The suggesting that other people are racist is wearing a bit thin now .

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Clearly it is to you.

 

Please take your racism elsewhere. 

 

 

You do know she's a muslim?

 

 

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The suggesting that other people are racist is wearing a bit thin now .

 

 

Hardly.....people on here openly declare themselves as racists.....if the cap fits......