Why I left Thailand

[cardinalblue]

No issue to returning to home country due to free/low health care coverage 

[Keeps]

  On 11/9/2024 at 11:36 PM, GypsyT said:

Listen, Boris Johnson;

Tell that to tens of thousands Britts who can't enjoy Spanish and other warm EU places they bought more than 90 days!" And many lost a lot of Euros when selling...

 

"After spending 90 days in Spain, you must leave the Schengen Area. To return, you'll need to wait until another 90 days have passed since your last entry. This ensures you comply with the 90/180-day rule and can plan your next visit accordingly.13 Jun 2024"

 

Smart  Ireland, seem to do well;

"Statistics from the European Commission's 2024 Joint Employment Report show that the Irish employment rate reached a record high of 78.2% in 2022, while the unemployment rate was at an historically low level of 4.5%.12 Apr 2024"

 

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There are various Visa options available for Non EU members to retire in Spain. 

 

https://advocateabroad.com/spain/retired-in-spain/

[Confuscious]

  On 11/10/2024 at 1:39 AM, 4MyEgo said:

 

It took a Dr at her clinic who is also the head of pediatrics at the government hospital in our area, who provided me with a weeks course of antibiotics, which didn't work, then provided me with another course of antibiotics for a week, after I returned.

 

Then I saw the hospitals specialist a week later, who looked far to young to be a specialist, e.g. around 20-25, who was more interested in playing texts on his mobile, that didn't do anything to improve my condition, I would say they both nearly killed me, as I was very weak and felt as if I was slipping away from this earth.

 

He said to my wife that based on what she told him, it sounds like I was getting better, back to texting,  both didn't use any stethoscopes to listen to my chest or ask me to open my mouth to check my airways, both misdiagnosing the severe chest infection that I had for the flu, this over a 3 week period with my condition exacerbating. 

 

As I was new to Thailand and the area, I asked my wife if there was another hospital, like a private one that we could go to because I wasn't convince, yes, but very expensive she said, Jesus Christ I said, stop thinking with your village mentality and get me there NOW.

 

An hour later we were there, saw the Dr in 5-10 minutes vs hours, he used his stethoscope and sent me for a chest and sinus X-ray, which showed that those areas were clear. The Dr then referred me to the Specialist across the hallway, (straight away), another 5-10 minute wait, she used her stethoscope and inspected my airways to also listen.

 

She said that I had a severe chest infection and it would appear that I was exposed to mold (wet season) as my air passage appeared inflamed and narrow, she was spot on, as it just dawned on me at that moment, that where I sat, directly above had an old wet spot from a previous roof leak which was repaired, had turned black, so I was exposed to the molds spores.

 

She gave me a dose of antibiotics, steroid puffer and some other pills, all labelled, not like the unnamed ones the Dr at the clinic provided me, (what if I had an allergic reaction), what would my wife tell the medics ?

 

I was feeling 80% better by the time we got home, went back a week later, then 2, then 4.

 

Some might say, privates are expensive, 4,000 1st visit with X-rays & meds, 2nd and 4th visits, 1,500 as we purchased the meds externally for half the price, making up the excuse that the wife's cousin has a pharmacy which the specialist noted.

 

Moral of the story, you won't see me in a government hospital here, although I have heard the military ones are also good.

 

But while I have money, I figure my life is worth more in the hands of the private hospital than those in the government hospital who see far far far far too many patients, e.g. 300 patients, 2-3 Dr's. 

 

 

 

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I had exactly the same experience when I came to korat 

It was not the doctors or hospital fault, but the fault that I was convinced that my wife knew English and was translating everything well.

It came out that her translation was completely wrong and that she was trying to save a few baht. From that day on, I didn't use my "walking translator" anymore.

[GypsyT]

  On 11/10/2024 at 4:21 AM, Keeps said:

There are various Visa options available for Non EU members to retire in Spain. 

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I know. One cost effective, and often used, is inner tube trip from Africa.

 

English have a little bit Capt Bligh in them so;  "Sin Problemas"

[Confuscious]

  On 11/10/2024 at 4:21 AM, Keeps said:

There are various Visa options available for Non EU members to retire in Spain. 

 

https://advocateabroad.com/spain/retired-in-spain/

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Most of the English people and other nationalities I meet here are living here full time and have purchased a nice apartment or house in THEIR OWN NAME.

[Lorry]

  On 11/9/2024 at 12:29 PM, Confuscious said:

Huh??????????????????????

EU citizens are FREE to travel between EU countries WITHOUT A VISA.
Welcome to the REAL WORLD.

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EU citizens are free to travel anywhere in the EU.

They are not free to live/settle down anywhere in the EU.

They are free to work anywhere in the EU.

 

But if you are retired, not working:

You can stay 3 months, after this,  you need a permission of stay.

It's different in every country,  but generally requires proof of income or financial stability,  and proof of health insurance. 

 

Spain: beware of the tax traps many expats have fallen into, eg property tax for foreigners. 

Greece: no medical care.  You have to bribe even the dentist if you want treatment - and it's still bad.

Portugal: public medical care is soso, a bit better than in Thailand.  Private medical care is by far not as good as in Thailand,.

 

 

[Confuscious]

  On 11/10/2024 at 7:20 AM, Lorry said:

EU citizens are free to travel anywhere in the EU.

They are not free to live/settle down anywhere in the EU.

They are free to work anywhere in the EU.

 

But if you are retired, not working:

You can stay 3 months, after this,  you need a permission of stay.

It's different in every country,  but generally requires proof of income or financial stability,  and proof of health insurance. 

 

Spain: beware of the tax traps many expats have fallen into, eg property tax for foreigners. 

Greece: no medical care.  You have to bribe even the dentist if you want treatment - and it's still bad.

Portugal: public medical care is soso, a bit better than in Thailand.  Private medical care is by far not as good as in Thailand,.

 

 

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I have no plans to play that game.

I will stay here 179 days and travel to other countries as long as I can.

Travel as a tourist with the health care insurance of my country.

Besides that, my country has double tax agreements with almost every country.

[Hummin]

  On 11/10/2024 at 7:20 AM, Lorry said:

EU citizens are free to travel anywhere in the EU.

They are not free to live/settle down anywhere in the EU.

They are free to work anywhere in the EU.

 

But if you are retired, not working:

You can stay 3 months, after this,  you need a permission of stay.

It's different in every country,  but generally requires proof of income or financial stability,  and proof of health insurance. 

 

Spain: beware of the tax traps many expats have fallen into, eg property tax for foreigners. 

Greece: no medical care.  You have to bribe even the dentist if you want treatment - and it's still bad.

Portugal: public medical care is soso, a bit better than in Thailand.  Private medical care is by far not as good as in Thailand,.

 

 

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Private hospitals in the major cities and tourist places is on pair if not better than Thailand in Portugal and Spain, but the government health care if that is important, I would had chosen France above every other Eu country. They score high on the most except friendlyness 😄

 

A smaller fishing village would be a good base for a long stay in EU, and as said above, at once in Eu, you are free to travel all over Eu included EEA

[proton]

  On 11/7/2024 at 6:07 AM, Caldera said:

Spain seems like a good choice for an EU citizen wishing to return to Europe, best of luck to you there.

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Most of it is semi desert, and the shops close in the afternoon, horrible. Portugal or Cyprus are better

[Lorry]

  On 11/10/2024 at 8:16 AM, Hummin said:

Private hospitals in the major cities and tourist places is on pair if not better than Thailand in Portugal

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Are you qualified to judge this? 

Obviously not. 

The private hospitals on the Algarve and Hospital da Luz are good, but Hospital da Luz is a bureaucratic nightmare.  The others... have fun!

[Hummin]

  On 11/10/2024 at 10:09 AM, Lorry said:

Are you qualified to judge this? 

Obviously not. 

The private hospitals on the Algarve and Hospital da Luz are good, but Hospital da Luz is a bureaucratic nightmare.  The others... have fun!

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I spent a few years in Portugal skydiving, and as a skydiver, you frequently experienced skydivers, who for some reasons had to use their hospitals, and you also have comparisson pages that measure different parameters when it comes to social security, healthcare so you can pick a few and compare them up against each other. Portugal is one of the cheaper, but not so effective compared to Spain, where I have family living. Subjective based opinion might be, but there is as said plenty of different sources to pick from 

 

https://www.statista.com/topics/9017/global-health-care-systems-comparison/#editorsPicks

 

https://www.numbeo.com/health-care/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Thailand&country2=Portugal

 

https://www.numbeo.com/health-care/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Spain&country2=Portugal

 

https://www.numbeo.com/health-care/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Portugal&country2=France

 

 

 

[save the frogs]

This is pretty funny. Irish alpha omega dude is having a meltdown in his latest video. 

Complaining about dual pricing in Thailand, have to wait 15 minutes for breakfast at McDonald's ... and ... ends the video by recommending farangs don't marry a Thai woman because you'll have to deal with her family .... and it seems his Thai wife is giving him a hard time because he's not giving her enough money. 

Classic stuff! Must watch!

 

 

[Confuscious]

  On 11/10/2024 at 9:59 AM, proton said:

 

Most of it is semi desert, and the shops close in the afternoon, horrible. Portugal or Cyprus are better

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When was your last visit to Spain (if ever)?
Most of the shops are open from 10am to 8pm.
Big outlets like Marcadonna, Aldi, Lidl, etc. are open from 10am to 10 pm and offer home delivery (internet shopping).
Lots of little shops are open 24/24 hr, kind of like 7/11 shops.
Several "mom & dad" shops are open from early morning to late night and will deliver when it is in the neighborhood.

[Confuscious]

  On 11/10/2024 at 10:35 AM, save the frogs said:

This is pretty funny. Irish alpha omega dude is having a meltdown in his latest video. 

Complaining about dual pricing in Thailand, have to wait 15 minutes for breakfast at McDonald's ... and ... ends the video by recommending farangs don't marry a Thai woman because you'll have to deal with her family .... and it seems his Thai wife is giving him a hard time because he's not giving her enough money. 

Classic stuff! Must watch!

 

 

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Funny.
Remember me of my 1st Visa extention in 2004 at Suan Phlu in Bangkok.
At that time, there was no local Immigration in Korat.
My wife, my daughter and me went to Suan Phlu for my "Spouse Visa" extension.
While processing my application, one of the officers invited my wife to a separate room.
On returning, she said that it was OK for now but my next appplication would not be so easy if I kept threating her this way.
Flabbergasted, when I arrived home I asked my wife what the Immigration officer meant with that and her answer was "I don't know".
The next year, my wife was invited again for a chat with the Immigration officer.
On her return, the officer said that my extension was refused on the ground that I didn't provide enough support for her parents and her son (from a previous marriage).
I went home, booked a trip to Belgium and on my return I applied for a "Retirement" visa.

[proton]

  On 11/10/2024 at 10:58 AM, Confuscious said:

When was your last visit to Spain (if ever)?
Most of the shops are open from 10am to 8pm.
Big outlets like Marcadonna, Aldi, Lidl, etc. are open from 10am to 10 pm and offer home delivery (internet shopping).
Lots of little shops are open 24/24 hr, kind of like 7/11 shops.
Several "mom & dad" shops are open from early morning to late night and will deliver when it is in the neighborhood.

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2 years ago Mercia region all the shops shut in the afternoon and restaurants opened when they felt like it. Boring and dispiriting place, never going back.

[Chris Daley]

I'm look forward to cancer.  What will come first crumbling bones or lung filling with fluid?  So exciting.

[GypsyT]

EU lovers; Pls, let's keep quiet about Spain & Portugal. We don't want these whiners as neighbors....

 

 

[still kicking]

  On 11/14/2024 at 7:55 AM, Chris Daley said:

I'm look forward to cancer.  What will come first crumbling bones or lung filling with fluid?  So exciting.

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Sick 

[NoDisplayName]

  On 11/10/2024 at 10:35 AM, save the frogs said:

This is pretty funny. Irish alpha omega dude is having a meltdown in his latest video. 

Complaining about dual pricing in Thailand, have to wait 15 minutes for breakfast at McDonald's ... and ... ends the video by recommending farangs don't marry a Thai woman because you'll have to deal with her family .... and it seems his Thai wife is giving him a hard time because he's not giving her enough money. 

Classic stuff! Must watch!

 

 

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Thanks for that.

Gonna have to bookmark his channel.

Will check back when Thailand announces worldwide income tax!

[Confuscious]

The start of my life in Thailand.

https://thailife25.blogspot.com/2024/11/the-start-of-my-life-in-thailand.html
 

[ChaiyaTH]

  On 11/10/2024 at 7:20 AM, Lorry said:

EU citizens are free to travel anywhere in the EU.

They are not free to live/settle down anywhere in the EU.

They are free to work anywhere in the EU.

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Ehh incorrect, you are free to settle down and live anywhere in the EU, where you even get the logic from that would not be allowed. This was even the case before there was free travel too.

 

Explain to me where in EU I would not be allowed to settle down or live if being from the EU? I have formally lived in multiple European countries other than my own, never a single issue.

 

Of course that does mean you would register at the local province, have a local health insurance as well as pay the local taxes and more but there is nothing that stops you from doing that at all. Even better, over time you can obtain the nationality on top.

[Confuscious]

Leaving Thailand

https://thailife25.blogspot.com/2024/11/leaving-thailand-although-living-in.html
 

[ChaiyaTH]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:04 PM, Confuscious said:

Leaving Thailand

https://thailife25.blogspot.com/2024/11/leaving-thailand-although-living-in.html
 

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Good read. I'm looking myself into start living in Spain half the year at least, from next year too.

[Lorry]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:03 PM, ChaiyaTH said:

Ehh incorrect, you are free to settle down and live anywhere in the EU, where you even get the logic from that would not be allowed. This was even the case before there was free travel too.

 

Explain to me where in EU I would not be allowed to settle down or live if being from the EU? I have formally lived in multiple European countries other than my own, never a single issue.

 

Of course that does mean you would register at the local province, have a local health insurance as well as pay the local taxes and more but there is nothing that stops you from doing that at all. Even better, over time you can obtain the nationality on top.

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You are just plain wrong, what can I say...

Yes, many EU countries are quite relaxed about these things,  but you have absolutely no right to settle down anywhere in the EU if you are not working. 

Prime example: Bulgarians/Romanian in rich EU countries. 

Even the Irish wife of my German friend was not automatically allowed to stay as long as she wanted.

[ChaiyaTH]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:30 PM, Lorry said:

You are just plain wrong, what can I say...

Yes, many EU countries are quite relaxed about these things,  but you have absolutely no right to settle down anywhere in the EU if you are not working. 

Prime example: Bulgarians/Romanian in rich EU countries. 

Even the Irish wife of my German friend was not automatically allowed to stay as long as she wanted.

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'Not automatically', yeah obviously you need to register and then the other comparison to bulgarians or romanians, do you even expect a response? And in fact, those can live anywhere too even with poor paid construction jobs. So anyway, what you say is incorrect entirely. 

[Lorry]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:31 PM, ChaiyaTH said:

those can live anywhere too even with poor paid construction jobs

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That's the whole point that you are not able to understand. 

For the 3rd time: you can work anywhere in the EU, and if you have a job in country XYZ, you con live there too.

But if you have no job, e.g. you are retired or a housewife,  there is no right to live anywhere in the EU.

 

 

[Lorry]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:31 PM, ChaiyaTH said:

comparison to bulgarians or romanians, do you even expect a response?

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It may be news to you,  but they are human (really) with a EU passport.

[proton]

  On 11/7/2024 at 12:11 PM, save the frogs said:

Irish vlogger, has been in Thailand 12 years, married and has a son in Thailand. He's getting tired of the visa bureaucracy. And sounds like if he had known he would have gone to Spain instead. If I had an EU passport, I would also prefer southern Europe. 

 

 

 

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This is the guy who (allegedly) served time in Ireland for trying to kill his wife, If I saw him walking down the street I'd cross to the other side.

[proton]

  On 11/10/2024 at 10:35 AM, save the frogs said:

This is pretty funny. Irish alpha omega dude is having a meltdown in his latest video. 

Complaining about dual pricing in Thailand, have to wait 15 minutes for breakfast at McDonald's ... and ... ends the video by recommending farangs don't marry a Thai woman because you'll have to deal with her family .... and it seems his Thai wife is giving him a hard time because he's not giving her enough money. 

Classic stuff! Must watch!

 

 

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Yes that's him, his original channel was taken down by him when he got exposed about 3 years ago for his past in Ireland, certainly one who came here to get away from it all.

[Confuscious]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:56 PM, Lorry said:

That's the whole point that you are not able to understand. 

For the 3rd time: you can work anywhere in the EU, and if you have a job in country XYZ, you con live there too.

But if you have no job, e.g. you are retired or a housewife,  there is no right to live anywhere in the EU.

 

 

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Email from the Spanish Authorities:

Re: Return to Europe

Concejalía Relaciones con UE

Thu, Nov 7, 2:22 PM (12 days ago)

 

Any nationality must register when they come to live in Spain.

Spaniards are a bit special because they keep a census abroad managed by consulates.

So you can register with your Belgian ID or passport.

To register in a rental property, the following documentation is required:

- Rental contract

- Latest water or electricity bill (it doesn't matter whose name it is under).

- Last rent payment receipt

When you have the documentation we can make an appointment to help with the application for registration on the census. On Tuesdays we attend at the town hall of La Mata if it is convenient for you to come by on Tuesday.

All the best,

International Residents