Will Trump deport the LEGAL Haitian migrants in Ohio as promised?

[blaze master]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Different times.

That program was brutal and racist.

What's to address?

 

The fact that very little resources did the job. You of course have evidence that it was brutal right.

 

Or is it just another one of your outlandish claims. 

[mogandave]

9 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Mass deportation is already being walked back in the Murdoch press:  https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-immigration-policy-tom-homan-deportation-border-stephen-miller-19e0e963?st=UZw23i&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

 

This is an opinion piece by the Editorial Board, so it is plenty Trumpy.

 

Haitians in Springfield probably won't be a priority if this is how thing go.

Per Trump, Haitians in Springfield are not top priority. 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Per Trump, Haitians in Springfield are not top priority. 

 

It sure seemed to be a high priority during his campaign: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/03/trump-haitian-migrants-deport-00182328

[Nid_Noi]

On 11/11/2024 at 6:53 PM, Jingthing said:

Specifically Springfield Ohio.

Of the they're eating the dogs they're eating the cats infamy.

But that was a racist lie.

But Trump Vance have promised to deport those hard working legal migrants anyway who are doing jobs citizens won't take.

I have learned dictator on day one Trump can't unilaterily deport them because they are legal because they do have a right to a hearing. But he can still effectively deport them just by adding that extra step. So takes longer and costs more.

 

So do you think he will actually go ahead with deporting them?

 

Or will he end up being all bark all meow no bite no claw and let them stay after all?

 

 

« A grant of asylum does not convey a right to remain permanently in the United States and may be terminated.

The date of the asylum grant guides the termination procedures.

Fraud in the application pertaining to eligibility for asylum at the time it was granted is grounds for termination regardless of the filing date.

The USCIS may terminate asylum if USCIS determines that the applicant:

- no longer meets the definition of a refugee,

- ordered, incited, assisted or participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group or political opinion,

- constitutes a danger to the community of the USA, if convicted of a particular serious crime,

- committed a serious non-political crime outside the USA prior to arriving,

- is a danger to the security of the USA,

- ….and many more clauses…like:

-termination of asylum status for a principal asylee also results in termination of any derivative’s asylum status.

Of course procedures and dispositions can be amended by vote of the congress.

If there is a will there is a way to execute the termination of the asylum.

As you may know or not the customs and immigration officer has the authority to decide of your entry or your expulsion.

[ericthai]

On 11/11/2024 at 7:44 AM, 0ffshore360 said:

And a reduction in consumerism to the amount of Trump's claimed  15-20 million people?

Does that  equate to more for  less or less for more?

 

 

 

 illegal immigrants that are working are not going to restaurants and buying unnecessary things.

They buy enough to survive and then send the rest of the money to their home countries. So really not that much consumerism and a lot of cash outflow. 

 

Most if not all are working under the table so they not paying taxes and since it appears they aren't working if they get sick or hurt they get free medical care, if they have kids they are going to school. So they are utilizing government programs without any contribution.  

 

To allow illegal immigrants in the USA is a slap in the face to legal immigrants. 

[Lacessit]

35 minutes ago, mogandave said:

No one believes you anymore. 

 

Snap.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

3 hours ago, mogandave said:

He built over 500 miles of wall, and the only reason it was not completed was because the left fought it tooth and nail. 

 

Please Lord, let the left continue fighting the wall and deportations at least until after the midterms. 

Most of that was repair or replacement of existing structures. Only about 80 miles of new wall was built during his term.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46748492

[NoDisplayName]

In case you're wondering, the big, beautiful wall and the chain-link fences are found mostly around urban areas.

 

There are hundreds and hundreds of miles where the "border" consists of rusty 3-strand cattle fence, in many places missing entirely.

 

It's child's play to cross the border undetected in the rural districts.

I know.  I've been there.  I've done it.

 

When the Border Patrol boasts they've made xx,000 "contacts," that's just the foolish ones that got caught.  There are millions more that make it undetected.

 

[Patong2021]

In respect to deportations, the first priority will be the 1 million+ people who are already subject to a deportation order.

The reality is that  the Trump administration will struggle to accomplish its promise. The reasons are self evident;

 

1. Past Performance:   Trump only deported approx. 1.5 million over 4 years.  The Obama 1st administration deported almost 2X as many people - 2.9 million and approx.  1.9 million in the 2nd Obama administration. The Biden administration currently sits at  an estimated 1.49 million deportations  and will most likely be at 1.75+ by the time Trump is inaugurated.

 

2. Capability & Expense: It is expensive to deport people. They have to first be detained, and then held and processed before they can be  deported. Although ICE and CBP employ close to 90,000 people, only 20,000 of them are U.S. Border Patrol agents. Approx.  $6 billion is spent on enforcement and detention.  An estimated 3,000 of these agents are dedicated to the  detention and deportation of unauthorized migrants.  In FY 2024, Congress provided $3.43 billion to immigration detention centers alone. In contrast, Congress appropriated just $840 million for the entire immigration court system, and funded $424 million to the entirety of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services’ refugee and asylum division. It becomes obvious that the problem is in the processing of the unauthorized migrants. In order to ramp up deportations, common sense says that the  budget would have to increase significantly. Tens of thousands of additional agents would also be needed.  There are staffing shortages now. Where are these agents supposed to come from?

 

3. Destination: Deportations are not easy. In order to deport someone, you have to be able to send them to a country willing to accept them. Canada doesn't want them, nor does it have the ability to take them in. It already has 5 million temporary Canadians who have overloaded the education and healthcare system and contributed to an affordable housing crisis. Mexico won't take them because most would not be Mexican nationals and is already struggling with millions of unauthorized migrants.  One can't  wave a magic wand and say begone and the migrants end up back  in Venezuela, Bolivia, Iraq, Chad etc.  The UK has been struggling to deport thousands of people only to have deportation flights halted by activists or to be refused landing in destination countries. The USA faces the same issue.  

 

The reality is that it will be a difficult task and it doesn't matter who is in charge, deporting  millions isn't going to happen any time soon.

 

Edited November 12 by Patong2021

[pattayasan]

The reality is that it's not going to happen at all. It was purely racist rhetoric to get the votes.

[Yagoda]

13 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

No,. He was a member of German Socialist Party which was far right.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Socialist_Party

Far right Socialist lol.

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, pattayasan said:

The reality is that it's not going to happen at all. It was purely racist rhetoric to get the votes.

He won and your side lost and therefore you are the racists.

[simple1]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Far right Socialist lol.

 

Did you read the link? So many right of centre people are unable to comprehend the manipulation of the word "socialist" for political purposes, more than likely deliberately.  Here's another example; Democratic Republic of Korea or are you going to claim North Korea is in fact democratic?

[Yagoda]

38 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Did you read the link? So many right of centre people are unable to comprehend the manipulation of the word "socialist" for political purposes, more than likely deliberately.  Here's another example; Democratic Republic of Korea or are you going to claim North Korea is in fact democratic?

Start a topic then Simple One. Ive tried to get you Wikpediates to do that but you are all scared.

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Start a topic then Simple One. Ive tried to get you Wikpediates to do that but you are all scared.

No. You & others will only defect / flame

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

No. You & others will only defect / flame

Translation: Im afraid to debate you, like all the other Leftists.

[Yellowtail]

14 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

It sure seemed to be a high priority during his campaign: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/03/trump-haitian-migrants-deport-00182328

An opinion piece. 

[Yellowtail]

14 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Most of that was repair or replacement of existing structures. Only about 80 miles of new wall was built during his term.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46748492

It was all replacement, which makes perfect sense to anyone being honest, because areas that already had barrier were the most critical. Building new wall across the middle of a desert, makes little sense if the everyone is going through the dilapidated barrier that runs through the middle of town, does it? 

 

The media hate Trump, and they are liars. 

 

DHS and CBP Celebrate 400 Miles of New Border Wall System | Homeland Security

[Yellowtail]

14 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Snap.

Cackle 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

It was all replacement, which makes perfect sense to anyone being honest, because areas that already had barrier were the most critical. Building new wall across the middle of a desert, makes little sense if the everyone is going through the dilapidated barrier that runs through the middle of town, does it? 

 

The media hate Trump, and they are liars. 

 

DHS and CBP Celebrate 400 Miles of New Border Wall System | Homeland Security

Well yes, even Trump's support media are, well done..............

[Yellowtail]

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

In respect to deportations, the first priority will be the 1 million+ people who are already subject to a deportation order.

The reality is that  the Trump administration will struggle to accomplish its promise. The reasons are self evident;

 

1. Past Performance:   Trump only deported approx. 1.5 million over 4 years.  The Obama 1st administration deported almost 2X as many people - 2.9 million and approx.  1.9 million in the 2nd Obama administration. The Biden administration currently sits at  an estimated 1.49 million deportations  and will most likely be at 1.75+ by the time Trump is inaugurated.

Deportations were redefined under Obama. 

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

2. Capability & Expense: It is expensive to deport people. They have to first be detained, and then held and processed before they can be  deported. Although ICE and CBP employ close to 90,000 people, only 20,000 of them are U.S. Border Patrol agents. Approx.  $6 billion is spent on enforcement and detention.  An estimated 3,000 of these agents are dedicated to the  detention and deportation of unauthorized migrants.  In FY 2024, Congress provided $3.43 billion to immigration detention centers alone. In contrast, Congress appropriated just $840 million for the entire immigration court system, and funded $424 million to the entirety of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services’ refugee and asylum division. It becomes obvious that the problem is in the processing of the unauthorized migrants. In order to ramp up deportations, common sense says that the  budget would have to increase significantly. Tens of thousands of additional agents would also be needed.  There are staffing shortages now. Where are these agents supposed to come from?

While the budget will have to increase in the short term, but what is more critical is the switching the priority.

 

The 3.43 billion in immigration detention centers were used to process people in. Once the remain in Mexico policy is reinstated, these centers are freed up to process people out. 

 

No reason we can't contract with Mexico to operate detention centers. 

 

 

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

3. Destination: Deportations are not easy. In order to deport someone, you have to be able to send them to a country willing to accept them. Canada doesn't want them, nor does it have the ability to take them in. It already has 5 million temporary Canadians who have overloaded the education and healthcare system and contributed to an affordable housing crisis. Mexico won't take them because most would not be Mexican nationals and is already struggling with millions of unauthorized migrants.  One can't  wave a magic wand and say begone and the migrants end up back  in Venezuela, Bolivia, Iraq, Chad etc.  The UK has been struggling to deport thousands of people only to have deportation flights halted by activists or to be refused landing in destination countries. The USA faces the same issue.  

 

The reality is that it will be a difficult task and it doesn't matter who is in charge, deporting  millions isn't going to happen any time soon.

 

Contrary to popular leftist media propaganda, it will not be difficult to send people back to their counties of origin. 

[Screaming]

We were attacked': Passengers recall gunfire that hurt 1 as flight landed in Haiti

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/we-were-attacked-passengers-recall-gunfire-that-hurt-1-as-flight-landed-in-haiti/3469722/

 

Left wing socialist liberals do not seem to care that there are some that should not be permitted to be citizens and terrorize the population.

[pattayasan]

Just now, Screaming said:

We were attacked': Passengers recall gunfire that hurt 1 as flight landed in Haiti

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/we-were-attacked-passengers-recall-gunfire-that-hurt-1-as-flight-landed-in-haiti/3469722/

 

Left wing socialist liberals do not seem to care that there are some that should not be permitted to be citizens and terrorize the population.

 

Yet the far right seem to think there's no reason not to continue their temporary protection status.

 

Some gang members paints the entire population for you.

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

Yet the far right seem to think there's no reason not to continue their temporary protection status.

 

Some gang members paints the entire population for you.

If deported, would the Haitians in the US be in any more danger in Haiti, than a typical Haitian? 

[pattayasan]

36 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

If deported, would the Haitians in the US be in any more danger in Haiti, than a typical Haitian? 

 

Are the Haitians in the US a danger to anyone other than pets?

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, pattayasan said:

 

Are the Haitians in the US a danger to anyone other than pets?

Does it make a difference? 

[Patong2021]

8 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Deportations were redefined under Obama. 

While the budget will have to increase in the short term, but what is more critical is the switching the priority.

 

The 3.43 billion in immigration detention centers were used to process people in. Once the remain in Mexico policy is reinstated, these centers are freed up to process people out. 

 

No reason we can't contract with Mexico to operate detention centers. 

 

 

Contrary to popular leftist media propaganda, it will not be difficult to send people back to their counties of origin. 

 

So what if deportations were refined during the Obama administration ? The same definition applied to the following Trump administration and  Trump deported fewer people.

Have you done a cost- benefit  analysis of your "strategy"?

In order to process people out, you need somewhere to send them. Mexico will not accept the non Mexican  nationals.

Mexico is now under the control of a left wing activist government. It will most likely not co-operate or assist the USA.

How do you propose to send back the millions of Non Mexican nationals if their true nationality cannot be identified  or if their homelands will not accept them? 

 

There are 1 million people under deportation orders now. They should be the first priority. Finding them and  getting rid of them asap. The unauthorized migrants would not be here if business  operators and home owners were not hiring and exploiting them. Penalize and fine the people who are using these migrants.

 

 

[mogandave]

8 hours ago, pattayasan said:

 

Are the Haitians in the US a danger to anyone other than pets?

Yes

[Yellowtail]

16 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

So what if deportations were refined during the Obama administration ? The same definition applied to the following Trump administration and  Trump deported fewer people.

Redefined, not refined. 

 

Once remain in Mexico was put in place, and catch-and-release ended, illegal crossing slowed way down. 

 

Also, deportations were not much of a concern prior to the flood that came across since Trump left office. 

 

 

16 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Have you done a cost- benefit  analysis of your "strategy"?

 

In order to process people out, you need somewhere to send them. Mexico will not accept the non Mexican  nationals.

Mexico is now under the control of a left wing activist government. It will most likely not co-operate or assist the USA.

What is the cost of allowing them to stay? 

 

Do you think the United States does not have the economic power to compel Mexico to cooperate? 

 

Obrador and Sheinbaum are both leftists, both of the Morena party. Obrador did not want to cooperate with Trump either, but he did. Sheinbaum will make noise, but at the end of the day, she has no real choice. 

16 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

How do you propose to send back the millions of Non Mexican nationals if their true nationality cannot be identified  or if their homelands will not accept them? 

What countries do you this cannot be "diplomatically" made to cooperate? 

 

Those whose "true nationality cannot be identified" I would liken to the rape and incest argument for abortion. How many might it be? 

 

16 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

There are 1 million people under deportation orders now. They should be the first priority. Finding them and  getting rid of them asap.

Sure, anyone under deportation orders is great, but it's not like they're going to be hunting people down. First priority should be criminals that are incarcerated and those easy to find and deport. 

16 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The unauthorized migrants would not be here if business  operators and home owners were not hiring and exploiting them. Penalize and fine the people who are using these migrants.

 

I am all for punishing people that hire illegal aliens, but they are not just coming for jobs. 

 

Punish the employer and deport the employee. 

 

Why is E-Verify not mandatory for all employers?

 

I did some consulting a few years ago (pre covid) for a manufacturing company in Chattanooga, TN during the Trump Administration. The month before I got there, they had been raided by immigration, and they lost 75% of their workforce. In a month, they had almost doubled the starting salary. and I was there to help improve working conditions and productivity. 

[Yellowtail]

So how do we see the midterms going?