Why are many people so partisan?

[OneMoreFarang]

We all have our preferences and there is nothing wrong with that.

But it seems many people, in this forum and elsewhere, see their own side only as good and the others only as bad.

 

Trump hired Musk to make the US government more efficient.

I would have though everybody should be delighted by such a move. Or is there anybody out there who does not think the US and many other governments waste too much money?

 

If the DEMs would have created such a department, I guess many DEM voters would be delighted. But now, it seems many DEMs and the DEM media don't like this at all.

Why is it so difficult to agree that a good idea is a good idea, even if the others came up with this idea?

One can argue if Musk has some conflicts of interests. But that doesn't change the fact that it would be great to save lots of tax-payers money. 

 

The above is just one example. It seems to apply to many supporters of many political parties all over the world.

[KhunLA]

Myself, family, friends & peers aren't & never were really partisan.  Probably because everyone I know, realize, they, politicians are all the same.  Little if any difference in Dems and Rep in USA.

 

This century, the politicians seemed to out do themselves, with war mongering, no control of inflation or healthcare cost.  ACA really killed affordable healthcare.

 

Bush & Obama, war mongering, and defense contractor reaping profits.

Obama's ACA disaster for most, making healthcare silly expensive

Biden's inflation, while oil & big pharm, having billion $$$ windfall profits.

 

They all suck, and did nothing but enrich themselves and their backers.  Whether bankers, brokers, big oil, big pharma, defense contractors, and now Black Rock types and hedge funds, buying & controlling everything.

 

USA food supply full of chemicals, killing people, and big pharma selling pills to manage their bad health.   Politicians allowing and endorsing it all.

 

How can anyone be partisan with any of those.  You really can't fix stupid.

[pattayasan]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Myself, family, friends & peers aren't & never were really partisan.  Probably because everyone I know, realize, they, politicians are all the same.  Little if any difference in Dems and Rep in USA.

 

This century, the politicians seemed to out do themselves, with war mongering, no control of inflation or healthcare cost.  ACA really killed affordable healthcare.

 

Bush & Obama, war mongering, and defense contractor reaping profits.

Obama's ACA disaster for most, making healthcare silly expensive

Biden's inflation, while oil & big pharm, having billion $$$ windfall profits.

 

They all suck, and did nothing but enrich themselves and their backers.  Whether bankers, brokers, big oil, big pharma, defense contractors, and now Black Rock types and hedge funds, buying & controlling everything.

 

USA food supply full of chemicals, killing people, and big pharma selling pills to manage their bad health.   Politicians allowing and endorsing it all.

 

How can anyone be partisan with any of those.  You really can't fix stupid.

 

Neither Bush nor Obama predicated their campaign on racism. This is the single reason the world is now more polarized.

[TheAppletons]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Myself, family, friends & peers aren't & never were really partisan.  Probably because everyone I know, realize, they, politicians are all the same.  Little if any difference in Dems and Rep in USA.

 

This century, the politicians seemed to out do themselves, with war mongering, no control of inflation or healthcare cost.  ACA really killed affordable healthcare.

 

Bush & Obama, war mongering, and defense contractor reaping profits.

Obama's ACA disaster for most, making healthcare silly expensive

Biden's inflation, while oil & big pharm, having billion $$$ windfall profits.

 

They all suck, and did nothing but enrich themselves and their backers.  Whether bankers, brokers, big oil, big pharma, defense contractors, and now Black Rock types and hedge funds, buying & controlling everything.

 

USA food supply full of chemicals, killing people, and big pharma selling pills to manage their bad health.   Politicians allowing and endorsing it all.

 

How can anyone be partisan with any of those.  You really can't fix stupid.

 

  Sharp post.  

 

  Regarding the OP, while I'm all for "government efficiency", I sincerely doubt the way to make that happen is by creating a new government department - with more bureaucrats - to create "efficiency."  

[pattayasan]

4 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

 

  Sharp post.  

 

  Regarding the OP, while I'm all for "government efficiency", I sincerely doubt the way to make that happen is by creating a new government department - with more bureaucrats - to create "efficiency."  

 

This department won't be a government department. It is a misnomer designed purely so they could use the symbol of Musk's DOGE crytpo scam coin. It is an "advisory body" You can bet it works just like the Heritage Foundation. Just "advising" the president.

[mdr224]

I wasnt into politics until this year where i realized the country needed my vote. The west is too liberal and thus to prevent the world from going extinct, i voted for trump

[Yagoda]

I am a Trump supporter because the Left, which is in the end a violent, rascist, antisemitic and anti human ideology has become too powerful, and whither goest the Left, also goest hate, violence and death.

 

The ideology must be eradicated.

[soalbundy]

49 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

We all have our preferences and there is nothing wrong with that.

But it seems many people, in this forum and elsewhere, see their own side only as good and the others only as bad.

 

Trump hired Musk to make the US government more efficient.

I would have though everybody should be delighted by such a move. Or is there anybody out there who does not think the US and many other governments waste too much money?

 

If the DEMs would have created such a department, I guess many DEM voters would be delighted. But now, it seems many DEMs and the DEM media don't like this at all.

Why is it so difficult to agree that a good idea is a good idea, even if the others came up with this idea?

One can argue if Musk has some conflicts of interests. But that doesn't change the fact that it would be great to save lots of tax-payers money. 

 

The above is just one example. It seems to apply to many supporters of many political parties all over the world.

While I agree with your sentiments I am alarmed that Musk has so much power, he is already the worlds richest man and consequently has huge seductive power upon government and industry and this power is now elevated with a government position and direct access to a president that doesn't seem to have any moral values. "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." Musk and Trump are basically untouchable and all powerful, what does that do to two already damage psyches? Government waste is a world wide problem but some seemingly redundant departments are 'pesky' counterweights against an all to powerful administration, it is now easy to remove them.

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, TheAppletons said:

 

  Sharp post.  

 

  Regarding the OP, while I'm all for "government efficiency", I sincerely doubt the way to make that happen is by creating a new government department - with more bureaucrats - to create "efficiency."  

Elon Musk is not exactly a bureaucrat.

I am not a fan of that guy, but he certainly has some good idea. And he knows how to control cost. There is a reason why he does space exploration much cheaper than the NASA.

Will he be able to make the government more efficient? I don't know. But I like the idea that he will try. Let's see what will happen.

 

[mogandave]

3 hours ago, pattayasan said:

 

Neither Bush nor Obama predicated their campaign on racism. This is the single reason the world is now more polarized.

Obama ran on uniting, but served as a divider. 

 

Just look at race relations before and after Obama. 

 

 

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Elon Musk is not exactly a bureaucrat.

I am not a fan of that guy, but he certainly has some good idea. And he knows how to control cost. There is a reason why he does space exploration much cheaper than the NASA.

Will he be able to make the government more efficient? I don't know. But I like the idea that he will try. Let's see what will happen.

 

You ask why politics is so divided, yet you call everyone that supports Trump stupid. 

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, mogandave said:

You ask why politics is so divided, yet you call everyone that supports Trump stupid. 

 

Not everybody, only the stupid, 😉

And even while I dislike Trump, he and the GOP have some good ideas. And some bad ideas.

Same as the DEMs, some good idea and some bad ideas.

The point from this task is that we can dislike Trump and/or Harris and still see that some of their politics and not so bad.

[mogandave]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

Not everybody, only the stupid, 😉

And even while I dislike Trump, he and the GOP have some good ideas. And some bad ideas.

Same as the DEMs, some good idea and some bad ideas.

The point from this task is that we can dislike Trump and/or Harris and still see that some of their politics and not so bad.

What do you think are the GOP’s bad ideas? 

 

You’ve called me stupid. 

[AlexRich]

The question that we should ask is Elon Musk a benevolent philanthropic person, or is he simply someone who is seeking to advance his own interests?
 

Anyone being honest with themself knows the answer is the latter. Actions have consequences. Many Trump voters will suffer as programmes that benefit them get pulled. Some obese guy with a MAGA baseball cap is going to wake up soon and discover the cost of insulin meds are now going to send him into bankruptcy. 

 

 

 

[mogandave]

10 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

The question that we should ask is Elon Musk a benevolent philanthropic person, or is he simply someone who is seeking to advance his own interests?

What do you think Musk’s own interests are?

10 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Anyone being honest with themself knows the answer is the latter. Actions have consequences. Many Trump voters will suffer as programmes that benefit them get pulled. Some obese guy with a MAGA baseball cap is going to wake up soon and discover the cost of insulin meds are now going to send him into bankruptcy. 

 

What programs that benefit working Americans do you see getting pulled?