Biden lifts restrictions on Ukraine using US weapons to strike deep inside Russia.

[frank83628]

8 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Would you like to explain this Frank. And did i read right that you stated Putin is not targeting civilians ?

 

 

Oh, well, that's that then, I will start to support the west from now on, so glad you exposed the Russian lies with this 100% factual deffo not propaganda video🤔

[RayC]

10 hours ago, candide said:

One more time! 

Is it not Putin who is seizing Ukraine's land by force? 😀

 

This most pertinent but inconvenient of FACTS is never acknowledged by Putin's apologists.

[AndreasHG]

On 11/18/2024 at 3:13 AM, freedomnow said:

Wow, that is quite amove considering Putin said he would consider USA and NATO directly at war with Russia if that happens...

 

Russia hasn't been able to win a war even against Ukraine. Let alone the USA and the whole of NATO. 

 

Russia is just a poor paper tiger, and Putin has only been able to subdue the Russian people by mean of violence, incarceration and poison.

 

[jas007]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seriously? If Zelensky puts one into the Kremlin do you want to guess how long it will be before Kiev ceases to exist?

 Supposedly, the decisions have already been made in Russia.  Zelensky won't have to attack "deep inside Russia" or attack the Kremlin to elicit a Russian response.  Any attack on any part of Russia (apart perhaps, from a few "contested" areas) using long range missiles supplied by the US will be considered an act of war. An existential threat for Russia. The response is certain. The Pentagon knows this, but the idiot Neocons seemingly running the State Department are either exceedingly stupid or absolutely intent on triggering WW III.  And to make matters worse, the NATO leadership has come out and openly stated that NATO forces themselves will be operating the missiles. We can only guess at what the Russians will target if Zelensky actually fires those missiles. Kiev could be flattened.  There are US military bases all over the region.  Large European cities. Paris, London, Berlin.  Poland will be hit.  I'm sure the European people don't want to die. They don't want a war. But the crazy people in charge over there?  What are they smoking?

 

Of course, judging by some of Trump's cabinet picks, we better hope that it's actually Trump calling the shots when and if he is inaugurated, otherwise, we'll still have trouble. Trump just wants the fighting to end, and he seems to want to cut US ties with NATO, so maybe the continental USA might not be an immediate target.  Anyway, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Europe right now. 

[pattayasan]

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 Supposedly, the decisions have already been made in Russia.  Zelensky won't have to attack "deep inside Russia" or attack the Kremlin to elicit a Russian response.  Any attack on any part of Russia (apart perhaps, from a few "contested" areas) using long range missiles supplied by the US will be considered an act of war. An existential threat for Russia. The response is certain. The Pentagon knows this, but the idiot Neocons seemingly running the State Department are either exceedingly stupid or absolutely intent on triggering WW III.  And to make matters worse, the NATO leadership has come out and openly stated that NATO forces themselves will be operating the missiles. We can only guess at what the Russians will target if Zelensky actually fires those missiles. Kiev could be flattened.  There are US military bases all over the region.  Large European cities. Paris, London, Berlin.  Poland will be hit.  I'm sure the European people don't want to die. They don't want a war. But the crazy people in charge over there?  What are they smoking?

 

Of course, judging by some of Trump's cabinet picks, we better hope that it's actually Trump calling the shots when and if he is inaugurated, otherwise, we'll still have trouble. Trump just wants the fighting to end, and he seems to want to cut US ties with NATO, so maybe the continental USA might not be an immediate target.  Anyway, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Europe right now. 

 

Yawn. Putin propaganda. You forgot to mention Moscow would be hit.

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 Supposedly, the decisions have already been made in Russia.  Zelensky won't have to attack "deep inside Russia" or attack the Kremlin to elicit a Russian response.  Any attack on any part of Russia (apart perhaps, from a few "contested" areas) using long range missiles supplied by the US will be considered an act of war. An existential threat for Russia. The response is certain. The Pentagon knows this, but the idiot Neocons seemingly running the State Department are either exceedingly stupid or absolutely intent on triggering WW III.  And to make matters worse, the NATO leadership has come out and openly stated that NATO forces themselves will be operating the missiles. We can only guess at what the Russians will target if Zelensky actually fires those missiles. Kiev could be flattened.  There are US military bases all over the region.  Large European cities. Paris, London, Berlin.  Poland will be hit.  I'm sure the European people don't want to die. They don't want a war. But the crazy people in charge over there?  What are they smoking?

 

Of course, judging by some of Trump's cabinet picks, we better hope that it's actually Trump calling the shots when and if he is inaugurated, otherwise, we'll still have trouble. Trump just wants the fighting to end, and he seems to want to cut US ties with NATO, so maybe the continental USA might not be an immediate target.  Anyway, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Europe right now. 

Trump does not want cut ties with NATO. What has Trump said or done that would lead you to belies that? 

 

Trump wants NATO members to pull their weight, this has been his position since at least  2016

[jas007]

1 minute ago, pattayasan said:

 

Yawn. Putin propaganda. You forgot to mention Moscow would be hit.

 Propaganda??  It's true.  If it all happens, though we probably won't be around to argue about it.

[pattayasan]

2 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 Propaganda??  It's true.  If it all happens, though we probably won't be around to argue about it.

 

So, you are saying that if Russia uses a nuke in Ukraine and NATO responds likewise then it's not Russia's fault? Is that right?

 

 

[AndreasHG]

27 minutes ago, jas007 said:

The response is certain

 

LOL. This sentence will not age well. This is what is certain.

 

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[AndreasHG]

 

Germany to supply Ukraine with 4,000 AI powered Mini-Taurus, extended-range drones. Europe alone is enough to undermine Putin's imperialist goals.

 

Germany to provide Ukraine with 4,000 AI-powered 'Mini-Taurus' drones, Bild reports

 

[jas007]

27 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

So, you are saying that if Russia uses a nuke in Ukraine and NATO responds likewise then it's not Russia's fault? Is that right?

 

 

 It's not about "fault." Just an observation of how it could play out. It's an outcome I'm sure nobody wants.  One sure way to end up with that outcome, though, is for people to sit around playing the blame game.  

[G_Money]

17 hours ago, Lacessit said:

IIRC Trump University specialized in teaching people how to lie convincingly.

 

Given his history of bankruptcies, I am wondering if he will manage to bankrupt America.

Of course you have the lesson plans.

 

Or just more unproven predictions and lies?

 

Seems to be the latest trend by leftists since they got their asse- whipped.  Fair and square.

[candide]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

 

This most pertinent but inconvenient of FACTS is never acknowledged by Putin's apologists.

Exactly. While Putin is slaughtering men, women and kids to seize Ukrainian land, It's but but Blackstone.... pathetic!😃

[transam]

Just now, G_Money said:

Of course you have the lesson plans.

 

Or just more unproven predictions ?

You should read more on the facts............

[jas007]

13 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

 

Germany to supply Ukraine with 4,000 AI powered Mini-Taurus, extended-range drones. Europe alone is enough to undermine Putin's imperialist goals.

 

Germany to provide Ukraine with 4,000 AI-powered 'Mini-Taurus' drones, Bild reports

 

 

The deliveries are said to begin in December and continue for a nubbier of months.  I'm not sure Russia would consider drones to be an existential threat, but this escalation isn't going to end the war.  It'll only make matters worse. 

[frank83628]

58 minutes ago, AndreasHG said:

 

Russia hasn't been able to win a war even against Ukraine. Let alone the USA and the whole of NATO. 

 

Russia is just a poor paper tiger, and Putin has only been able to subdue the Russian people by mean of violence, incarceration and poison.

 

Of course he has, everyone hates Putin but are in fear of their lives... 

Russia isn't fighting Ukraine alone, it includes US/NATO.

[farangkinok]

Joe Biden did not make this decision. The biggest decision he's made has been what flavor ice cream cone to have. This is someone else's brilliant idea. 

[frank83628]

12 hours ago, candide said:

One more time! 

Is it not Putin who is seizing Ukraine's land by force? 😀

I thought Putin losing the war.

[frank83628]

12 hours ago, candide said:

One more time! 

Is it not Putin who is seizing Ukraine's land by force? 😀

I thought Putin losing the war according to other threads.

[transam]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

Of course he has, everyone hates Putin but are in fear of their lives... 

Russia isn't fighting Ukraine alone, it includes US/NATO.

If NATO had boots on the ground, your hero Putin would be hiding somewhere, remember, your hero needs N.Korea, what a joke.............😂

[transam]

3 minutes ago, farangkinok said:

Joe Biden did not make this decision. The biggest decision he's made has been what flavor ice cream cone to have. This is someone else's brilliant idea. 

Oh dear, another guesser with no idea........

[candide]

Moscow Marjorie opens her mouth and It's all over this thread... 😃

 

“On his way out of office, Joe Biden is dangerously trying to start WWIII by authorizing Ukraine the use of U.S. long range missiles into Russia,” Greene, who is among the Republicans who want to cut US aid to Ukraine, posted on Sunday.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-trump-biden-ukraine-russia-missiles-b2648957.html

 

[Yellowtail]

No one calling for "boots on the ground" will be putting their boots, nor the boots of their kids on the ground. 

 

"Rich men north of Richmond" 

[frank83628]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

If NATO had boots on the ground, your hero Putin would be hiding somewhere, remember, your hero needs N.Korea, what a joke.............😂

Who is supplying weapons to Ukraine & Who is biving billions in aid to Ukraine?

 

[frank83628]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

You should read more on the facts............

You are in no positition to say that to anyone.

[candide]

12 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I thought Putin losing the war according to other threads.

After but but Blackstone, It's but but AN! 😃

[CatCage]

So its all right for Russia to target Ukrain power stations and power sytems and kill civiliians but Ukrain is unable to reply and strike inside Russia, what kind of one sided fight is that? 

 

The deployment of North Korean troops into Kursk has prompted this decision in response to Moscow’s escalation,  what did Putin expect would happen when he  imports foreign mercenaries to fight his illegal war?.

 

Regetfully Biden decision can be described a day late and a dollar short, had this been done right from the git go the war would have been over long back when Russia sees itself getting hurt.

 

Russia has to be beaten in this war, it will never respect a cease fire as it has shown previously, but if it wins in Ukraine, it will continue, but If it feels it has been defeated, it will want revenge, can't win with Putin either way with him. 

The first target for his newly invigorated military after the Soviet empire has been rebuilt will be Moldavia and the Caucasus

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, CatCage said:

So its all right for Russia to target Ukrain power stations and power sytems and kill civiliians but Ukrain is unable to reply and strike inside Russia, what kind of one sided fight is that? 

 

The deployment of North Korean troops into Kursk has prompted this decision in response to Moscow’s escalation,  what did Putin expect would happen when he  imports foreign mercenaries to fight his illegal war?.

 

Regetfully Biden decision can be described a day late and a dollar short, had this been done right from the git go the war would have been over long back when Russia sees itself getting hurt.

 

Russia has to be beaten in this war, it will never respect a cease fire as it has shown previously, but if it wins in Ukraine, it will continue, but If it feels it has been defeated, it will want revenge, can't win with Putin either way with him. 

The first target for his newly invigorated military after the Soviet empire has been rebuilt will be Moldavia and the Caucasus

 

 

 

Then why is NATO not trying to beat Russia? 

[AndreasHG]

47 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Russia isn't fighting Ukraine alone

 

Also Ukraine isn't fighting Russia alone. It is fighting against the whole Axis of Evil (Russia, North Korea, Iran, China, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.).

And yet, the Axis of Evil, has proved to be a paper tiger together with russia.