they just killed 2 of my dogs

[Lacessit]

How many dogs does the OP have?

 

I don't agree with poisoning dogs, that's horrible. However, I would like to know what provoked the act of poison.

 

Punishing the Thai wife and family for the actions of another Thai is not logical.

[Hummin]

Just now, steven100 said:

 

what does live freely mean ?   are they secured in your property or are they in the soi  ?

is the muscle dog locked / secured in your property all the time  ?

 

AN is a guessing game sometimes...  

We live outside the village, and no close neighbours. And as said, my dog do not leave our property without us. 

 

The soi dogs goes a bit further, but stays at our land during night. Barking yes, but that's how it is. Accept it, or move. For thais, the soi dogs is their guards, keeps rodents and other animals away. 

 

It is as I have said before no animal regulations or laws that protect animals from abuse or poor handling, and to me when reading here, and the hate most of the guys aims at the dogs, and not the system is behind my understanding. 

 

To make or create better animal culture, regulations and laws have to be executed. 

 

Every country had their share of the same as we see Thailand experience now, and nobody is able to see the connection. 

[blaze master]

12 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Rat poison.

 

Nobody gives a F..

 

I'm leaving this FF place for good.

 

No more money to Thai wife and family, wife can come with me if she wants but guess  what... right.  

 

Sounds like you have some really big issues you're dealing with in life.

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, steven100 said:

owning two dogs is fine as long as they are secured on the owners property and pose no risk to biting anyone.

 

owning two dogs if fine as long as the don't bark constantly day and night and / or annoy other folks nearby.

 

 

It's very simple really     !!

 

 

And you are not willing to understand a very complex situation. 

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

but no one keeps a rat as a pet.

Oh yes, they do...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_rat

[proton]

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

Absolutely they do ....many are on here all day writing posts 

 

 

Aye, while listening to the barking dogs nearby and fantasising about taking similar action. Why people have them and leave them out yapping all day while they are at work i'll never understand. I cant walk the 10 minutes to the 7/11 without taking a metal baton with me to fend off the soi dogs. Pests all of them, including the selfish owners.

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, proton said:

Something wrong with people who feel they need more than 2 dogs

Something wrong with people who feel they need dogs.

[Screaming]

High concentrates of Ibuprofen and the blood thinner Coumadin are also highly toxic to dogs and cats. If the dogs run wild, many things could have killed them.  

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Aye, while listening to the barking dogs nearby and fantasising about taking similar action. Why people have them and leave them out yapping all day while they are at work i'll never understand. I cant walk the 10 minutes to the 7/11 without taking a metal baton with me to fend off the soi dogs. Pests all of them, including the selfish owners.

I think it is you with your aggressive energy that triggers the dogs. I never had a problem with any dogs in Thailand, so maybe you need to take a class about how to approach and be around dogs? 

 

It could ease your daily life, and even maybe make your life more happy. 

 

Dogs makes me happy, and dogs are happy to see me. 

[G_Money]

12 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Rat poison.

 

Nobody gives a F..

 

I'm leaving this FF place for good.

 

No more money to Thai wife and family, wife can come with me if she wants but guess  what... right.  

“Nobody gives a F.”

 

Correct!

[steven100]

19 minutes ago, Hummin said:

And you are not willing to understand a very complex situation. 

There's nothing to understand ....

 

it's simple ...          there's nothing complex about being responsible. 

 

keep your dogs locked in the property& don't have dogs barking all day and night annoying the hell out of others.   

[blaze master]

29 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

How many dogs does the OP have?

 

I don't agree with poisoning dogs, that's horrible. However, I would like to know what provoked the act of poison.

 

Punishing the Thai wife and family for the actions of another Thai is not logical.

 

Seems there is a lot more to things then we know. Otherwise yes why go at the wife.

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, steven100 said:

There's nothing to understand ....

 

it's simple ...          there's nothing complex about being responsible. 

 

keep your dogs locked in the property& don't have dogs barking all day and night annoying the hell out of others.   

As I said, you are not willing to try to understand, and neither know your own country struggle with stray dogs before the government implemented regulations and laws. 

 

All over Europe and Usa stray dogs was a problem, and unfortunate, it is becoming a problem again because of the raising  poverty.

 

70 million dogs

An estimated 70 million dogs and cats are homeless. 41% of dogs are most likely to be rehomed to a friend or family member. The majority of rehomed cats are relinquished to the shelter (30%) . Somewhere between 4.6 and 6 million dogs and cats pass through the animal shelters each year.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+stray+dogs+usa&oq=stray+dogs+usa+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqCAgBEAAYFhgeMgoIABBFGBYYHhg5MggIARAAGBYYHjIICAIQABgWGB4yCAgDEAAYFhgeMgoIBBAAGIAEGKIEMgoIBRAAGIAEGKIE0gEJMTI2MjRqMGo0qAIOsAIB&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

[Stevemercer]

I have sympathy for the OP. The fault was with the poisoner. It sounds like he wouldn't poison the dogs because they barked at him (or whatever) but only because the OP yelled at him. So his poisoning was aimed at getting back at the OP, and the dogs were just collateral damage.

 

The poisoner will have won if the OP leaves Thailand.

[Gottfrid]

13 hours ago, bubblegum said:

I'm leaving this FF place for good.

Have a nice trip! Sorry about the dogs.

[Hummin]

What country has the fewest stray dogs?

 

 

The Netherlands has passed several other laws regarding animal welfare and responsible animal breeding, including the 1961 Animal Protection Act. In 1996, however, the government ordered spaying and neutering all stray dogs in the country. This was the first step toward a nation with zero strays!17. sep. 2567 BE

yahoo news

Regulations and laws is necessary to protect animals 

[thesetat]

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

You could say that about many people, but what can you do?

Well, i have cameras all around my house and yard. If you do not know where your dog is then it seems you are letting the dog run around free in the neighborhood in which case perhaps the dogs need to be poisoned to stop them killing livestock or harassing people. Otherwise a camera could catch the person poisoning them and make charges against them. 

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, Stevemercer said:

I have sympathy for the OP. The fault was with the poisoner. It sounds like he wouldn't poison the dogs because they barked at him (or whatever) but only because the OP yelled at him. So his poisoning was aimed at getting back at the OP, and the dogs were just collateral damage.

 

The poisoner will have won if the OP leaves Thailand.

We do not know that, and it could be just by coincidence his dogs was poisoned. If they where poisoned in his own garden, we would know for sure. 

 

As said before, if someone in a Thai area poisoned dogs, it is more likely because they where killing their chickens, and other dogs get killed by mistake. 

 

[ravip]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's only a slow death if someone doesn't put them out of their misery.

 

BTW, the rats die that way too but it doesn't stop people using rat poison, so less hypocrisy about animal cruelty would be appropriate. A bad dog is just as much a pest as a rat IMO.

A bad dog is just as much a pest as a rat IMO.

 

Agree 100%. 

I would also add, that the dogs behaviour tells a lot about it's owner.

 

The owner of the dog should make sure the animal is well trained or kept securely in his own premises. 

 

Incessant barking is also a curse to the neighbourhood. 

 

By the way, what was the reason for the poisoning?  And why was the man scared if the animals were in your premises? 

 

[IvorBiggun2]

I tried poisoning my dog due to health problems. Vet wouldn't do it. I used Benalyn but I couldn't get the dog to consume enough of it. God knows how someone can give a dog enough poison to kill it. Hard enough giving it just general meds.

[CecilM]

If wife and family demand money, you've had ample warning that it's long past time to leave. 

[In Full Agreement]

13 hours ago, bubblegum said:

No not punishing my wife she can follow me if she wants.

 

 

Maybe your intention isn't to punish your wife but for damn sure that's in fact what you're  doing with your withholding from her and her family.   You might want to think it through a little better.

 

 

 

[ChrisKC]

9 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

There's always TWO sides to the story ,and I'm swaying towards the Thai man 

It's obvious your dogs were outside barking at people maybe even trying to snap or bite  at passersby but we know for certain they were barking constantly.

No one just poisons dogs for the heck of it , especially a Thai person,

Good riddance I say 

 

You have made up your mind without evidence - now there's a thing!!

[Hummin]

22 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

I tried poisoning my dog due to health problems. Vet wouldn't do it. I used Benalyn but I couldn't get the dog to consume enough of it. God knows how someone can give a dog enough poison to kill it. Hard enough giving it just general meds.

If you want to kill your dog, give it a trait, knock his head with an hammer, and cut his troat open and let it bleed out. That's the most human way to do it. Brutal, yes, but much better than poisoning. 

[Presnock]

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

And you are not willing to understand a very complex situation. 

I have two Siberian Huskies since heir birth 11 + years ago and I can guarantee that none of my neighbors have ever heard them barking, especially late at night when they were housed (doghouse) outdoors even.  I also never fear that they would ever bite or attack anyone except to get love and lick one's face especially kids.  WE are near a construction area beign prepared and there are at least ten dogs that bark at night and engage in fights every night but I sure tdon't believe anyone here would poison them.  I believe they all were former soi dogs and enjoying their current free and safe life.

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, Presnock said:

I have two Siberian Huskies since heir birth 11 + years ago and I can guarantee that none of my neighbors have ever heard them barking, especially late at night when they were housed (doghouse) outdoors even.  I also never fear that they would ever bite or attack anyone except to get love and lick one's face especially kids.  WE are near a construction area beign prepared and there are at least ten dogs that bark at night and engage in fights every night but I sure tdon't believe anyone here would poison them.  I believe they all were former soi dogs and enjoying their current free and safe life.

Is it so simple? 

 

First of all, congratulations, Siberia Huskies in Thailand, great choice.

 

And you either being ignorant, or just forget most of the dogs in Thailand is Thai soi dogs breeds with their qualities for good and bad, used to stray the streets and protect their territory, and most who have dogs, got their dogs on their doorsteps and decided to stay there for food or comfort as safety. 

 

We got two dogs on our doorstep, they do what they want, and I got one puppies, raised by myself, and not even close to any of those stray dogs we got. He also sleeps inside during the nights. 

 

Thais do not keep their dogs inside, unless it is a special breed. 

 

[Presnock]

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Is it so simple? 

 

First of all, congratulations, Siberia Huskies in Thailand, great choice.

 

And you either being ignorant, or just forget most of the dogs in Thailand is Thai soi dogs breeds with their qualities for good and bad, used to stray the streets and protect their territory, and most who have dogs, got their dogs on their doorsteps and decided to stay there for food or comfort as safety. 

 

We got two dogs on our doorstep, they do what they want, and I got one puppies, raised by myself, and not even close to any of those stray dogs we got. He also sleeps inside during the nights. 

 

Thais do not keep their dogs inside, unless it is a special breed. 

 

Ours are long haired Siberians too.  The ancestors according to our neighbor who raises them, have been in Thailand for many generations.  Our spend really hot weather inside with a/c too but have slept outside in their own very large dog house buildt from some company in bkk. Their dog house coms equipped with fans and they seem to sleep well.  Now, even at 11 years old they do not sleep with a/c and during winter time no fan even, they do wear a "shirt" during really cold nights and never seem to have any problems with that.  

[newnative]

If someone poisoned them likely they were dangerous or creating a noise problem and needed to be put down. 

[rattlesnake]

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

I think it is you with your aggressive energy that triggers the dogs. I never had a problem with any dogs in Thailand, so maybe you need to take a class about how to approach and be around dogs? 

 

It could ease your daily life, and even maybe make your life more happy. 

 

Dogs makes me happy, and dogs are happy to see me. 

 

Those of us who ride motorbikes know just how dangerous they can be when they decide to chase you out of the blue for no reason. It has nothing to do with being aggressive or not, if one of them decides he doesn't like the look of you for a reason only he knows, he will often trigger his mates and launch a pack hunt on you. It also happened to me back in the day when I used to go out for jogs (now I have a treadmill at home).

 

I had a friend in Phuket whose beloved cat was mangled to death by the dogs outside her house. She was heartbroken. She would never have poisoned them, but she hated the damn things and ended up moving because of them.

 

Some dogs are a real problem in Thailand and it is something which should be addressed through public policy, IMO.

[tmd5855]

6 hours ago, proton said:

Something wrong with people who feel they need more than 2 dogs

My wife and I started rescuing dogs when I retired out in the country.

 

We have blind, brain damaged, epileptic fit prone and crippled dogs as the result of road accidents, have been given disabled dogs free by vets to free up cages when owners do not pay the medical fees.  Rabies and normal jabs/checks add up to a lot of expense.

 

R.T.A. gave us two sable GSD's one (Sniffer) who had lost a right rear paw in a trap down south and no longer could jump and another used only for breeding, she arrived at 9 years old and is now 13.

R.T. Airforce (Korat) gave us a male and female GSD that were not vicious enough for guard duties.

 

At one time we had 11 dogs now down to 8, we have kennels and our property is just under a rai fully walled all around.

Locals who come our home for these past 10 years cleaners/builders/gardeners all remark at the docile nature of the German Shepherds who have all been trained as all large dogs should be. There are 4 motorbikes in a carport ranging from 650 down to 125 with lots of tools.

 

Only one instance in 10 years we thought the dogs were attacking a cat/snake in the workshop whatever/whoever left some denim and a lot of smeared blood, they never went the local hospital since we called the police who went looking for a savaged bleeding guy, but, no one with dog wounds went the local hospital.

 

Our house front doors are never closed, at night the dogs all sleep in the house with full access to go outside.

 

So why or what is wrong with the wife and I having more than 2 dogs