Pai's Deportation of International Musician Sparks Outcry

[ikke1959]

48 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

"Why not make things easier? just by using a good computer system". A good computer system needs a bit of brainwork to use, not like writing on paper.

Here in Thailand they none of all.. no brains, no computersystem and surely not less paperwork.. Yesterday we were at the Amphur to register a deceased member of the family. Just before us there was a couple that wanted to change their address.. I saw that the woman had to sign 6 different forms, and than the officer was using the computer and after 20 minutes she had to pay 20 THB and the address was changed...I don't understand this kind of wasting papers. why not simply 1 form with names from old to new address and 1 signature printed out of the computer... Easy, simple, quick, cheaper 

[ignore it]

Matheus is a bassist (bass guitar).

 

Yeah,  

You can play or practice all you want,  but no ticket,  no can take money.

 

 

[ikke1959]

17 minutes ago, Andytheburiramman said:

He knows the rules, and if not he does now.  Too many farang here trying to bypass the laws.  If they don't like it then he and his girlfriend shouldn't be here.  Thai people I speak to say they are tired of ignorant / disrespectful farangs living here and want change to the visas limiting their stay.

Sounds like Anutin

[tubber]

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So  , an Israeli .

Its hardly "entitled" to be annoyed because your partner is being deported 

Even if he is being deported for illegal/criminal activity? 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, tubber said:

Even if he is being deported for illegal/criminal activity? 

 

   My point was that it wasn't "entitled Israelis" who are up in arms .

It was just the Brazilians guys girlfriend who wasn't happy about it 

[Jabberwocky]

So they came to make money without a work permit, like so many YouTubers? 

[DarthChuckler]

7 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Thailand is just tourist unfriendly, partly caused by outdated laws. There should be a revision of several laws just to make it matching with era we live in and not how it was 50-75 years back.. 

The amount of papers needed for a workpermit is terrible and the process is taking a long time...Why not make things easier? just by using a good computer system 

No, I think it is the random and corruption based enforcement.  Everyone knows you give a gift and they ignore. You don't pay and they enforce.  So even when they are acting appropriately and legally it is assumed corrupt.

[Jonathan Swift]

7 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Thailand is just tourist unfriendly, partly caused by outdated laws. There should be a revision of several laws just to make it matching with era we live in and not how it was 50-75 years back.. 

The amount of papers needed for a workpermit is terrible and the process is taking a long time...Why not make things easier? just by using a good computer system 

If you think it’s so  bad you don’t have to stay here and suffer

[Jonathan Swift]

Awww, another immigration scofflaw got caught, waahhhhh

[quake]

It's in Pai.

The trash packers go to place.

Who cares. 

[Purdey]

BTLAFO

Break the law and find out. 

[Halfaboy]

The incident, which involved a minor work permit infraction,

 

Wondering what the minor perk permit infraction consists of.

[connda]

Taking solo jazz opportunities away for Thais who can't play like this:
 

 

[connda]

57 minutes ago, ignore it said:

Matheus is a bassist (bass guitar).

 

Yeah,  

You can play or practice all you want,  but no ticket,  no can take money.

 

 

You can play a gig or jam for absolute free, just for the fun of jamming, and still be accused of taking food from the mouths of Thai children by "working" by playing a musical instrument in public and charged with "working without a permit" and risk deportation.

[tjintx]

21 minutes ago, connda said:

Taking solo jazz opportunities away for Thais who can't play like this:
 

 

 

That's the same guy as the one in the news picture, I mean, the one in cowboy boots and a sheer pink dress, tutu or something?

[Grumpy one]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Who are the Israelis who are "Up in arms " ?

The deported guy is from Brazil 

His Dum assed gf is the one bitching, guess she has to find a new travel companion

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Grumpy one said:

His Dum assed gf is the one bitching, guess she has to find a new travel companion

 

   How would your partner react if you got jailed and deported ?

[hotandsticky]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How would your partner react if you got jailed and deported ?

 

 

She would probably say "som nom naa, you knew what the rules in Thailand were".

[Grumpy one]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How would your partner react if you got jailed and deported ?

My wife would shake her head, call me something in Thai then get on with her life.

If deported she would eventually move to where I went.

Definitely not start bitching to the world that I stuffed up

[khunPer]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

The incident involved four individuals: Brian, an Irish national and Jazz House owner, and three musicians – Matheus, along with Israelis Mr. Yishay and Mr. Shay. While Brian was bailed out on 120,000 baht for operating without official business registration, the musicians faced varied fines for their role in the situation.

It seems to me like it begins with an unlicensed business; you can get work permits for foreign entertainment artists, but it might be hard to get an artist-work permit for an unlicensed venue. Just follow the law, then you avoid problems.

[Bday Prang]

3 hours ago, dpeti73 said:

So you think it’s absolutely ok performing music for money without wp?

i do

[BritManToo]

19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How would your partner react if you got jailed and deported ?

If you're married, they don't deport you. But shacking up with someone doesn't give you extra human rights.

[818Pilot]

I don’t get the uproar

 

Work illegally and get deported, how hard is it to understand.

 

I get people do it all the time, but if you play with fire you’re going to eventually get burnt and have no one to blame but yourself. 

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This is simply a completely ridiculous abuse of power. 

 

There are a very limited number of homegrown jazz musicians in Thailand, and foreign musicians should be honored, celebrated and welcome with open arms. 

 

At what point are we going to finally see some adults in the room who have the power to make these decisions? 

 

So............free tourist visas with the option of "working" to pay for mama noodles and weed for talentless Russian begpackers that claim to identify as "artistes"?

[Wazza60]

Kick them all out if they behave in a unruly way, good riddance to scum . They do not belong in the land of Smiles.

[proton]

3 hours ago, Briggsy said:

No you know why Taylor Swift never plays Bangkok (or Pai).

 

Really?

https://bk.asia-city.com/events/news/taylor-swift-red-tour-live-bangkok-june-impact-arena

[proton]

1 hour ago, Halfaboy said:

The incident, which involved a minor work permit infraction,

 

Wondering what the minor perk permit infraction consists of.

 

He never had one😄

[MalcolmB]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So  , an Israeli .

Its hardly "entitled" to be annoyed because your partner is being deported 

I didn’t say she was entitled.

But now you mention it, they break the law for nearly three months and continue to do so despite a very public warning. Sounds entitled to me.

[jdstrange]

This is basically like arresting buskers on the street or fining people for begging. 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I didn’t say she was entitled.

But now you mention it, they break the law for nearly three months and continue to do so despite a very public warning. Sounds entitled to me.

 

   The "entitled" bit carried of from the discussion with the previous poster and you joined in .

  Do you realise that its a Brazilian who is getting deported ?

(Just before you go on a usual rant about Jews)