Did Trump bring shame upon the US with his Zelensky lecture?

[spidermike007]

I watched that cringe worthy lecture that Trump gave Zelensky, and it caused me to be very ashamed of my nationality. This man seems to be deliberately sabotaging America's influence throughout the world on a daily basis, and he seems to be grossly overestimating the influence of America.

 

Does anybody agree with me? 

 

The typical Saint Donald defenders need not reply, though no doubt you will. 

 

Earlier Friday, Trump cut the meeting short with Zelensky, said the Ukrainian leader is "not ready" for peace with Russia in an extraordinary meltdown in the Oval Office that threw question marks over chances for a truce. Zelensky was meant to be making a full White House visit to sign a US-Ukrainian deal for joint exploitation of Ukraine's mineral resources, as part of a post-war recovery in a US-brokered peace deal.

 

Instead, an ugly clash blew up almost immediately in the Oval Office where Trump and Vice President JD Vance shouted at Zelensky, accusing him of not being thankful for US help in the three-year war against Russian invasion. Trump berated Zelensky, telling him to be more "thankful" and that without US assistance Ukraine would have been conquered by Russia. "You're either going to make a deal or we're out," Trump added. "And if we're out, you'll fight it out and I don't think it's going to be pretty."

 

Zelensky left in his motorcade shortly after, without holding a planned joint press conference. The resources deal was left unsigned, the White House said. Trump took to his Truth Social platform to castigate Zelensky saying "he disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office." Zelensky is "not ready for Peace," Trump wrote. "He can come back when he is ready for Peace."

 

 

[SiSePuede419]

The Ukrainian delegation was then asked to leave the White House with the formal lunch with the President remaining untouched, reports said.

 

Trump's legacy as The Great Peacemaker...

 

Sticks to the bottom of your shoes and tends to have a quite fragrant odor. 😂

[spidermike007]

3 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

The Ukrainian delegation was then asked to leave the White House with the formal lunch with the President remaining untouched, reports said.

 

Trump's legacy as The Great Peacemaker...

 

Sticks to the bottom of your shoes and tends to have a quite fragrant odor. 😂

I agree, I would call him the Great Disruptor, or the man who will not embrace peace. 

 

I would also say that he has terrible negotiation skills, and could likely not negotiate his way out of a paper bag to save his own life. Despite his well honed reputation to the contrary. The art of the deal, that's pretty humorous isn't it? 

 

 

[spidermike007]

After a little bit more reflection on this disaster, I believe it was not only a huge mistake I believe it was an intentional setup to benefit Putin.

 

Trump intentionally wanted to humiliate Zelensky in the Oval Office on a world stage, and for Vance to be lecturing him, a man who's never been to you Ukraine, and a very small man who's never fought in a war, was really the bottom of the barrel. Vance had the audacity of accusing Zelensky of acting disrespectful in the sacred confines of the Oval Office, when in reality both he and Trump are being disgrace to the overall office on a daily basis. What he really meant to say is why are you not kissing the ring? 

 

This would appear to represent a fundamental breakdown in relations between the US and Europe, and a realignment of the US with Russia. What's next, the embrace of China and North Korea? 

 

As I keep saying it's just a matter of time until public sentiment goes against the ridiculousness of these policies, and the bizarre and hugely destructive foreign policy that Trump is engaging in. We're already seeing quite a bit of pushback on the part of Trump voters at Town Hall meetings with senators and congressman, who are attempting to support Trump in a vain and fruitless manner. 

 

 

[Jingthing]

Very much so.

The world changed permanently at the white house AMBUSH of Zelinsky.

[spidermike007]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Very much so.

The world changed permanently at the white house AMBUSH of Zelinsky.

Agreed. A lot of his supporters keep saying changes are needed, things need to be shaken up, and an extreme approach might be the answer, but that certainly does not appear to be the case. This sort of shock approach that Trump uses to disrupt the world order does not seem to be working, and I think it will have a hugely adverse effect on US influence around the world, which appears to be declining by the day.

 

I think on a daily basis the number of people and the number of nations that have affection and respect for the US is declining and goons like Trump, Vance, Hegseth and Rubio are entirely at fault for that. 

[Ben Zioner]

Yes Zelinsky is a real man.

[spidermike007]

1 minute ago, Ben Zioner said:

Yes Zelinsky is a real man.

I agree and the disruptive PR that's out there about his level of corruption is not terribly convincing to me, as I consider Trump to be infinitely more corrupt than most other world leaders. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

Well done Trump. Imagine little Z would have walked all over Harris/Walz. Thankful sanity prevailed in the last election.

Seeing the Ukraine ambassador's face in her hands when Z had his tantrum was priceless😅

[Kinnock]

While not a fan of Trump, my view of the interview was different to the opinions expressed in this thread so far.

 

Ukraine is totally reliant on foreign aid to survive as a nation, and the US is a major donor.  Zelensky had one job .... to secure ongoing US support for the war, and he failed.  All he had to was make Teump look good on TV, and as someone with experience in the entertainment industry, he must have known that.

 

But he let pride and emotions get in the way.  He was meeting the school bully and his sidekick, so he needed to show respect and listen before making his points, but he ran his mouth so now has to resign as president.

 

 

[NickyLouie]

5 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Yes Zelinsky is a real man.

 

spidermike007 type also 

 

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I agree and the disruptive PR that's out there about his level of corruption is not terribly convincing to me, as I consider Trump to be infinitely more corrupt than most other world leaders. 

He didnt even take a salary fcs. The corrupt guy was your man Biden. And the entire left tried to hide it. Corruption is ALWAYS bad, not just when your ideological opposition engages in it. I do take issue with the lefts dishonesty over this issue.

[JAG]

48 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

The Ukrainian delegation was then asked to leave the White House with the formal lunch with the President remaining untouched, reports said.

They stopped off at a nearby McDonald's to get the same meal but without having to start with a helping of humble pie.

[Harrisfan]

18 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Yes Zelinsky is a real man.

Dresses like a bum. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

2 minutes ago, JAG said:

They stopped off at a nearby McDonald's to get the same meal but without having to start with a helping of humble pie.

Not sure how Z could be hungry after realizing he just signed the death warrant for countless thousands more youths. He will be a psychopath if he wanted a McD happy meal after that.

[Harrisfan]

10 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

He didnt even take a salary fcs. The corrupt guy was your man Biden. And the entire left tried to hide it. Corruption is ALWAYS bad, not just when your ideological opposition engages in it. I do take issue with the lefts dishonesty over this issue.

The left is going crazy over this. Trump wants to stop war and they hate him for it. Who can understand this?

[Harrisfan]

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating

 

Most Americans are happy

[harada]

Give the guy a break, I’m sure that all this talk of war aggravates his foot spurs. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

3 minutes ago, harada said:

Give the guy a break, I’m sure that all this talk of war aggravates his foot spurs. 

Here we go again. The tolerant left mocking a persons disability. 

[SiSePuede419]

8 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Dresses like a bum. 

He's a Wartime President who doesn't pay other people to fight for him*

Conmen always dress nice and talk in a low polite voice.

Except when they throwing tantrums.

 

*Bobby Lashley 

😂

[Harrisfan]

Just now, SiSePuede419 said:

He's a Wartime President who doesn't pay other people to fight for him.

Conmen always dress nice and talk in a low polite voice.

Except when they throwing tantrums. 😂

He gets $200bn for free then abuses the top banker. 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, SiSePuede419 said:

The Ukrainian delegation was then asked to leave the White House with the formal lunch with the President remaining untouched, reports said.

 

Trump's legacy as The Great Peacemaker...

 

Sticks to the bottom of your shoes and tends to have a quite fragrant odor. 😂

Damn ... all them Big Macs going to waste.  Hope they invited a tour group to the lunch 😎

 

Z should have thrown the towel in years ago, and day one.   Would have saved lives & territory.  NO, the idiot listened to the war mongers' lies.  Oh well, you can't fix stupid.

 

JD steppin' up.  Can't wait till he's President Vance in 2028 👍

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Except when they throwing tantrums. 😂

Who is doing that? Guys on the internet

[candide]

It's not fair. He was alone and Russia had two negotiators during the meeting! 

[Yellowtail]

The left cared nothing about Ukraine until they started pretending Trump was a Russian asset. 

 

 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Damn ... all them Big Macs going to waste.  Hope they invited a tour group to the lunch 😎

 

Z should have thrown the towel in years ago, and day one.   Would have saved lives & territory.  NO, the idiot listened to the war mongers' lies.  Oh well, you can't fix stupid.

Z met with Democrats too 555

What a circus act he is. 

[SiSePuede419]

Just now, KhunLA said:

Z should have thrown the towel in years ago, and day one.

Wow!

What a coincidence!

 

The KGB agrees with you.

 

And we all know how the KGB never lies.

 

Bait, Swallowed. 🦈

[Terrance8812]

As much as it appeared like a setup and a Zelensky ambush at first, I am starting to have my doubts now. If the attack on Zelensky had been orchestrated, it would have been handled more strategically, and things would not have gotten so heated. What really happened, I believe, was that Trump was already frustrated with Zelensky at that point. Trump expected Zelensky to come over and simply sign over 500 billion dollars in mineral rights, or at the very least, he thought he could pressure him into agreeing to that once he arrived at the White House. But Zelensky was not going to commit to anything without security guarantees from the US, which isn't what Trump was offering, and that is where everything fell apart.

 

At that point, Trump and Vance morphed into two petulant grade school boys throwing a tantrum. Tensions behind closed doors in politics are not uncommon, but for something like this to explode in the Oval Office, in what was supposed to be a polite meet and greet, became an absolute disaster in terms of optics for America when Zelensky stood his ground.

 

To be honest, I do not think it would have escalated like that if it were not for Vance. If it had just been Trump and someone like Rubio, you would not have seen it spiral the way it did. In the long run, this will not reflect well on Vance’s political career either. He came across as unhinged, and the history of him getting out of line yesterday is not going to age well for him.

 

All this talk from Trump’s camp about ending the war and pursuing peace is completely overshadowed by the reality that Trump was trying to extort half a trillion dollars from Ukraine in exchange for nothing. The meeting was not about peace, it was about money. Trump’s allies, like Rubio and Graham, can say whatever they want about this being part of peace negotiations with Putin, but yesterday made it clear that was not the real agenda. It is all misdirection.

 

The way Trump’s team is framing this is an absolute PR disaster. They are trying to strong arm a war torn country into handing over 500 billion dollars in assets, and when Zelensky refuses, they try to paint him as the problem. It looks predatory and extortionate. And the rest of the world sees right through it. Trump should be working to end the war for the benefit of the US, peace and global stability, not trying to pillage Ukraine for its assets, while offering nothing in return. As Zelensky pointed out in the Oval Office, ending the war is in the best interest of the US as well. But Trump’s focus is only on money, not peace.

 

Meanwhile, let us look at Trump’s actual track record so far. He campaigned on ending the war in Ukraine within 24 hours. Obviously, that never happened. Inflation is rising, the stock market and Bitcoin are falling, unemployment is up. He is taking jobs away from Americans rather than creating new ones. No lower egg prices, no lower gasoline prices. He has not achieved a single thing.

 

Granted, he has only been in office for a month, but nothing is on track and if anything, things are getting worse. If he were just a lame duck, that would be one thing, but he is actively already making things worse politically, economically, and socially.

 

So where do things go from here? One thing is clear, Trump does not want to lose this battle with Zelensky. He built his entire persona on being a dealmaker who could end the war. But now, things are going in the opposite direction. It does not matter who is right or wrong, he is simply not delivering. That is a serious problem for him.

 

When Zelensky walks away without a deal, Trump fails just as much on the world stage at being a dealmaker and a peacemaker as much as Zelensky risks losing an opportunity for peace.

 

Not that we ever expected Trump to deliver on anything of tangible value. The real revelation is for the 75 million Americans who voted for Trump, they are now beginning to finally understand the true meaning of FAFO.

[Yellowtail]

It was supposed to be a signing ceremony, not a negotiation. 

 

Zelensky pleased the leftist media, let the leftist media fund him. 

[SiSePuede419]

5 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

He gets $200bn for free

He didn't get a penny of that $181M (Donnie always inflates the numbers BIGLY)...

 

THAT MONEY WENT TO USA DEFENSE CONTRACTORS 💵

 

Duh.

 

Is MAGA really this stupid or is the KGB not sending their best cannon fodder? 😂