US Halts Military Aid to Ukraine Amid Push for Peace Talks

[vinny41]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

If Putin were to win the war in Ukraine it will only bring his borders closer  to NATO countries Putin has very clearly stated he wishes to re-establish the Russian Empire so his propaganda for the war are lies upon lies.

The following Nato countries already have borders with Russia

Norway, Finland,Estonia,Latvia,Lithuania and Poland

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The following Nato countries already have borders with Russia

Norway, Finland,Estonia,Latvia,Lithuania and Poland

 

I know and adding Ukraine will only expose him further, that is the point I was making

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

MSM propaganda. Putin doesn't have the forces to take all of Ukraine. He is taking what he wants, and when he has it he'll still be a long way from NATO.

 

OK Mr Defence expert

[Rimmer]

A flame and replies that quote it have been removed

[Eric Loh]

26 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are so keen on the war, so why are you posting about it and not at the front lines fighting for Zelensky?

That’s a stupid question and you know it. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

OK Mr Defence expert

You guys have been saying for 3 years that Russia will be defeated. Are you changing your mind now and claiming that Russia can conquer all of Ukraine when it's got no further than where it is now in all that time.

Make up your mind.

[simple1]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If he is upsetting the liberals he must be doing something right.The war is IMO a sham that was intended to bleed Russia for as long as possible using the Ukrainians as cannon fodder, as they did in Afghanistan. It ended in Afghanistan with Gorbachev and Ukraine is going to end with Trump. Good job Mr Trump.

 

They? who led the conspiracy...trump's only in it for himself - gagging for the Nobel Prize - lol

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The following Nato countries already have borders with Russia

Norway, Finland,Estonia,Latvia,Lithuania and Poland

Only 3 of those would have a chance in a war with Russia, and then only if backed by the US.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

They? who led the conspiracy...trump's only in it for himself - gagging for the Nobel Prize - lol

You seem confused. Trump wasn't POTUS when it started so what "conspiracy" are you talking about it?

If he ends it soon he probably will get the Nobel.

 

Seems like you want more years of death and destruction for Ukrainians.

[frank83628]

24 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

If Putin were to win the war in Ukraine it will only bring his borders closer  to NATO countries Putin has very clearly stated he wishes to re-establish the Russian Empire so his propaganda for the war are lies upon lies.

Where has he 'clearly stated' this....show  a direct quote from Putin himself 

[JAG]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I hope you were this outraged when Biden's army fled Afghanistan like scared schoolgirls leaving mayhem, death and destruction? Why do I get the feeling you are only outraged when it comes to the orange fella?

The US's big mistake was fomenting the 2014 coup and destabilization of the country, compounded by corrupt politicians like Biden essentially running the country for profit. Now it's suddenly all Trump's fault? Jog on.

I was in the British Army for a long time.

 

I served in several campaigns, the last two were "American led", and which both essentially ended in "cluster<deleted>s" when the Yanks cut and ran.

 

The "trademark move", since Vietnam and Cambodia in the early 1970s and repeatedly since is to abandon your allies.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

Where has he 'clearly stated' this....show  a direct quote from Putin himself 

Don't hold your breath waiting.

[JAG]

1 hour ago, Taboo2 said:

Hey dude, why don't you run to Ukraine?  Seriously, they are recruiting.  Go ahead and fight.  We Americans will be glad to cut off our weapons and money and run...OK!  Understand?

I understand only took well. I was in the British Army for a long time.

 

I served in several campaigns, the last two were "American led", and which both essentially ended in "cluster<deleted>s" when the Yanks cut and ran.

 

The "trademark move", since Vietnam and Cambodia in the early 1970s and repeatedly since is to abandon your allies.

[Autocan]

This is intolerable. The war must go on. If the US admin won't then we the people must step up.

 

Russians have fought successfully with spare parts, so can the Ukrainians. I have a broken washing machine, a vintage TV and two pedestal fans in the store room. I am going to pack and ship them to Kiev. Ukrainians are just as ingenious as the Russians. They'll be able to strip them down and make tanks and planes.

 

I urge all AN readers to look for any old stuff they can spare. We can't let Ukraine down.

[Chomper Higgot]

So that’s the second message of support for Putin in a matter of days.

 

The first put US allies (well most of them) on notice that the US cannot be relied upon when attacked by an enemy.

 

The second confirmed the first but added the notification for now former US allies not to build their military systems with U.S. supplied weapons or ammunition.

 

 

[spacex]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

 

What's truly appalling is that after 3 years of a country being invaded by a foreign aggressor and the rest of the world trying to support it in the face of undeserved atrocities, all the maga apologists come suddenly appear trying to shore up their beloved, compromised and truly woeful clown of a leader when he shows just how utterly devoid of decency, honesty and integrity he truly is. Shame on you. 

What I found  appalling was Victoria Nuland and the US spearheading a coup in 2014 to bring in their puppet of choice after the citizens voted for someone the US didn't like. 

[Autocan]

1 minute ago, spacex said:

What I found  appalling was Victoria Nuland and the US spearheading a coup in 2014 to bring in their puppet of choice after the citizens voted for someone the US didn't like. 

Sir or Madam as the case maybe, you risk a 7-day ban for speaking the truth.

[transam]

41 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are so keen on the war, so why are you posting about it and not at the front lines fighting for Zelensky?

And you.....?  🤔

[Hamus Yaigh]

50 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Amazing how you're attacking someone that actively trying to end a war

Whats amazing is you, and everyone else commenting similar nonsense on this thread is OK letting the aggressor and invader succeed.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Whats amazing is you, and everyone else commenting similar nonsense on this thread is OK letting the aggressor and invader succeed.

They are Putin fanboys, have read months of it on here. They forget, ignore the deaths of the innocent Ukrainians during Putin's planned invasion, the second invasion of his agenda.....🤔

[dinsdale]

2 hours ago, JAG said:

2) Equally unreliable the gob-smacking naivity of believing that if you cut supplies to Ukraine then the Russians will come to peace talks, absolute <deleted>, they will simply renew their offensives against a weakened Ukraine in the hope of defeating them - but again perhaps the US knew that anyway.

The point is to force Zelenskyy to negotiate a deal for rare minerals and move to ceasefire negotiations. This will come with security guarantees from the US. Reality is Ukraine cannot win this war of attrition and continues to lose ground. The territory held by Ukraine in the Kursk Oblast is now a lot less than it was a month ago. As for Putin wanting a total defeat of Ukraine this is simply not the case.

[transam]

Just now, dinsdale said:

The point is to force Zelenskyy to negotiate a deal for rare minerals and move to ceasefire negotiations. This will come with security guarantees from the US. Reality is Ukraine cannot win this war of attrition and continues to lose ground. The territory held by Ukraine in the Kursk Oblast is now a lot less than it was a month ago. As for Putin wanting a total defeat of Ukraine this is simply not the case.

"Simply not the case"............😆

Stage 1, Crimea, Stage 2, Kiev...................🤣

 

Simply not the case..........Another Trump/Putin fanboy...............🤣

[rough diamond]

24 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Only 3 of those would have a chance in a war with Russia, and then only if backed by the US.

Finland did pretty well without the US against the Soviet Union in 1939/40!

[Autocan]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As for Putin wanting a total defeat of Ukraine this is simply not the case.

Absolutely. He will take all land east of the Dniepr plus Odesa, leaving the rest of Ukraine about as potent as a post-op ladyboy.

 

This is Putin's goal, to annex the historically Russian territories at the same time making sure that Ukraine is never again a military threat. He has zero interest in ruling over ethnic Ukrainians, let alone any of Europe.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, rough diamond said:

Finland did pretty well without the US against the Soviet Union in 1939/40!

Not sure about the point you are making. I said 3 were not up for much. Finland was not one of them.

[frank83628]

7 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Whats amazing is you, and everyone else commenting similar nonsense on this thread is OK letting the aggressor and invader succeed.

Russia was provoked through outside interference from the US and NATO allies, they poked the bear, the bear attacked and won, time to admit defeat, perhaps you should  think of those dead and dying and bring about and end to the charade. I bet 100b you wouldnt send your kids off to fight so why expect others to when a deal can bring peace. 

[rough diamond]

26 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You seem confused. Trump wasn't POTUS when it started so what "conspiracy" are you talking about it?

If he ends it soon he probably will get the Nobel.

 

Seems like you want more years of death and destruction for Ukrainians.

So you would rather Trump gets a totally unwarranted Nobel Prize and appease a Dictatorial invader rather than restore Ukraine's right to self determination and reclamation of it's illegally occupied lands?

[frank83628]

3 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Finland did pretty well without the US against the Soviet Union in 1939/40!

Its 2025, Who cares about what happened in WW2, 

[rough diamond]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not sure about the point you are making. I said 3 were not up for much. Finland was not one of them.

How are we supposed to know which of the countries were included/excluded from your "3"?

[Autocan]

8 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I bet 100b you wouldnt send your kids off to fight so why expect others to when a deal can bring peace. 

In fact, the children of Ukrainian elite were sent safely outside the country as soon as hostilities broke out. There are whole channels on Telegram showing their lifestyle in Mediterranean resorts.

 

A particularly hilarious clip is when Mayor Klitschko of Kiev was asked about pics of his kids partying in Berlin. "My zons are German zitizens, zey cannot fight for Ukraine."