In defiance of Trump, I think Nato should put troops on the ground in Ukraine.

[Photoguy21]

13 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

What if Putin drops bombs on them ? What would we do then?

Who is this "we" you refer to? A political solution, if possible, is far better than a "let us go in and bomb the hell out of them". I assume you would be one of the first to sign up to be part of the forces to go in?

[SunnyinBangrak]

2 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

This is the sort of spin that Trump and his supporters are known for—they often try to portray Trump as a victim of unfair treatment and attacks, regardless of the reality of the situation. Misinformation and “alternative facts” can lead to mistrust in institutions, polarization, and even real-world consequences. We’re not talking about clinical insanity, but rather a kind of collective derangement that can grip a nation. In that sense, it’s a kind of madness. Some might call it “Trump Derangement Syndrome,” where Trump’s supporters are so blind to the truth, they’re willing to believe anything he says, even when there’s clear evidence to the contrary.

Seek some help.

You sound like an expert. So, if Trump was not a victim of unfair treatment and attacks. Please tell how many other Americans were literally the personal target of campaigning politicians? Like James who ran on a "Get Trump" platform? 

How many long expired misdemeanors were jacked up inexplicably to try an opposing presidential candidate of dozens of felonies? Was it a normal thing, so many hundreds or thousands, or millions? No. It was once ever in US history. Right when he announced his candidacy.

The scary thing is you guys know all this, but pretend otherwise. So dishonest. Thank goodness you lost in a landslide. The American voters have more integrity and smarts than the liberal hivemind.

Seek some help.

[Purdey]

People seem to think that giving away bits of your sovereign territory is easy for any country. Putin entered Ukraine with the Russian domestic population thinking it was a special operation to give Ukraine a bloody nose and would be over in two weeks. Three years later, he has grabbed land that he should return to Ukraine should they negotiate peace, but he won't. the U.S. wants to grab the natural wealth of Ukraine where it would make many times the value of what it provided Ukraine.

If Russia were to reclaim Alaska, should Europeans not assist America?

 

[NoDisplayName]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Cheney, IMO, is probably the most evil man to be in a position of power in the US in my lifetime.

 

He's a scary individual.  He visited our field site once back in the day, hovering behind me, observing the process.  It was uncomfortable.  For everyone except him, I suppose. 

 

Funny, the details that stick with you after so much time has passed.  I still remember his scent.  It was like Irish Spring overlaid with Old Spice.  If I could bottle that, I'd call it "Banality of Evil."  It'd be a top seller in Mordor.

[Yellowtail]

11 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

In April 1968, Joe Biden received a draft notice as he was about to graduate from law school; but after a medical examination he was reclassified by the Selective Service System as "1-Y", not available for service except in national emergency, due to having had asthma as a teenager.

 

Don't think Zalesnki has served either. Neither has Putin or Trump. 

 

Makes you sick 

Nor did Clinton (fled to Canada) or Obama. 

[connda]

13 hours ago, Tiger1980 said:

As a Brit can one of you Americans inform me which unit of the American service did Trump serve in and for how long.

 

The same one Biden, Harris, Clinton, and Obama served in, and for the same length of time. 

[Yellowtail]

18 minutes ago, Purdey said:

People seem to think that giving away bits of your sovereign territory is easy for any country. Putin entered Ukraine with the Russian domestic population thinking it was a special operation to give Ukraine a bloody nose and would be over in two weeks. Three years later, he has grabbed land that he should return to Ukraine should they negotiate peace, but he won't. the U.S. wants to grab the natural wealth of Ukraine where it would make many times the value of what it provided Ukraine.

If Russia were to reclaim Alaska, should Europeans not assist America?

 

NATO members would be required to come to the aid of the US. 

 

I think if we were at a stalemate after three years and over a million casualties the left would happily hand it over. It's a red state. 

[NoDisplayName]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's only bad when the enemy of the day, Iran, Russia etc does it. When it's US personnel waterboarding people that's just mild interrogation.

 

"After World War II, we tried, convicted, and in some cases, executed Japanese soldiers for war crimes that included charges of waterboarding," Scott said in a Dec. 9 news release.

 

The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding,” [McCain] told reporters at a campaign event.

 

 

Two United States soldiers and one South Vietnamese soldier waterboard a captured North Vietnamese prisoner of war near Da Nang. Published on the front cover of The Washington Post on 21 January 1968.

[NoDisplayName]

4 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Maybe the psycho who started the war should stop first? Apologize, pay compensation, and make amends with the 500,000 babushkas who lost their sons in Putin's Folly?

 

That's what Trump is trying to do.  Get Zelesky to stop, and understand that ethnic cleansing has consequences (*).

 

 

 

(*)  when no longer convenient or aligned with our policies.

[NoDisplayName]

26 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

NATO members would be required to come to the aid of the US. 

 

I think if we were at a stalemate after three years and over a million casualties the left would happily hand it over. It's a red state. 

 

Stalemate?  The front is grinding westward, slowly at first. 

 

You think we (NATO) would be in such a panic if this were a stalemate?  That would be the best of all possible worlds!

 

We (NATO) would love for this to be a forever war that would bleed Russia and maintain constant new armaments contracts to keep the lobbyists and politicians content.  

 

The only cost being hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed Ukrainians.  But that's a price we're willing to pay!

 

In the sacred words of one of our national saints:

 

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.

—60 Minutes (5/12/96)

 

Look into some of our past affairs supporting "freedom and democracy" around the world.  Notice how many of them involve just enough support for the expendables to keep fighting, and dying, but not enough to be decisive. 

 

It's a feature, not a bug.

 

 

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Ah like 47 th stories how an old man came up to him with tears in his eyes and so on...?

47, you mean Donald trump, Imagine being so obsessed by a president of another country to your own that you, in blue faced rage refuese to write his name.

[John Drake]

15 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

What if Putin drops bombs on them ? What would we do then?

 

Bombs dropping on UK, French, and German cities would decimate the muslim population in those countries.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, TedG said:

 

If Russian nukes even work.   If Putin pops off a Nuke, he is dead.  

 

The West could dog-walk Russia. 

 

Well, I guess you won't be the one taking that risk.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, TedG said:

What are you saying is everyone need to bow down to Putin becase he has a nuke.   <deleted> Putin.  The West needs to grow balls and punch Putin in the face. 

 

A nuke? Almost funny that.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

NATO should station some troops in Canada or Greenland. The real threat is MAGAstan.

Maybe the psycho who started the war should stop first? Apologize, pay compensation, and make amends with the 500,000 babushkas who lost their sons in Putin's Folly?

 

MAGAs have this bizarre view that if attacked, bend over and enjoy it. Oh, and blame the victim,. too. If your wife or girlfriend was being raped, I guess you'd just advise her to enjoy the ride, lest taking exception to the assault result in more violence. Plus it's probably her fault.

 

There are things in life worth fighting for. Freedom is one of them.

 

Of course when the fat man decides it's time for military force to steal Greenland, no doubt you'll be first in line at the Induction Office. Or maybe you'll send your wife or girlfriend, but stay safely home wearing your red cap and golden sneakers to "show your support"..

 

Another dozy comment. What did Obama do in 2014 and Biden in 2022? Same answer...nothing. Same effect...bending over.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

This is the sort of spin that Trump and his supporters are known for—they often try to portray Trump as a victim of unfair treatment and attacks, regardless of the reality of the situation. Misinformation and “alternative facts” can lead to mistrust in institutions, polarization, and even real-world consequences. We’re not talking about clinical insanity, but rather a kind of collective derangement that can grip a nation. In that sense, it’s a kind of madness. Some might call it “Trump Derangement Syndrome,” where Trump’s supporters are so blind to the truth, they’re willing to believe anything he says, even when there’s clear evidence to the contrary.

Seek some help.

 

So that's the latest spin on the definition of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Who needs  the help here?

[candide]

No need to put troops on the ground to start with

 

An airshield could be provided on most of Ukraine, without being inside Ukraine. It would be a significant help to Ukraine.

 

[johng]

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, candide said:

No need to put troops on the ground to start with

 

An airshield could be provided on most of Ukraine, without being inside Ukraine. It would be a significant help to Ukraine.

 

 

To what end?

 

Shoot down russian washing machines?

 

You understand that would be done by Poland or some other insignificant, expendable "ally."  In doing so, they would be committing themselves to war with Russia, with no Article 5 protections.

 

The inevitable response, hazelnuts roasting your "ally's" airbases over a free fire zone, would be met with nothing but strongly-worded letters of disapproval, and perhaps a shipment of blankets from France.

 

Just more "Hey, let's you and him fight!"

[spidermike007]

I completely agree, and I think that the world should stand up in mutual defiance of Trump. He is a blazing idiot, he is an absolute fool, he is incredibly ignorant, and he should be defied at every single opportunity. The world absolutely has to speak out and let them know that the creeps antics and stupidity will not be tolerated. 

 

Trump's arrogance knows no bounds, the US under his guidance is completely out of control, their influence is declining by the day, and Trump needs to be taught a very painful and very powerful lesson. 

 

 

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

He's a scary individual.  He visited our field site once back in the day, hovering behind me, observing the process.  It was uncomfortable.  For everyone except him, I suppose. 

 

Funny, the details that stick with you after so much time has passed.  I still remember his scent.  It was like Irish Spring overlaid with Old Spice.  If I could bottle that, I'd call it "Banality of Evil."  It'd be a top seller in Mordor.

They say that certain exceptionally evil and very powerful men exude very specific scents. I've been told that some of them exude the scent of sulfur, that would certainly not surprise me with either Cheney or Trump. Or Vance. Or Hegseth. Or Rubio. All sellouts. 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I completely agree, and I think that the world should stand up in mutual defiance of Trump. He is a blazing idiot, he is an absolute fool, he is incredibly ignorant, and he should be defied at every single opportunity. The world absolutely has to speak out and let them know that the creeps antics and stupidity will not be tolerated. 

 

Trump's arrogance knows no bounds, the US under his guidance is completely out of control, their influence is declining by the day, and Trump needs to be taught a very painful and very powerful lesson. 

 

 

 

 

I think what you meant to say was: 

 

I completely agree, and I think that the world should stand up in mutual defiance of Trump and the half of Americans that support him. He and the half of Americans that support him are all blazing idiot, he and the half of Americans that support him are absolute fools, he and the half of Americans that support him are incredibly ignorant, and he and the half of Americans that support him should be defied at every single opportunity. The world absolutely has to speak out and let them know that the creeps and the half of Americans that support him antics and stupidity will not be tolerated. 

 

Trump's and the half of Americans that support him arrogance knows no bounds, the US under his and the half of Americans that support him guidance is completely out of control, their influence is declining by the day, and Trump and the half of Americans that support him needs to be taught a very painful and very powerful lesson.

 

Say what you mean brother.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

They say that certain exceptionally evil and very powerful men exude very specific scents. I've been told that some of them exude the scent of sulfur, that would certainly not surprise me with either Cheney or Trump. Or Vance. Or Hegseth. Or Rubio. All sellouts. 

 

 

Don't forget the half of Americans that support them. Oh, except Cheney, he's on your side now. 

[pomchop]

18 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

What if Putin then drops a bomb on a UK city or French city. Are Nato then going to declare war on a nuclear power? Are they capable of doing that .... when it clearly looks like there is no American support. 

 

Personally they need to be careful. 

 

They've made their point - and probably hurt Russia enough now for them to not contemplate doing it again anywhere else. 

 

Personally no need for boots on ground. Ukraine isn't worth destroying the world over. 

 

Over the past few weeks i have had so many people come up to me from their experiences in Ukraine, describing how racist society was there for them before the invasion - that i am loosing my sympathy. One indian guy said when the war started and people were fleeing on the trains, him and other fellow Indians were told to get out of the trains and kicked out the train stations as it was for Ukrainians only - despite living there for generations. Heard stories before that too. 

You do know that the French and Brits also have nukes?  If Putin starts a nuke war there will be no winners.

[BangkokReady]

23 hours ago, advancebooking said:

Why doesn't Nato send 50,000 troops to Ukraine now. Fight and push out Russia. Ukraine's troops leave Russia

 

It doesn't seem like Zelensky would be in favour of this.  He doesn't want the war to just "end", he wants Ukraine to firmly defeat Russia, possibly with all the previously annexed land taken back.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, candide said:

No need to put troops on the ground to start with

 

An airshield could be provided on most of Ukraine, without being inside Ukraine. It would be a significant help to Ukraine.

 

 

Why not tell us exactly what an airshield is?

[TedG]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

I completely agree, and I think that the world should stand up in mutual defiance of Trump. He is a blazing idiot, he is an absolute fool, he is incredibly ignorant, and he should be defied at every single opportunity. The world absolutely has to speak out and let them know that the creeps antics and stupidity will not be tolerated. 

 

Trump's arrogance knows no bounds, the US under his guidance is completely out of control, their influence is declining by the day, and Trump needs to be taught a very painful and very powerful lesson. 

 

 

you have some serious <removed>.  Anyway, NATO will never put boots on the gound in Ukraine due the fact that they lack the logositics to do so. 

[TedG]

15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Why not tell us exactly what an airshield is?

Total air control over Ukraine.