British Man Dies After Footpath Altercation in Bangkok

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You really are a charming sod aren't you.

 

He went to a brothel, tried to steal a motorbike, a mobile phone, got into a fight. I mean he's the definition of an antisocial wastrel.

 

I hope the Brits leave their underclass at home in the future or they'll ruin it for the rest of us fine and upstanding citizens.

[Bert got kinky]

28 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Nonsense, it is not the British embassy's job to get involved in situations such as this, they will provide whatever support they are obligated to provide.  What are you suggesting the embassy staff should be doing in this incident?

 

Oh dear, Mr. Pedantic making a tool of himself again.

Do you actually post any content of interest on here or do you just come here to voice your excessive concern with the minor details in other's posts?

 

 

[sambum]

3 hours ago, Woke to Sounds said:

This was positively methamphetamine abuse, or kratom, or maybe Red Bell w/ ciggies and laced pot.

 

No one -- and I mean NO ONE - just drops dead at 28.

No one -- and I mean NO ONE - just drops dead at 28.

He wouldn't even acknowledge the translation app on the mobile handed to him, clear signs of a drug induced stupor.

 

RIP young man.

 

"No one -- and I mean NO ONE - just drops dead at 28."

 

Rubbish! Some people are born with "defects" that can claim their lives anytime  and I mean ANYTIME!

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

He went to a brothel, tried to steal a motorbike, a mobile phone, got into a fight. I mean he's the definition of an antisocial wastrel.

 

I hope the Brits leave their underclass at home in the future or they'll ruin it for the rest of us fine and upstanding citizens.

Going to a brothel? So. The motorbike and the phone we don't know the circumstances and as for getting into a fight the Thai blokes stopped him from taking the bike and a scuffle pursued. Not what I'd call a fight. The Thai blokes subdued him. We don't know the circumstances surrounding this and the "article" doesn't help. Admittedly I only read the "article" once. No way I could read that twice.

[chippendale]

The video looks like a Saint George Floyd "I can't breeeef" moment.

 

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Going to a brothel? So. The motorbike and the phone we don't know the circumstances and as for getting into a fight the Thai blokes stopped him from taking the bike and a scuffle pursued. Not what I'd call a fight. The Thai blokes subdued him. We don't know the circumstances surrounding this and the "article" doesn't help. Admittedly I only read the "article" once. No way I could read that twice.

 

There's video! He clearly tried to steal the motorbike with 2 guys standing next to it. He's an idiot.

 

He knew he would get into a fight and still tried to steal the motorbike. He rolled the dice....and lost.

 

These kind of people don't belong here. 

[yankees992012]

58 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"Anyway... again an example that Thailand is not safe anymore".

Nonsense, you have no justification in announcing that, based on this incident, "Thailand is not safe anymore" but it sure is an example of an AN-poster's unwarranted speculation.  Through the blurred CCTV there is no way that you could see his being strangled with an arm around his neck.

 

I wouldn't say completely unsafe, however the 2 thais could have handled it better. In the western countries, those two men would be charged as premeditated murder. Regardless that the Brit dude may be a fool, however it doesn't warranted a death sentence.

 

This latest incident is a drop of the hat as there's more similar situation as this one. It does happen more frequently than what's being told on the news.

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

There's video! He clearly tried to steal the motorbike with 2 guys standing next to it. He's an idiot.

 

He knew he would get into a fight and still tried to steal the motorbike. He rolled the dice....and lost.

 

These kind of people don't belong here. 

Yep. Clearly see him try to take the bike. Question is why? He was running and is obviously either off his head or panicked. He also did this with two Thai blokes standing right there. Again. Why? The facts aren't there yet you're glad he died.

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Going to a brothel? So. The motorbike and the phone we don't know the circumstances and as for getting into a fight the Thai blokes stopped him from taking the bike and a scuffle pursued. Not what I'd call a fight. The Thai blokes subdued him. We don't know the circumstances surrounding this and the "article" doesn't help. Admittedly I only read the "article" once. No way I could read that twice.

 

Agreed...   He (The British man) was clearly appeared highly agitated...  running away from what ?

 

The CCTV misses a huge amount of the build up and as we know, 'witness statements' are media commentary, while good enough for some to 'lock-em-up and throw away the key' very rarely paints a balanced picture of events. 

 

The two Thai lads did well to subdue him...    did they choke-him out for too long though? 

Did the Brit have a heart attack or any other underlying issue ? (he looked large and potentially quite unfit).

 

More to the story here I think - but as another poster commented....  It appears the Brit was the Author of his own demise - I don't see that the Thai lads could be in trouble for stopping the Brit from trying to steel their motorcycle'.... 

 

 

 

 

[yankees992012]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Yep. Clearly see him try to take the bike. Question is why? He was running and is obviously either off his head or panicked. He also did this with two Thai blokes standing right there. Again. Why? The facts aren't there yet you're glad he died.

 

And not to mention that the 2 dudes could have contacted the police and let them handle it. Taking the law in your own hands doesn't make it right. 

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, yankees992012 said:

I wouldn't say completely unsafe, however the 2 thais could have handled it better. In the western countries, those two men would be charged as premeditated murder. Regardless that the Brit dude may be a fool, however it doesn't warranted a death sentence.

 

Agreed... he didn't deserve to die at all... But I think the Thai guys had a right to try and subdue him instead of letting him take their motorcycle...    Did they act with too much force ? - it doesn't seem that way, they were not stamping on his head etc...  they were just trying to hold him down...  I think their actions can be justified as 'defensive'... 

 

 

6 minutes ago, yankees992012 said:

This latest incident is a drop of the hat as there's more similar situation as this one. It does happen more frequently than what's being told on the news.

 

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Yep. Clearly see him try to take the bike. Question is why? He was running and is obviously either off his head or panicked. He also did this with two Thai blokes standing right there. Again. Why? The facts aren't there yet you're glad he died.

 

I'm not glad he died, that's very unfortunate of course. But it does seem his demise was self-inflicted. Unless it turns out he was running from someone to kill him or was mentally ill.

 

Either way, he is the party that caused this. Though yes the Thais unwittingly used excessive force and the death is regrettable, But in essence he seems a bad apple.

[Packer]

5 hours ago, hotsun said:

Guy just dropped dead. Now ive heard everything

 

The blood pouring from his nose was from the Thai guys trying to give him CPR. 

[Gknrd]

I've said it before, doesn't have to be a bar. The local people don't like westerners anymore. Thailand's big city are just like all the city's now. No different.  

[dinsdale]

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I'm not glad he died, that's very unfortunate of course. But it does seem his demise was self-inflicted. Unless it turns out he was running from someone to kill him or was mentally ill.

 

Either way, he is the party that caused this. Though yes the Thais unwittingly used excessive force and the death is regrettable, But in essence he seems a bad apple.

"good riddance". Your words. As for the Thais using "excessive force" you're definition of excessive force and mine differs a lot. "in essence he seems a bad apple." This is ridiculous and is purely your opinion and is based on a few seconds of video and a AI written article full of more fluff than my belly button.

[dinsdale]

17 minutes ago, yankees992012 said:

In the western countries, those two men would be charged as premeditated murder.

You obviously have no idea what premeditated murder is.

[Seppius]

No doubt this will be allover the British press very soon

[Airalee]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Especially these past three years, for some reason which I can't figure out.

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Gknrd said:

I've said it before, doesn't have to be a bar. The local people don't like westerners anymore. Thailand's big city are just like all the city's now. No different.  

 

Utter rubbish.....   outside of the area's of high chavvy / bogan tourist footfall such as Pattaya and Patong local Thai's are as indifferent to foreigners as they are each other...   we're just another normal part of the landscape....  it quieter towns we may be more 'noticeable' but again, thats as far as it goes....  

 

On occasion a Thai will act out and draw attention, on occasion a foreigner / Westerner will act out and draw attention - and that will be viewed with negatively....   Thats about it.

 

 

 

[Mike_Hunt]

I feel like a segment of Brit’s are always looking for trouble. 

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

"good riddance". Your words. As for the Thais using "excessive force" you're definition of excessive force and mine differs a lot. "in essence he seems a bad apple." This is ridiculous and is purely your opinion and is based on a few seconds of video and a AI written article full of more fluff than my belly button.

 

If you think somebody who wants to steal a motorbike is not a criminal, up to you, but he made his own bed, clearly.

 

I won't mourn his loss, but of course you can't be happy someone died, and the force used was obviously excessive because the man died. Nevertheless he brought it about, as is very clear from the video.

[Andrew65]

4 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

I feel like a segment of Brit’s are always looking for trouble. 

It's when they drink, often to be seen in British city centres on weekend nights.

I'm a Brit that lived for 20 years in Thailand, and drank pretty much every night, and never had problems, but I'm quite a happy drunk. When I'm close to having had enough to drink I head for bed, and sleep.

[KhunLA]

I'm with the 'good riddance' folks, as one less nutter on the streets my wife & daughter don't have to worry about ever encountering.  Trying to steal a MB with 2 guys standing next to it.  Only makes you wonder what he'd do if nobody was around.

 

Autopsy should be interested, if a follow up is ever offered.

[dinsdale]

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

If you think somebody who wants to steal a motorbike is not a criminal, up to you, but he made his own bed, clearly.

 

I won't mourn his loss, but of course you can't be happy someone died, and the force used was obviously excessive because the man died. Nevertheless he brought it about, as is very clear from the video.

You know the cause of death then? It was the force used to subdue him that caused his death? As I remember cause of death is awaiting an autopsy.

[Beat666]

7 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

If I watch the video, he surely not dropped dead suddenly.. 2 against 1 and if you see how they hold the guy. He looks to be strangled The fat one sitting on him, and the other one holding him down( arm around the neck??? Anyway... again an example that Thailand is not safe anymore, as they many years ago wrote in the travelguides.. There are many murders and criminal activities in Thailand, but they don't attack foreigners, so it is safe to travel.. Nowadays it is clearly different

 

If it is this case or the German guy in Pattaya, it is always the same. They search for trouble and eventually find it.

If you do not bother the Thais, they will not hurt you or beat you up.

It is just common sense not to get involved in any brawl or starting to piss off Thais.

Why these people don`t get it? I never feel pity for guys like that. They always underestimate what will happen.

 

[jasoneyes]

The foreigner is clearly psychotic and dangerous. The two men were clearly defending and subduing the attacker. It's unfortunate he left in a body bag, I have seen numerous young tourist with severe metal disorders displaying bizarre behaviors in the past year. Thailand is the last place you want to travel to if you are unable to mind your own business and maintain self control. This new younger generation from the west lacks self control.

[thesetat]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

A brief physical altercation followed as the workers attempted to deter him, which unexpectedly led to his sudden collapse and subsequent death. Witnesses nearby, including another karaoke worker, speculated on drugs or sheer exhaustion from his frantic activities as possible culprits in his unforeseen demise.

this is the lamest use of words trying to justify murder or make it as just a small tussle or minor altercation.. 2 against one dragging him down wrapping legs around his neck while punching him and beating him. Even if he had a heart attack at 28 years old, these men should be charged with murder. 

[proton]

2 hours ago, Seppius said:

No doubt this will be allover the British press very soon

 

Privately educated as well!

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14533735/British-tourist-28-killed-karaoke-bar-thailand.html

[blaze master]

6 hours ago, Woke to Sounds said:

This was positively methamphetamine abuse, or kratom, or maybe Red Bell w/ ciggies and laced pot.

 

No one -- and I mean NO ONE - just drops dead at 28.

 

He wouldn't even acknowledge the translation app on the mobile handed to him, clear signs of a drug induced stupor.

 

RIP young man.

 

Laced pot eh ?  I see you just finished your weekley viewing of reefer madness.

[MalcolmB]

4 hours ago, PomPolo said:

Difficult to have sympathy for the guy the video clearly shows him attacking the Thai guys first

Yep, another case of a Brit starting a fight in Thailand and forgetting the Golden Rule.

If you want to start a fight, you better be able to actually fight. 
 

Seems like a weekly occurrence here in Thailand since I have lived here, the Soi 6 bill dodgers, the guy who kicked the security guard in the nuts etc etc