"What’s now increasingly obvious, however, is that Trump is in ragged retreat; he’s compromising all over the shop, such that if the plan was to upend the established global order, one can almost definitely say that, beyond the rhetoric, it is already over.

 

Rank lack of professionalism and organisation has defined the endeavour all along, and now it’s coming apart at the seams. Sensing an administration on the run, no one is any longer hurrying to do a trade deal with the US. From Britain to Canada and beyond, getting the right deal rather than a quick one has become the new mantra."

 

and

 

"Trump has in the meantime made himself – and the US – into an international laughing stock, never mind the damage that policy uncertainty is inflicting on the global economy." 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/26/trumps-attempt-to-upend-the-global-order-defeated/

Wow......The Telegraph no less!!!!

 

 

Someones opinion, wow

10 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

"What’s now increasingly obvious, however, is that Trump is in ragged retreat; he’s compromising all over the shop, such that if the plan was to upend the established global order, one can almost definitely say that, beyond the rhetoric, it is already over.

 

Rank lack of professionalism and organisation has defined the endeavour all along, and now it’s coming apart at the seams. Sensing an administration on the run, no one is any longer hurrying to do a trade deal with the US. From Britain to Canada and beyond, getting the right deal rather than a quick one has become the new mantra."

 

and

 

"Trump has in the meantime made himself – and the US – into an international laughing stock, never mind the damage that policy uncertainty is inflicting on the global economy." 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/26/trumps-attempt-to-upend-the-global-order-defeated/

 

Article is behind a paywall.

 

Useless.

13 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Article is behind a paywall.

 

Useless.

https://archive.ph/pTS7R

 

There you go. You're welcome.

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

https://archive.ph/pTS7R

 

There you go. You're welcome.

 

Thank you dahlin!

Trump is a circus clown. Few expected this level of chaos and such a slide in consumer confidence and poll approval numbers. 

 

Just a few of the insane things this goon has done already. 

 

He turned a legitimate federal employee designation into a loophole. By giving senior officials such as Elon Musk the title “special government employee,” Mr. Trump avoided requirements that they publicly disclose their financial holdings and divest any that present conflicts before taking jobs in the administration.

 

He ended bans that stopped executive branch employees from accepting gifts from lobbyists or seeking lobbying jobs themselves for at least two years.

 

He loosened the enforcement of laws that curb foreign lobbying and bribery.

He dismissed the head of the office that polices conflicts of interest among senior officials.

He jettisoned the head of the office that, among other things, protects whistle-blowers and ensures political neutrality in federal workplaces.

 

He purged nearly 20 nonpartisan inspectors general who were entrusted with rooting out corruption within the government.

 

As Mr. Musk’s political activities started to repel many potential customers of Tesla, his electric vehicle company, Mr. Trump lined Tesla vehicles up on the White House driveway and extolled their benefits. Then Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick urged Fox News viewers to buy Tesla shares.

 

DOGE nearly halved the team at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that regulates autonomous vehicles. The agency has been investigating whether Tesla’s self-driving technology played a role in the death of a pedestrian in Arizona.

 

As Trump’s trade war locks the world’s two largest economies on a collision course, America’s unnerved allies and partners are cozying up with China to hedge their bets. It comes as Trump’s trade push upends a decade of American foreign policy — including his own from his first term — toward rallying the rest of the world to join the United States against China. And it threatens to hand Beijing more leverage in any eventual dialogue with the U.S. administration. 

 

Hal Brands, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, said China will “try to exploit Trump’s abrasive behavior to make inroads with U.S. allies and countries in the Global South.”

 

Some scholars say Beijing is already gaining. “People lost the confidence, or even trust, for the United States, particularly for Donald Trump in the U.S. Not for China,” said Li Cheng, professor of political science at the University of Hong Kong. “So in that regard, China gains in the geopolitical landscape.”

In the latest Ipsos poll, for the first time, more people globally now say China has a positive impact on the world than the United States. The pollster cited the broad backlash to Trump’s tariffs. 

 

With Trump saying that countries are “kissing my ass” to negotiate trade deals on his terms or risk stiff import taxes, Beijing is reaching out to countries far and near. It portrays itself as a stabilizing force and a predictable trading partner, both to cushion the impact from Trump’s tariffs and to forge stronger trade ties outside of the U.S. market.

“America and China are now locked in a fierce contest for global supremacy,” Singaporean Prime Minister Lawrence Wong said in an April 16 speech. “Both powers claim they do not wish to force countries to choose sides. But in reality, each seeks to draw others closer into their respective orbits.”

 

It’s all a sorry and sordid picture, a president who had already set a new standard for egregious and potentially illegal behavior hitting new lows with metronomic regularity.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/27/opinion/trump-crypto-musk-spacex.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

 

 

Okay, so bargain basement journo nonsense. He claims because Powell wasn't fired and a short reprieve was given on tariffs Trump "rowed" back". Which is of course not true.

 

Both the pressure on Powell and the tariffs were to achieve specific goals, that look likely to be achieved.

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump is a circus clown.

Do you think you might be getting a bit carried away posting the same diatribes in multiple threads? 

 

11 hours ago, TheAppletons said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/26/trumps-attempt-to-upend-the-global-order-defeated/

 

Yeah, he's already been defeated.

He's drowning his sorrows in a bottomless bottle of Jack Daniels.

 

This article title is "trash talk", like when 2 boxers meet up before a fight and say "I'm gonna kick your butt". 

 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Okay, so bargain basement journo nonsense. He claims because Powell wasn't fired and a short reprieve was given on tariffs Trump "rowed" back". Which is of course not true.

 

Both the pressure on Powell and the tariffs were to achieve specific goals, that look likely to be achieved.

 

1 Make the US look like a laughing stock

2 Destroy any real trust nations and industries might have in the US

3 Inflate prices

4 Disrupt international trade

5 Achieve the lowest rating of any president at 100 days

4 Decimate tourism to the US

5 Move US manufacturing from China to India

 

Job done....next.

36 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

Trump has in the meantime made himself – and the US – into an international laughing stock,

 

There's at least one stock Trump hasn't tanked.

 

Winning!©

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

1 Make the US look like a laughing stock

2 Destroy any real trust nations and industries might have in the US

3 Inflate prices

4 Disrupt international trade

5 Achieve the lowest rating of any president at 100 days

4 Decimate tourism to the US

5 Move US manufacturing from China to India

 

Jog done....next.

 

No, the goals were to incentivize Powell to lower interest rates earlier than he would usually do, and to incentivize nations to offer the US a new deal in trade. As nations are lining up to give the US what it wants and make new deals, including the UK, it would appear Trump's strategy is working exactly as planned.

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Okay, so bargain basement journo nonsense. He claims because Powell wasn't fired and a short reprieve was given on tariffs Trump "rowed" back". Which is of course not true.

 

Both the pressure on Powell and the tariffs were to achieve specific goals, that look likely to be achieved.

Really? What specific goals are likely to be achieved?

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

Really? What specific goals are likely to be achieved?

 

Ah! All in the art of the deal....us minions know nothing.....we play checkers, Trump is playing four dimensional chess.

10 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Really? What specific goals are likely to be achieved?

 

Global trade will be remodelled in the US favour. Many nations have already sent delegations to negotiate with the US and offered substantial concessions.

 

I suspect ultimately a Mar a Lago acord that will allow the Dollar to be devalued but will still retain it as the reserve currency will happen. That's what the paper by Bessent and his colleague outlines.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, the goals were to incentivize Powell to lower interest rates earlier than he would usually do, and to incentivize nations to offer the US a new deal in trade. As nations are lining up to give the US what it wants and make new deals, including the UK, it would appear Trump's strategy is working exactly as planned.

 

Not sure that's entirely going to plan. 

 

I'll admit, some direct talking and action rather than the usual diplomatic bluster has probably rattled some cages and let people be aware the US are closely watching things, I suppose we will see how it all turns out but certainly there has been some damage to the US image in taking such a scattergun and blunt approach.

 

1) Agreed, he clearly and sensibly wants lower interest rates with significant US National Debt up for renewal later this year. Of course, that could have been done in various ways, with recent events, it's possible the FOMC will not want to be seen to bowing to Trump's will, so that may backfire. This week will be important with Q1 GDP data released, let's hope that clearly supports a rate decrease or FOMC might dig their heels in.

 

2) Nations lining up - not convinced on that one at this point in time but I suppose clearly "communicating" US dissatisfaction with current trade arrangements may trigger some changes.  

 

I see Bessant is now taking a more active involvement in all these economic matters.

He is fairly well regarded in the economic establishment and likely seen as a more reasonable person.

Perhaps a case of the classic, good cop-bad cop switcheroo. 

5 minutes ago, realfunster said:

I suppose we will see how it all turns out

 

Yes indeed, this trade conflagration is only getting started, much too early to call it.

 

Bessent was working with Soros and was part of the team that structured the trade that broke the Bank of England. Trump's team is head and shoulders above anything any other nation can field.

 

They just have to moderate their tone so they can actually do the deals and not annoy their counterparts more than necessary.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Global trade will be remodelled in the US favour. Many nations have already sent delegations to negotiate with the US and offered substantial concessions.

 

I suspect ultimately a Mar a Lago acord that will allow the Dollar to be devalued but will still retain it as the reserve currency will happen. That's what the paper by Bessent and his colleague outlines.

Link?

6 minutes ago, realfunster said:

 

Not sure that's entirely going to plan. 

 

I'll admit, some direct talking and action rather than the usual diplomatic bluster has probably rattled some cages and let people be aware the US are closely watching things, I suppose we will see how it all turns out but certainly there has been some damage to the US image in taking such a scattergun and blunt approach.

 

1) Agreed, he clearly and sensibly wants lower interest rates with significant US National Debt up for renewal later this year. Of course, that could have been done in various ways, with recent events, it's possible the FOMC will not want to be seen to bowing to Trump's will, so that may backfire. This week will be important with Q1 GDP data released, let's hope that clearly supports a rate decrease or FOMC might dig their heels in.

 

2) Nations lining up - not convinced on that one at this point in time but I suppose clearly "communicating" US dissatisfaction with current trade arrangements may trigger some changes.  

 

I see Bessant is now taking a more active involvement in all these economic matters.

He is fairly well regarded in the economic establishment and likely seen as a more reasonable person.

Perhaps a case of the classic, good cop-bad cop switcheroo. 

 

 

Started to read this thinking it was a post from Riclag.......assumed his account had been hacked......but then realised.

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

Link?

 

Trump advisers say more than 50 countries have reached out for tariff talks with White House

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-advisers-say-more-than-50-countries-have-reached-out-for-tariff-talks-with-white-house

The art of the retreat! 🤣

 

He's too dumb to be tactical! From his perspective, it was stupid to put tariffs on such a high number of countries at the same time, representing more than 70% of U.S. foreign trade. He should have targeted them one after the other (at least for the largest economies). 

11 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Ah! All in the art of the deal....us minions know nothing.....we play checkers, Trump is playing four dimensional chess.

Exactly.

You got it. 

 

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Trump advisers say more than 50 countries have reached out for tariff talks with White House

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-advisers-say-more-than-50-countries-have-reached-out-for-tariff-talks-with-white-house

Keep up to date! Trump declared he has already made 200 deals! 🤣

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Global trade will be remodelled in the US favour. Many nations have already sent delegations to negotiate with the US and offered substantial concessions.

 

I suspect ultimately a Mar a Lago acord that will allow the Dollar to be devalued but will still retain it as the reserve currency will happen. That's what the paper by Bessent and his colleague outlines.

Ah, to be able to imagine specs of gold in the huge pile of steaming feces that Trump has created with his stupid tariffs is such a wonderful gift.

6 minutes ago, candide said:

Keep up to date! Trump declared he has already made 200 deals! 🤣

209 to be exact, one for each penguin.

13 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Trump advisers say more than 50 countries have reached out for tariff talks with White House

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-advisers-say-more-than-50-countries-have-reached-out-for-tariff-talks-with-white-house

 

🤣

33 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Really? What specific goals are likely to be achieved?

 

I think the technical, scientific term is "own."

 

There's gonna be so much owning, you'll get tired of all the owning.  Believe me we never get tired.  And you'll say "Please, please, it's too much owning. We can't take it anymore, Mr. President, it's too much." And I’ll say, ‘No, it isn’t. We have to keep owning. We have to own more.’ We’re going to own more. We’re going to own so much.”

 

Owning!

8 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Ah, to be able to imagine specs of gold in the huge pile of steaming feces that Trump has created with his stupid tariffs is such a wonderful gift.

 

Sometimes the gold leaf wears off.

 

America

2016 sculpture, a fully functioning toilet made of solid gold, by Maurizio Cattelan

 

3 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

I think the technical, scientific term is "own."

 

There's gonna be so much owning, you'll get tired of all the owning.  Believe me we never get tired.  And you'll say "Please, please, it's too much owning. We can't take it anymore, Mr. President, it's too much." And I’ll say, ‘No, it isn’t. We have to keep owning. We have to own more.’ We’re going to own more. We’re going to own so much.”

 

Owning!

 

  

Oh, it's an "own goal ', that's for sure.  Trump is scoring own goals galore.