Lazada Sleeping Pills.

[AgMech Cowboy]

5 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

she now gives me Alprazolam

I've taken Alprazolam (aka Xanax) in past. It gave me some weird dreams 75% of the times that I used it. That stopped me off from asking for more.

 

5 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

It was a small packet of eight pills which cost 80Bt from my local doctor

10 baht per pill? I'd be extremely suspicious even though it came from the Doctor.  (But who's your Doc? I'd like to get some Lorazepam (aka: Travan, Antivan) that cheap). 😂👍

[how241]

14 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Why not try hydroxazine?

Hydroxyzine has a longer half life,  about 20 hours so it's more likely to give you a hangover effect the next day.   Benadryl (diphenhydramine--has a shorter half life , about 7-10 hours,  so does Sominar.  Shorter half lifes will give you less next day effects. 

[GammaGlobulin]

Just now, how241 said:

Hydroxyzine has a longer half life,  about 20 hours so it's more likely to give you a hangover effect the next day.   Benadryl (diphenhydramine--has a shorter half life , about 7-10 hours,  so does Sominar.  Shorter half lifes will give you less next day effects. 

 

I will try benadryl....maybe next time..

I don't like hydoxazine, for the reason you mention.

 

[Krillin]

I thought Melatonin was illegal in Thailand.

[how241]

8 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

I will try benadryl....maybe next time..

I don't like hydoxazine, for the reason you mention.

 

In Thailand, they sell the benadryl as a 50 mg pill.  That's Very strong. They usually recommend 25-50 mg for sleeping But I would recommend that you first try a lower dosage of 10-15 mg.  You can easily break the 50 mg tablets in half giving you 25 mg and then take a knife or scissors and cut off a piece to get a lower dosage.  Less is better especially if you want to avoid the next morning hangover effects. 

[KhunLA]

@NoshowJones Lorazepam is a narcotic, no different that diazepam / Valiums, and may be illegal to carry through international airports without permission.

 

Hope you have a script with you at check in, at BKK.

[scorecard]

53 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Lazada is just a platform.

 

But it can happen that vendors using that platform have counterfeit goods. There are also many legitimate goods on it.

 

It is buyer beware.

 

Thanks Dr. Sheryl.

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24 minutes ago, Krillin said:

I thought Melatonin was illegal in Thailand.

 

It was for a short time. But has been legal again for some time.

[how241]

1 hour ago, how241 said:

My friend uses this for sleeping quickly. He says it puts him to sleep very quickly.  He uses  Benadryl (diphenhydramine--15mg) ...2 times a week....

he alternately takes doxylamine(sominar-10 mg ) a few times a week...He alternates them to try and avoid building up a tolerance  But they are Both second generation antihistamines so I don't know if his plan is working.  These seem to be lower dosages than recommended BUT he also takes 1-2 beers with them to add to the knock out effect.  He claims that by taking the lower amount of pills he gets very little next day grogginess and the alcohol clears his body quickly.  Is something that would be reasonable safe to do 3-4 times a week ??? He has been doing this for several months and doesn't seem to be showing any side effects.  He does complain of getting a very dry mouth which is a common side effect of antihistamines and alcohol ... I was considering trying this but I thought I might get your feedback...Thanks for any opinions.

This bring to mind a quote from an old Rodney Dangerfield movie, "I don't know how to go to sleep. I only know how to pass out"...Maybe some truth in that. 

[Globalres]

2 hours ago, Antiparovian said:

Alprazolam (Xanax) 6mg is a huge dose and highly addictive. Wicked withdrawal symptoms also if try to stop.

Tell me about it.  I used Zolpidem (Ambien) for about 6 weeks, because I was on some medication that made it impossible for me to sleep.  Well, the rebound insomnia was worse than the original insomnia.  Took me almost 3 months to wean off even only 5mg a night pills.  Never again.  

[Magictoad]

7 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

Going to the UK shortly I bought Melatonin sleeping pills for on the plane and for jetlag. They served me well in the past.

This time I bought them from Lazada, each pill 10mg. I tried one and it did not work at all, so I went and bought some Travan 0.5mg from the local doctor and tried one and I fell asleep immediately for 8 hours.

My question is, is it possible that the Melatonin was counterfeit? Especially as I bought them from Lazada?

Is there anyway I can get them tested?

 

Melatonin: there would be no point counterfeiting it as does not really work. The time you tried it and you thought it worked that was just psychosomatic. Try 1/2 grams = one or two grammes of Ativan. They come in two gram pills which you can cut in half.  You can even get them legally from the hospital or pharmacy with a prescription to carry with you.

[Sheryl]

1 hour ago, Magictoad said:

Melatonin: there would be no point counterfeiting it as does not really work. The time you tried it and you thought it worked that was just psychosomatic. Try 1/2 grams = one or two grammes of Ativan. They come in two gram pills which you can cut in half.  You can even get them legally from the hospital or pharmacy with a prescription to carry with you.

It works for many people (me included)

 

It does not "knock you out", it just helps produce a natural sleepiness. People whose insomnia is tied to anxiety often find it does help, because they are looking for something that overcomes the anxiety.

 

Melatonin is particularly helpful for sleep problems related to melatonin levels e.g. jet lag and middle of the night/ early morning wakefulness in the elderly

 

Ativan is lorazepam, a benzo and a tranquilizer.  Already discussed in this thread. There are many brands here besides Ativan (which I think is going off market). Like all benzos, addictive if taken regularly, and a controlled substance here.

[Magictoad]

3 hours ago, how241 said:

Hydroxyzine has a longer half life,  about 20 hours so it's more likely to give you a hangover effect the next day.   Benadryl (diphenhydramine--has a shorter half life , about 7-10 hours,  so does Sominar.  Shorter half lifes will give you less next day effects. 

I was given, by a doctor,  Hydroxyzine for itchiness.

[Magictoad]

9 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

It works for many people (me included)

 

It does not "knock you out", it just helps produce a natural sleepiness. People whose insomnia is tied to anxiety often find it does help, because they are looking for something that overcomes the anxiety.

 

Melatonin is particularly helpful for sleep problems related to melatonin levels e.g. jet lag and middle of the night/ early morning wakefulness in the elderly

 

Ativan is lorazepam, a benzo and a tranquilizer.  Already discussed in this thread. There are many brands here besides Ativan (which I think is going off market). Like all benzos, addictive if taken regularly, and a controlled substance here.

Just take IT ONCE for the journey then you need not worry about addiction! Have a glass of brandy with it- live a little- turn your journey into a party!

[Will B Good]

9 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

Going to the UK shortly I bought Melatonin sleeping pills for on the plane and for jetlag. They served me well in the past.

This time I bought them from Lazada, each pill 10mg. I tried one and it did not work at all, so I went and bought some Travan 0.5mg from the local doctor and tried one and I fell asleep immediately for 8 hours.

My question is, is it possible that the Melatonin was counterfeit? Especially as I bought them from Lazada?

Is there anyway I can get them tested?

 

 

Only buy from LazMall

[how241]

18 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

I was given, by a doctor,  Hydroxyzine for itchiness.

You can buy it here at many pharmacys.  You don't need a doctors' Rx.  Most antihistamines will work for itching. 

[Krillin]

4 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

It was for a short time. But has been legal again for some time.

Googling it right now, it says it's still illegal without a prescription.

[richard_smith237]

I'm struck by how many people rely on sleeping tablets.

 

And I say that without judgement - I count myself among them.

 

I’ve tried melatonin, but it doesn’t do much when I’m truly struggling to sleep. Some nights, no matter what I do, rest just refuses to come.

 

Two nights ago, I managed a solid, unaided sleep - rare and wonderful. But then last night, I lay awake until 7am. I finally drifted off and slept to midday, only to wake with tired, heavy eyes that have stayed with me all day.

 

I used to take Xanax, Valium or other benzodiazepines when flying. I swear by them. I remember one flight a few years back - a 2am departure on a flatbed seat. I had a drink, took a benzo, and told the flight attendant to skip breakfast and just wake me with coffee at the last possible moment - the best way to fly !

 

These medications don’t knock me out cold. If I need to get up - say for the loo - I can do so without issue. But they do reliably bring on a proper, uninterrupted night’s rest.

 

I haven’t taken anything for a couple of months now. I’m very  cautious of the risk of dependency or habitual use.

 

That said, tonight I’ll be taking a Clonazepam. I’ve had enough of tossing and turning for weeks on end.

 

I don't experience the so-called 'morning brain fog' that some report. I've also experimented with marijuana, which does help - but I can’t use it regularly due to THC lingering in fat cells and showing up in drug screenings, which I occasionally have to do for work.

 

 

One concern that stays with me is the mental health aspect of long-term sleep medication use. I suspect these drugs suppress REM sleep - the stage where we dream. And without dreams, without that nightly psychological reset, I wonder what toll is quietly taken on the mind over time.

 

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1 hour ago, Krillin said:

Googling it right now, it says it's still illegal without a prescription.

 

My Thai family Thai son and his Thai wife both very well educated (and 4 kids) are very careful about using any medications.

 

Son's old school buddy is a doctor at one of the bigger hospitals here in Chiang Mai. Son called him 20 minutes ago and asked 'is Melatonin banned or restricted, does patient need a document to buy it?' Dr. said 'let me check and I'll call you back'.

 

Then the return call:

- Yes it was restricted about 3 years back but after perhaps 3 months the restriction was withdrawn.

- He also shared, the Health ministry website re medicines is vague and confusing on this item and it seems that the restriction was never justified.

- Dr. called a friend (a qualified / experienced pharmacist, snr. professional staff member at a big serious Pharma chain in Thailand, he confirmed the restriction was imposed then quickly removed several years back.

 

I've bought Melatonin several times on LINE shopping sites in the last 2 or 3 years. No mention of restrictions.

 

 

[norsurin]

I use Imovane 7,5 mg if needed.If i go on a holiday ex 3 months i get 100 pills from my doctor.

I also bring the papers i need for the bordercontrol if i get checked.So far they never checked me.

Since my first trip to Thailand in 2001 i never been stopped after passport control.

[how241]

10 minutes ago, norsurin said:

I use Imovane 7,5 mg if needed

Is this drug available in Thailand ??

[connda]

13 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

This time I bought them from Lazada, each pill 10mg. I tried one and it did not work at all, so I went and bought some Travan 0.5mg from the local doctor and tried one and I fell asleep immediately for 8 hours.

Travan (Lorazapam) is a strong benzodiazapine although not so much at the 0.5mg level.
Melatonin is a hormone that under the right conditions can help regulate circadian rhythms.

The former will help you become drowsy and fall asleep.  It also helps shut your brain off if you over-think.
The latter may help you if you have a relative regular sleep cycle and simply are looking to bump it.

If you have Travan, I highly recommend that you have a written Rx from a physician/hospital to keep you running foul of authorities in flight stop-overs or even your own home country.

If the Melatonin fake?  If it's a well known brand like Puritan Pride or Natrol, I doubt it.  Interesting.  Most supplier pulled their stocks from Lazada and Shopee when the Thai government started making noise about regulating it.  Then I started to buy it from iHerb.  Now there is only one carrier that iHerb uses for shipping to Thailand and they won't ship Melatonin.  Although it seems to be available on Lazada again but it's over-priced.
 

[connda]

7 hours ago, how241 said:

My friend uses this for sleeping quickly. He says it puts him to sleep very quickly.  He uses  Benadryl (diphenhydramine--15mg) ...2 times a week....

he alternately takes doxylamine(sominar-10 mg ) a few times a week...He alternates them to try and avoid building up a tolerance  But they are Both second generation antihistamines so I don't know if his plan is working.  These seem to be lower dosages than recommended BUT he also takes 1-2 beers with them to add to the knock out effect.  He claims that by taking the lower amount of pills he gets very little next day grogginess and the alcohol clears his body quickly.  Is something that would be reasonable safe to do 3-4 times a week ??? He has been doing this for several months and doesn't seem to be showing any side effects.  He does complain of getting a very dry mouth which is a common side effect of antihistamines and alcohol ... I was considering trying this but I thought I might get your feedback...Thanks for any opinions.

Benadryl is associated with memory loss in older people over time as are other anticholinergic meds. Just be aware.

[how241]

10 minutes ago, connda said:

Benadryl is associated with memory loss in older people over time

Not to be a wise guy, but isn't memory loss associated with older people over time anyway ? lol

I have also read some info like what you are referring to. 

[Lorry]

14 hours ago, CharlieH said:

For most people, 10mg of melatonin is considered too much, especially for regular use.

Recommended Melatonin Dosage:

• Adults: 0.5mg to 3mg is often effective for sleep onset.

• Occasional use: Up to 5mg is sometimes used short-term.

• 10mg: Generally only used under medical guidance; may cause grogginess, vivid dreams, or disrupt natural sleep cycles.

Why Less Is More:

Melatonin is a hormone, not a sedative. Taking too much can backfire, either by making it harder to sleep or causing next-day drowsiness. The body responds best to doses that mimic natural melatonin levels.

I know this is the theory. 

In practice,  I don't know anybody (myself included) who felt any effect from 3mg.

But I know some people who sleep with 10mg.

???