21 minutes ago, flexomike said:

84 F15,s were sold to Saudi Arabia under Obamas watch does that not count

Not towards F-35s, which was the claim of the poster.

19 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

That was different because Obama. 

Let me fix that for you;

 

That was different because Obama F-15s.

 

 

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

Let me fix that for you;

 

That was different because Obama F-15s.

 

 

How do F15's make it different? 

40 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Oh look ...a Trump rally in KSA....

Yes, completely spontaneous!😄

4 hours ago, BLMFem said:

To be fair, Trump makes it very easy to find things to be critical of.

 

I give you credit for having the patience and sheer endurance to engage with the mental midgetry of the Trump cultists who troll this forum. Honestly, it’s a waste of your energy. Most of them aren’t even American and have no clue what it actually means to live under the consequences of Trump’s destructive policies.

 

They also all follow the same tired, repetitive script every time Trump is criticized. There’s no originality, no substance. Step one, insult the person calling him out. Step two, drag up some irrelevant relic from a past administration to distract. Step three, pivot to lazy whataboutism to dodge the real issue. They never engage with the facts. Because they can’t. They have no argument.

 

Take the current topic. This isn’t about left or right. It doesn’t make you a “lefty” to call out something obviously reckless, yet that is a big part of their go-to whining. Giving $140 billion in advanced weaponry to MBS is dangerous, period. If you support that, you’re not being political, you’re making a moral failure. But instead of confronting that reality, they argue in circles and try to bury the conversation in noise.

 

The upside is they’re loud but few. Just look at the reactions to the original post. Nineteen positive, four negative. That’s nearly five to one against Trump’s position. The numbers don’t lie.

 

At the end of the day, you’re not changing their minds. You’re arguing with a group that’s shouting at a wall. They bring no merit, no facts, and no one with a functioning brain takes them seriously. Sometimes the smartest move is to stop feeding the noise and let them keep spiraling into irrelevance.

2 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Dude an F 15 or 34 is a huge difference! Also to @Mike_Hunt

The point I was trying to make was in regards to selling military equipment to the Saudis is bad according to a few on this post but it has been done by almost all presidents, I don't care what type of aircraft it is it is still a weapon.

6 minutes ago, short-Timer said:

I give you credit for having the patience and sheer endurance to engage with the mental midgetry of the Trump cultists who troll this forum. Honestly, it’s a waste of your energy. Most of them aren’t even American and have no clue what it actually means to live under the consequences of Trump’s destructive policies.

 

They also all follow the same tired, repetitive script every time Trump is criticized. There’s no originality, no substance. Step one, insult the person calling him out. Step two, drag up some irrelevant relic from a past administration to distract. Step three, pivot to lazy whataboutism to dodge the real issue. They never engage with the facts. Because they can’t. They have no argument.

 

Take the current topic. This isn’t about left or right. It doesn’t make you a “lefty” to call out something obviously reckless, yet that is a big part of their go-to whining. Giving $140 billion in advanced weaponry to MBS is dangerous, period. If you support that, you’re not being political, you’re making a moral failure. But instead of confronting that reality, they argue in circles and try to bury the conversation in noise.

 

The upside is they’re loud but few. Just look at the reactions to the original post. Nineteen positive, four negative. That’s nearly five to one against Trump’s position. The numbers don’t lie.

 

At the end of the day, you’re not changing their minds. You’re arguing with a group that’s shouting at a wall. They bring no merit, no facts, and no one with a functioning brain takes them seriously. Sometimes the smartest move is to stop feeding the noise and let them keep spiraling into irrelevance.

 

Why don't you mental midgets take some time off from your Trump-hating?   

5 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Why don't you mental midgets take some time off from your Trump-hating?   

Sure, just as soon as Trump stops doing things I hate.

Posts using derogatory and toxic nicknames or intentional misspelling of people’s names will be removed. If you don’t want your post to be removed, spell people’s names correctly, this applies to both sides of the political debate.

11 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Why don't you mental midgets take some time off from your Trump-hating?   

 

If Trump manages to reduces the cost of pharmaceuticals, all the people who constantly complain and attack him should be charged double. Only people who appreciate it when a president tries to do sth positive should benefit. 

 

People don't appreciate anything, no matter what leaders do. 

 

Just now, save the frogs said:

 

If Trump manages to reduces the cost of pharmaceuticals, all the people who constantly complain and attack him should be charged double. Only people who appreciate it when a president tries to do sth positive should benefit. 

 

People don't appreciate anything, no matter what leaders do. 

 

Yep.

21 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

If Trump manages to reduces the cost of pharmaceuticals, all the people who constantly complain and attack him should be charged double. Only people who appreciate it when a president tries to do sth positive should benefit. 

 

People don't appreciate anything, no matter what leaders do. 

 

 

20 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Yep.

Yep, I'm sure you two were first in line applauding when a Democrat did something positive! 😂

 

PS. Cue the infantile replies.

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

 

 

PS. Cue the infantile answers.

 

You are the queen of infantile answers.  

2 hours ago, illisdean said:

Don't forget Biden....the Biden saudi bag-licking flop

 

 

 

 

 

The current production increase was announced in June 2024 under Biden! Say thank you!  

 

Saudi Arabia to ramp up oil production capacity in the next 3 years - energy minister

Nirmal Narayanan

06 June 2024

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2524906/business-economy

 

 

11 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

You are the queen of infantile answers.  

thats bcuz ... trollz r us ...

 

Why did he refuse to drink coffee?

https://apple.news/Alh46c7LnT2K3HeFS2rqpvw

32 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

If Trump manages to reduces the cost of pharmaceuticals, all the people who constantly complain and attack him should be charged double. Only people who appreciate it when a president tries to do sth positive should benefit. 

 

People don't appreciate anything, no matter what leaders do. 

 

You are making stuff up again, while at the same time deflecting. Several posters who are critical to Trump have expressed support for reducing drug prices and ending the current scam (me, for example). Provided, of course, it actually happens.

16 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

You are the queen of infantile answers.  

Thank you, sister.😘

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

Thank you, sister.😘

Did you have anything to say about this question? 

 

What have the Democrats done that is positive in the past few years?  Have they dealt with Social Security yet?   The program that they also claim to be saving has run a deficit since 2010. 

 

I noticed you avoid any questions that require substance. 

11 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Why did he refuse to drink coffee?

https://apple.news/Alh46c7LnT2K3HeFS2rqpvw

1. Because it wasn't covfefe?

2, Because it was MLB who served it and he didn't wanna wake up on a "Dexter" style table?

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Did you have anything to say about this question? 

 

What have the Democrats done that is positive in the past few years?  Have they dealt with Social Security yet?   The program that they also claim to be saving has run a deficit since 2010. 

 

I noticed you avoid any questions that require substance. 

I reserve the substance for posters of substance. Unfortunately, you're not, buddy.

9 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

I reserve the substance for posters of substance. Unfortunately, you're not, buddy.

 

You are only equipped for trolling. You have zero substance. 

32 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

It confirms we both agree with our sources, nothing else 

My source is an official investigation followed by a plea deal. Your source is a crap video!  

8 hours ago, Will B Good said:

In case you CBA to read all that.....

 

 

 

The Trump–Saudi arms deal was reckless, hypocritical, and profit-driven.

It empowered a regime with a poor human rights record.

It criticises American foreign policy, corporate influence, and performative patriotism.

So it was ok when Biden was trying to make a pact?

( The Biden administration tried but was unable to close a defense pact with Saudi)   

 

6 hours ago, Tug said:

Well sure frank their citizens did the World Trade Center……they are amongst the most extreme adherents to the religion of (peace) and trump’s arming them.of course lucid Americans are concerned.

OK, so if 911  were  Saudis, why did you take out Iraq?

Do you support the overthrow of Assad in Syria now? You know that the new leaders are Isis and al queda.... known terrorists, right up until the US & UK decided to remove them from the terror list... weirdly they are now the good guys...no doubt you approve, but wait, trump does too.....which way will you flip flop?

2 hours ago, candide said:

You are making stuff up again, while at the same time deflecting. Several posters who are critical to Trump have expressed support for reducing drug prices and ending the current scam (me, for example). Provided, of course, it actually happens.

The left will do everything they can to stop him. 

10 hours ago, Lewie London said:

Oh bravo, Donald John. Absolute masterstroke, mate. Nothing says ‘world peace’ quite like flogging $142 billion worth of top-shelf death machines to a bloke who treats dissent like it’s a piñata party. MBS must’ve thought Christmas came early when Trump showed up: jets, bombs, drones, the works. All gift-wrapped in American exceptionalism and dipped in KFC mashed potato gravy. And they still call it a “strategic partnership.” Yeah, strategic in the same way giving a toddler a flamethrower is “educational.”

 

Let’s not forget who we’re dealing with here. Saudi Arabia. The country with a human rights record that makes North Korea look like a mindfulness retreat. These are the lads who drop airstrikes on school buses and weddings in Yemen like they’re playing Call of Duty on cocaine. And now we’ve decided they need more gear? Brilliant. What could possibly go wrong?

 

So now he’s singlehandedly solved the Middle East with a few tanks and a dodgy handshake from MBS, that’s Mohammed bin “saw a journalist in half” Salman, for the uninitiated. Then they rolled out the lavender carpet for him. Not red, mind you. Lavender. Real subtle, innit. Looked like Liberace had spewed royalty all over the runway. And Trump’s there lapping it up like an oversized Pomeranian in a tiara. Then he waddles into Riyadh like he’s Gandalf the Peacebringer, arms outstretched. Mate, they weren’t welcoming a statesman. They were measuring him up for a gold-plated yes-man trophy. All that pomp, all that fanfare, and for what? So Raytheon and Lockheed can cash in like it’s Black Friday in hell.

 

This ain’t about strategy. This is about sales. Corporate Christmas. They’re not solving conflicts. They’re investing in them. Bombs now, reconstruction later. A full-service business model. Meanwhile, Donnie’s grinning like a lunatic, signing away weapons like he’s doing a two-for-one on nukes at Aldi.

 

And what’s the endgame here? Strengthen our allies? Please. We’ve been down this road. Gave Saddam the tools. Next thing he’s gassing villages. Armed the Mujahideen. Next thing they’re flying planes into buildings. But no, this time it’ll be different. This time we’re arming responsibly. Like giving a chainsaw to a fox and saying, “Now don’t go mad with it.”

 

You’d think someone might raise an eyebrow. But nah. Trump's base is too busy wetting themselves over “America First” while their tax dollars are funding the arms race version of a garage sale in the Middle East. No schools, no healthcare, but don’t worry lads, Saudi’s got guided missiles coming out their ears.

 

Honestly mate, if irony were a weapon, Trump’d have already started World War Three.

Yawn

Now his supporters are going to talk about what a great negotiator he is and what a great deal maker he is, completely forgetting about the fact that he cannot negotiate his way out of a paper bag and he's had an insane number of business failures. The vast majority of his money has been earned through grifting and theft. 

 

17 of his businesses have failed in the past few  decades. Some at huge losses. Trump Steaks, Trump Shuttle Airline ($120 million in losses between 1988 and 1990), GoTrump, Trump Vodka, Trump Mortgage, Trump University, Trump Ice, The New Jersey Generals, Tour de Trump, Trump Network, Trump Magazine, Trumped!. Many businesses that licensed his name went bankrupt, or went out of business. 

 

And he had between four and six major bankruptcies (depending on the source), including the Trump Taj Mahal (which he spent $1.2 billion building, and was $3 billion in debt within a year of opening), Trump's Castle, Trump Place Hotel (which was very successful prior to Trump buying it in 1988, and he managed to put it into $550 million in debt by 1992!), Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts ($1.8 billion in debt by 2004, bankrupt in 2009) , and Trump Entertainment Resorts. There are likely others.

 

And this does not take into account the 3,600 lawsuits he was involved in as of the time he took office, the vast majority of which were filed by small contractors against his companies for non payment, or total default. Many of these contractors were crushed. It is part of his M.O. 

5 hours ago, ericthai said:

So it was ok when Biden was trying to make a pact?

( The Biden administration tried but was unable to close a defense pact with Saudi)   

 

 

My comment was just condensing down the original post???

 

I wasn't making any comment as such.

8 hours ago, candide said:

The current production increase was announced in June 2024 under Biden! Say thank you!  

 

Saudi Arabia to ramp up oil production capacity in the next 3 years - energy minister

Nirmal Narayanan

06 June 2024

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2524906/business-economy

 

 

yeah after he drained the oil reserves