On 5/17/2025 at 6:38 AM, save the frogs said:

I don't know much about it ... so I have to look it up.

 

Is it possible our mate Lewie is misrepresenting this bill to suit his own bias and twisted agenda?

 

Here is what it says on the govt page:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/05/one-big-beautiful-bill-is-a-once-in-a-generation-chance/

 

1 - It's the largest tax cut ever 

Americans earning between $30,000 and $80,000 will pay around 15% less in taxes

 

2 - It kicks illegal immigrants off taxpayer-funded Medicaid benefits. This bill eliminates waste, fraud, and abuse by ending benefits for at least 1.4 million illegal immigrants who are gaming the system.

 

3 - It prohibits Medicaid funding for gender transition procedures for minors.

 

 

"By analysing policy options previously touted by Republicans to reduce Medicaid funding, non-partisan think tank the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that the latest proposals could cut the number of people eligible for coverage by around 8.6 million over the next decade and result in up to 13.7 milllion Americans losing their health insurance by 2034.'   https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/republicans-proposed-medicaid-cuts-met-with-dismay/?cf-view

 

Now that's an awful lot of 'illegal immigrants' who someone else has pointed aren't even covered by Medicare nor SS (https://crr.bc.edu/the-truth-about-immigrants-medicare-and-social-security/). You don't seem to be like many of the more fervant Trump fans on this site who don't deal with facts and figures but you really need to stop drinking the Koolaid and get better informed. He promised not to touch Medicaid/Medicare and here we have it in black and white. From the same article:-

'Commenting on the bill, the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) expressed “deep concern” over the proposed plans, stating that they would ultimately limit coverage and access to care for “many of the over 70 million Americans – specifically children, older adults, individuals with disabilities, and those in rural and underserved communities – who rely on Medicaid for health care coverage” 

On 5/17/2025 at 7:13 AM, flexomike said:

 

Ha! Why the Republican resistance in the House? Because … like the previous Trump/Republican passed tax reduction in 2017  (the current Bill renews and enhances) … it will add yet more to the debt of the USA. The current Bill is just a continuation of spending but refusing to t@x to cover wanted/needed programs … from medical coverage to defense.

Republicans pummel Democrats for massive omnibus bills, and then Trump and the Republicans introduce a monstrosity of their own.  This is how both parties of the two party duopoly hide excessive congressional spending and bankrupt the nation as they line their own pockets.

13 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

So how EXACTLY will $900bn be cut? 

I don't know.

It's above my pay grade. 

Good to be skeptical.

 

12 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

"By analysing policy options previously touted by Republicans to reduce Medicaid funding, non-partisan think tank the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that the latest proposals could cut the number of people eligible for coverage by around 8.6 million over the next decade and result in up to 13.7 milllion Americans losing their health insurance by 2034.'   https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/republicans-proposed-medicaid-cuts-met-with-dismay/?cf-view

 

Now that's an awful lot of 'illegal immigrants' who someone else has pointed aren't even covered by Medicare nor SS (https://crr.bc.edu/the-truth-about-immigrants-medicare-and-social-security/). You don't seem to be like many of the more fervant Trump fans on this site who don't deal with facts and figures but you really need to stop drinking the Koolaid and get better informed. He promised not to touch Medicaid/Medicare and here we have it in black and white. From the same article:-

'Commenting on the bill, the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) expressed “deep concern” over the proposed plans, stating that they would ultimately limit coverage and access to care for “many of the over 70 million Americans – specifically children, older adults, individuals with disabilities, and those in rural and underserved communities – who rely on Medicaid for health care coverage” 

 

Yeah, so from the site, he claims:

Unauthorized immigrants are not eligible for Medicare or Social Security retirement benefits.  Nor does any evidence exist that unauthorized immigrants fraudulently receive benefits in large numbers. 

 

Ok, so he is claiming Trump is lying.

So to be honest, I don't know. 

If someone pays me, I'll look into it further. 

As of right now, it's above my pay grade.

 

However, you have no reason to believe this guy over the Trump administration.

Both the media and the govt are quite capable of stretching the truth. 

Please don't act like the media is Holy just because it supports your narrative.

 

 

 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yeah, so from the site, he claims:

Unauthorized immigrants are not eligible for Medicare or Social Security retirement benefits.  Nor does any evidence exist that unauthorized immigrants fraudulently receive benefits in large numbers. 

 

Ok, so he is claiming Trump is lying.

So to be honest, I don't know. 

If someone pays me, I'll look into it further. 

As of right now, it's above my pay grade.

 

However, you have no reason to believe this guy over the Trump administration.

Both the media and the govt are quite capable of stretching the truth. 

Please don't act like the media is Holy just because it supports your narrative.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It seems everything is “above your pay grade” but rather than do some simple research (there’s plenty of other sources to corroborate what I am saying - Google is your friend) you’d rather go with the Trump narrative. 
Illegal immigrants don’t get Medicare. Fact. Trump wants $900bn cut in services. Fact. The ONLY way to do that is to take a large saw to these programs. Fact. 
Now this may be shocking to you so you might want to sit down but Trump and his cohorts lie ALL THE TIME and they are certainly lying about this. The point though is whether you want to know the truth or sit in your Trump bubble with your fingers in your ears loudly screaming “la, la, la” like most Trump fans do?

12 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

It seems everything is “above your pay grade” but rather than do some simple research (there’s plenty of other sources to corroborate what I am saying - Google is your friend) you’d rather go with the Trump narrative. 
Illegal immigrants don’t get Medicare. Fact. Trump wants $900bn cut in services. Fact. The ONLY way to do that is to take a large saw to these programs. Fact. 
Now this may be shocking to you so you might want to sit down but Trump and his cohorts lie ALL THE TIME and they are certainly lying about this. The point though is whether you want to know the truth or sit in your Trump bubble with your fingers in your ears loudly screaming “la, la, la” like most Trump fans do?

 

I just did a quick google search. Although most sites claim illegal immigrants are not entitled, I also came across this:

 

 

A growing number of states have been ... something ... I can't click on the link

 

 

 

It appears that some states are bypassing Federal legislation and implementing their own policies.

 

https://www.city-journal.org/article/trump-department-of-health-and-human-services-medicaid-waivers-illegal-immigrants

 

Trump Should End Medicaid for Illegal Immigrants

 

it would deter additional Democrat-led states from using state funds to cover illegal immigrants under Medicaid. Second, if these states stop covering them, some illegal immigrants would self-deport or find more productive jobs.

 

 

 

The thing is, I don't think the White House would print false information on their web site because it's too easy to trace it back as a lie.

 

Trump might lie on the news in the heat of the moment, but the White House will not print total garbage nonsense on their official web site. It's not a Banana Republic. 

 

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

The thing is, I don't think the White House would print false information on their web site because it's too easy to trace it back as a lie.

 

Trump might lie on the news in the heat of the moment, but the White House will not print total garbage nonsense on their official web site. It's not a Banana Republic. 

 

 

Only maga true believers would believe that for a second!

This white house just like its dear leader LIES CONSTANTLY!

The US doesn't grow bananas so not a banana republic. I'll give you that one.

BTW, Medicare and Medicaid are DIFFERENT programs.

What the big bogus bill is trying to do is to GUT Medicaid.

Medicaid is targeting more to the poorest Americans. 

With maga cruelty is the point.

What happened to Lewie?

Lewie, you want to weigh in?

 

On 5/17/2025 at 8:38 AM, save the frogs said:

I don't know much about it ... so I have to look it up.

 

Is it possible our mate Lewie is misrepresenting this bill to suit his own bias and twisted agenda?

 

Here is what it says on the govt page:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/05/one-big-beautiful-bill-is-a-once-in-a-generation-chance/

 

1 - It's the largest tax cut ever 

Americans earning between $30,000 and $80,000 will pay around 15% less in taxes

 

2 - It kicks illegal immigrants off taxpayer-funded Medicaid benefits. This bill eliminates waste, fraud, and abuse by ending benefits for at least 1.4 million illegal immigrants who are gaming the system.

 

3 - It prohibits Medicaid funding for gender transition procedures for minors.

 

 

According to Grok:

 

1 - The “largest tax cut ever” claim is exaggerated without clear evidence it surpasses historical cuts in real terms. The 15% tax reduction for $30,000–$80,000 earners is unverified and likely overstated, as benefits may not be uniformly distributed across this income range. The claims rely on optimistic assumptions.

 

2 - The claim is misleading and partially false. The bill may tighten Medicaid eligibility, but the 1.4 million figure lacks evidence, and the “waste, fraud, abuse” framing is exaggerated and unsubstantiated. The focus on “illegal immigrants” oversimplifies a complex issue, potentially conflating legal and illegal statuses.

 

3 - The claim is likely true, as the bill probably includes this prohibition, consistent with stated GOP priorities. However, the framing is exaggerated, overstating the issue’s prevalence and using loaded language.

 

Conclusion: Approximately 30–40% of these claims are problematic due to exaggerations(largest tax cut, fraud narrative), unverified specifics (15% tax cut, 1.4 million figure), or misleading framing (Medicaid eligibility, “sanity” rhetoric). Point 3 is the most accurate, while Point 2 is the most misleading, with elements bordering on falsehood due to lack of evidence. Point 1 falls in between, with plausible but overstated claims. Verify details with primary sources like the House Budget Committee website for clarity.

11 hours ago, hankypankee said:

falsehood due to lack of evidence

lack of evidence probably due to shady bookkeeping due to states bending the rules, maybe

 

11 hours ago, hankypankee said:

1 - The “largest tax cut ever” claim is exaggerated 

largest ever may be exaggerated, but tax cuts nonetheless.

 

and yet people continue to spew the generalized attack "they only care about lining their own pockets".

is that substantiated? 

 

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

lack of evidence probably due to shady bookkeeping due to states bending the rules, maybe

 

Conjecture at best. 

5 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

1 out of 3.

 

We all knew the 24 hours was an exaggeration.  Even I knew that.

 

Cost have gone down and will continue.

 

Eliminating fraud, waste and abuse is not a cut. Nor is free medical for illegal aliens.

 

Next!

Lol! Apart from the global oil price decrease, which is due to Saudi Arabia deciding to increase its production last year, which cost have gone down?

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

largest ever may be exaggerated, but tax cuts nonetheless.

 

and yet people continue to spew the generalized attack "they only care about lining their own pockets".

is that substantiated? 

 

In 40+ years I've never seen the convicted criminal do anything but help himself. Now he's running the biggest crypto grift in presidential history from the White House. People don't change. 

2 minutes ago, hankypankee said:

In 40+ years I've never seen the convicted criminal do anything but help himself. Now he's running the biggest crypto grift in presidential history from the White House. People don't change. 

Most corrupt president ever. He doesn't even hide it.

Normal president serves the people.

Wanna be God King -- the entire world pressured to serve him.

Totally insane that any decent American support his mess.

The impact of tax cuts has already been discussed (between + 0.6% for the poorest cat3gory to +4.3% for the richest category). Here is the assessment of the effect of both tax cuts and cuts to federal programs such as Medicaid and food stamps, by the Penn Wharton budget model.

 

"The bottom 20% of households, who earn up to about $17,000 annually, would see their after-tax incomes drop by $1,035 in 2026, including a reduction in government benefits, the nonpartisan group found. The top 0.1%, who earn at least $4.3 million per year, would get an annual after-tax boost of about $389,000, Penn Wharton said."

 

And the reply from the WH!

 

"Once again, the experts are wrong, just as they were about the impact of Trump's tariffs, which have yielded trillions in investments, record job growth, and no inflation," said White House spokesman Harrison Fields in an email to CBS MoneyWatch. " 🤣

 

These estimates don't take into account the possible impact of tariffs on inflation. It is  also discussed in the article

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-tax-bill-one-big-beautiful-bill-impact-by-income-group/

12 hours ago, hankypankee said:

In 40+ years I've never seen the convicted criminal do anything but help himself. Now he's running the biggest crypto grift in presidential history from the White House. People don't change. 

Leopard never changes its spots you mean?

 

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Most corrupt president ever. He doesn't even hide it.

Bill O'Reilly picks the most corrupt presidents.

 

 

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Bill O'Reilly picks the most corrupt presidents.

 

 

A maga sycophant. Worthless.

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Most corrupt president ever. He doesn't even hide it.

 

You really are not able to appreciate anything or barely understand what he's doing. 

 

Compounded by the clowns on AN starting silly threads. 

 

He just brought in an astronomical and astounding amount of investments, which will create jobs and which will keep the stock market going strong. 

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/05/what-they-are-saying-trillions-in-great-deals-secured-for-america-thanks-to-president-trump/

 

President Donald J. Trump’s first official trip was a huge success, locking in over $2 trillion in great deals—including a $600 billion investment commitment from Saudi Arabia, a $1.2 trillion economic exchange agreement with Qatar, $243.5 billion in U.S.-Qatar commercial and defense deals, and $200 billion in U.S.-United Arab Emirates commercial deals.

 

President Trump’s historic collaboration with these Middle Eastern nations not only strengthens America’s economy ...

 

 

50 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

You really are not able to appreciate anything or barely understand what he's doing. 

 

Compounded by the clowns on AN starting silly threads. 

 

He just brought in an astronomical and astounding amount of investments, which will create jobs and which will keep the stock market going strong. 

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/05/what-they-are-saying-trillions-in-great-deals-secured-for-america-thanks-to-president-trump/

 

President Donald J. Trump’s first official trip was a huge success, locking in over $2 trillion in great deals—including a $600 billion investment commitment from Saudi Arabia, a $1.2 trillion economic exchange agreement with Qatar, $243.5 billion in U.S.-Qatar commercial and defense deals, and $200 billion in U.S.-United Arab Emirates commercial deals.

 

President Trump’s historic collaboration with these Middle Eastern nations not only strengthens America’s economy ...

 

 

Garbage PROPAGANDA source.

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Whitehouse.gov - Bias and Credibility - Media Bias/Fact Check

 

www.mediabiasfactcheck.com/whitehouse-gov/

Nearly 48 hours, 4 pages, 90 posts and the OP hasn't been back once.

Does me no harm and he obviously picks topics that interest many, just seems a bit odd..

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Garbage PROPAGANDA source.

 

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

I wish you all the best, as long as your interests don't conflict with mine. 

 

Just now, save the frogs said:

 

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

I wish you all the best, as long as your interests don't conflict with mine. 

 

If you were Russian, would you believe Kremlin owned state tv?

Trump's press secretary even puts North Korean "press" announcers to shame. 

It's weird that any person with any common sense doesn't get this.

Removed a troll post that claimed others were paid to post. If you have any actual evidence please forward it to support. 

 

 

On 5/16/2025 at 12:25 PM, Tug said:

Yup another grift for the billionaires to heck with regular folks….it’s beeing described as political seppku lol it’s such a blatant rep off of the working class that even the trumpers are starting to realize it …….oh and another tidbit since I’ve gotten back to the states I haven’t spotted one trumper sporting any of that cheap Chinese swag not a one,I’m in San Diego a fairly conservative military town….me thinks they are a starting to sour on the orange flimflam man.

Do you know dumb you lefties sound?  This billionaire narrative is just idiocy. 

10 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Eggs, groceries to start.  I spent April in San Diego so had first hand, real world experience.  Not  a percentage, stat, poll or the infamous spread sheet created by God only knows who.

 

Sure, these reductions don’t happen overnight as the leftists expect them to.  Even inflation is in descent.

 

He’s only been full steam ahead for 4 months.

 

Just imagine how great the USA will be in a few short years.

 

 

B.S. Groceries are not cheaper than last year! 😆

 

(and the effect of tariffs is not yet felt, but that's another topic)

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CPIUFDNS