9 minutes ago, jvs said:

What i meant was the fact that when Putin invaded The Ukraine it caused Finland and Sweden to join NATO.

That in itself caused Russia to have an even longer border with NATO.

At least one of the excuses for invading The Ukraine back fired on a giant scale.

 

No. Finland and Sweden are irrelevant to Russia. The vast  European plains where Ukraine is located are much harder to defend than the Finnish border. Just take a look at the map.

 

If Ukraine is neutral defense of Russia is much easier, if NATO encroaches there by admitting Ukraine the defense of Russia would be almost impossible.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Because Russia has no interest to invade Finland whatsoever. Finland is not on the  great European plains which is a MUCH larger entry point than the Finnish border which is much easier to defend.

To take Europe, they need Northern Norway and with Norway northern Finland is needed. 

 

I was on the border to stop Russians if the invaded. So there is no secrets or surprises when it comes to Russian strategy. 

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Tell us what tactical purpose this attack served instead of the usual flaming we see from your crowd

If you cannot figure out the tactical purpose, you shouldn't be anywhere near this discussion 🤣

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

By acknowledging that the war is over and has been for over 2 years.  Complete capitulation would be giving up Kiev and Odessa.  Which he may force Putin to take if he keeps sniping around the edges.

 

It's time for the dying to stop and the rebuilding to begin.

 

 

Partial capitulation then, sure 🤣🤣

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

To take Europe, they need Northern Norway and with Norway northern Finland is needed. 

 

I was on the border to stop Russians if the invaded. So there is no secrets or surprises when it comes to Russian strategy. 

You assume Russia wants to "take Europe"?  LOL

14 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Yes of course he does.  As does Cameroni, etc.  But they will never admit it.  They only want peace, you see.  They only want to avoid WORLD WAR 3!

 

For the record, I fully, unequivocally and in total moral conviction support Russia in this war, which was deceived, lied to and is merely protecting its national interest.

 

Ukraine cheated, whilst its electricity and gas bills were paid by Russia she jumped into bed with hansum man USA and then did a gangbang with the EU and the USA. 

 

Russia has the full and total right to wage war on Ukraine. I fully spport Russia and Putin in this war against Ukraine.

24 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, if WW3 starts, it will definitely be Ukraine, Britain and the US that started it. Thankfully Trump, a man of peace, is in charge.

 

It really doesn't matter who starts it.

 

Personally, I'm afraid it will be a failure of some safety aspect that doesn't prevent an unintended automatic response.

 

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

To take Europe, they need Northern Norway and with Norway northern Finland is needed. 

 

I was on the border to stop Russians if the invaded. So there is no secrets or surprises when it comes to Russian strategy. 

 

Russia has no interest "to take Europe". 

 

Their only interest is to ensure the safety of Russia by making sure the great European plains can be defended.

3 minutes ago, mikebike said:

If you cannot figure out the tactical purpose, you shouldn't be anywhere near this discussion 🤣

I figured it out from the moment it happened. But hey, educate me with your wisdom lol

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Because Russia has no interest to invade Finland whatsoever. Finland is not on the  great European plains which is a MUCH larger entry point than the Finnish border which is much easier to defend.

Finland 5.6 M population > 38 M and counting backward for Ukraine.

I agree Finland has nothing to offer worth fighting over and isn't 

murdering ethic Russians like in Donbas.

If they station too many missiles near the border , things might change.

 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Russia has the full and total right to wage war on Ukraine. I fully spport Russia and Putin in this war against Ukraine.

Putin is a scumbag terrorist thug. I dont support him, I oppose the so called Ukraine. Folks who support Ukraine are ignorant of history

Just now, impulse said:

 

It really doesn't matter who starts it.

 

Personally, I'm afraid it will be a failure of some safety aspect that doesn't prevent an unintended automatic response.

 

 

That's a real risk of course, these incompetents stumbling into war.

 

Just witness Merz the impotent wannabe warlord escalating things with Russia. Russia has now said that German cities that supply Ukrainian missiles or produce them will be legitimate targets.

 

The Europeans  in particular concern me. Witness also the face slapper husband in France talking about putting boots on the ground in Ukraine. It's insane.

11 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Zelensky's reticence is forcing Putin to exceed his stated goal.  He was content with the pacifying the Donbas region.  Said so before the operation.  They could force him to go all the way to Kiev (and take Odessa).

 

Agree in part. I think although this was a well planned and carried out attack but the actual strategic affect is minimal and it's just poked the bear. Let's see how "the bear" reacts. As for Kiev and Odessa this I doubt. 

8 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Zelensky's reticence is forcing Putin to exceed his stated goal.  He was content with the pacifying the Donbas region.  Said so before the operation.  They could force him to go all the way to Kiev (and take Odessa).

 

You're attempting to re write historical facts though. Russia's key objective when they invaded Ukraine was to take Kiev, they failed miserably, a complete humiliation

 

The three-day war plan did not work out for them.

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Finland and Sweden are irrelevant to Russia.

Finland is relevant as an offensive threat. If they were publicly revanchist, Russia would have a problem. They have been moving troops in Karelia regardless.

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

Everyone should know this. And by now everyone should know who is calling the shots, so to speak.  It isn't Zelensky and it doesn't seem to be Trump, who may well be out of the loop.  

 

Blame the usual suspects. 

 

Anyway, none of it bodes well for the people of Ukraine. I haven't looked at the news in the last hour or so, so for all I know, they may all be crispy critters by now.   

 

We're now in a phase where the only relevant news cycle lasts for about 24 hours. Information more than a day old? Not so relevant.  

 

Perhaps Putin will show some restraint. Otherwise, the Neocon warmongers win, they get the WWIII they're so desperately trying to start, and that will be the end of the world as we know it.  Sooner or later, that's where this is going, unless the war stops now. 

 

Shutting down Starlink would certainly stop the drone attacks.  

 

 

 

Its amazing how many here are still in the cold war era.

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No. Finland and Sweden are irrelevant to Russia. The vast  European plains where Ukraine is located are much harder to defend than the Finnish border. Just take a look at the map.

 

If Ukraine is neutral defense of Russia is much easier, if NATO encroaches there by admitting Ukraine the defense of Russia would be almost impossible.

You are only thinking about land borders.

Russia would lose access thru the seas.

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Odessa this I doubt. 

Odessa is a Russian city founded by Russians on Russian territory at the time

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Odessa is a Russian city founded by Russians on Russian territory at the time

At the time,yes.

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

Everyone should know this. And by now everyone should know who is calling the shots, so to speak.  It isn't Zelensky and it doesn't seem to be Trump, who may well be out of the loop.  

 

Blame the usual suspects. 

 

Anyway, none of it bodes well for the people of Ukraine. I haven't looked at the news in the last hour or so, so for all I know, they may all be crispy critters by now.   

 

We're now in a phase where the only relevant news cycle lasts for about 24 hours. Information more than a day old? Not so relevant.  

 

Perhaps Putin will show some restraint. Otherwise, the Neocon warmongers win, they get the WWIII they're so desperately trying to start, and that will be the end of the world as we know it.  Sooner or later, that's where this is going, unless the war stops now. 

 

Shutting down Starlink would certainly stop the drone attacks.  

 

 

 

Its amazing how many here are still in the cold war era.

 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

As the EU is willing to sacrifice Ukrainian's in it's proxy war with Russia.

Pre 22 ., Ukraine had a neo Nazi problem and was most corrupt country in Europe..as widely reported in the MSM,  now the zman, who campaigned on bringing peace is lorded eveywhere by the US & UK as a combat hero

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You're attempting to re write historical facts though. Russia's key objective when they invaded Ukraine was to take Kiev, they failed miserably, a complete humiliation

 

The three-day war plan did not work out for them.

 

The opening move toward Kiev was a feint to force Zelensky to flee to one of his properties around the world.  He probably would have fled if the US warmongers and BoJo didn't convince him not to.

 

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Odessa is a Russian city founded by Russians on Russian territory at the time

Agree but to take it militarily is difficult.

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

Everyone should know this. And by now everyone should know who is calling the shots, so to speak.  It isn't Zelensky and it doesn't seem to be Trump, who may well be out of the loop.  

 

Blame the usual suspects. 

 

Anyway, none of it bodes well for the people of Ukraine. I haven't looked at the news in the last hour or so, so for all I know, they may all be crispy critters by now.   

 

We're now in a phase where the only relevant news cycle lasts for about 24 hours. Information more than a day old? Not so relevant.  

 

Perhaps Putin will show some restraint. Otherwise, the Neocon warmongers win, they get the WWIII they're so desperately trying to start, and that will be the end of the world as we know it.  Sooner or later, that's where this is going, unless the war stops now. 

 

Shutting down Starlink would certainly stop the drone attacks.  

 

 

 

Its amazing how many here are still in the cold war era.

 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

As the EU is willing to sacrifice Ukrainian's in it's proxy war with Russia.

Pre 22 ., Ukraine had a neo Nazi problem and was most corrupt country in Europe..as widely reported in the MSM,  now the zman, who campaigned on bringing peace is lorded eveywhere by the US & UK as a combat hero

5 minutes ago, jvs said:

You are only thinking about land borders.

Russia would lose access thru the seas.

 

That's right, as is Russia, they are looking at the possibility of NATO forces invading Russia on the ground, coming in through the vast European plains to which Ukraine is the key. Not Finland, the Finnish border is much more easily defended. 

 

The vast European plains, if Ukraine defects to the West, would become indefensible.

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

The move toward Kiev was a feint to force Zelensky to flee to one of his properties around the world.  He probably would have fled if the US warmongers and BoJo didn't convince him not to.

 

Deflection from Russia's failed and humiliating 3 day war plan to take Kiev where the US also offered him evacuation.

 

"The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride"

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's right, as is Russia, they are looking at the possibility of NATO forces invading Russia on the ground, coming in through the vast European plains to which Ukraine is the key. Not Finland, the Finnish border is much more easily defended. 

 

The vast European plains, if Ukraine defects to the West, would become indefensible.

Indefensible?

Who would want to invade russia?

Just another baseless argument.

 

8 minutes ago, jas007 said:

You assume Russia wants to "take Europe"?  LOL

You can be an smartass, or ignorant! Wat is Russia doing now? We talking about they expand their borders. 

 

Norway and Finland is European countries, and of strategic importance. 

 

Poland, Moldovia, Romania, Bulgaria, and The Baltikum is recognized as European countries. 

7 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Its amazing how many here are still in the cold war era.

 

Pre 22 ., Ukraine had a neo Nazi problem and was most corrupt country in Europe..as widely reported in the MSM,  now the zman, who campaigned on bringing peace is lorded eveywhere by the US & UK as a combat hero

So Russia do not have neo nazis and a corrupt country 😁

 

Todays joke

1 minute ago, jvs said:

Indefensible?

Who would want to invade russia?

Just another baseless argument.

 

 

Try explaining that to the Russian president who has to ensure his nation is safe but is now seeing assets in Siberia, Saratov and near Murmansk being attacked.

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Because Russia has no interest to invade Finland whatsoever. Finland is not on the  great European plains which is a MUCH larger entry point than the Finnish border which is much easier to defend.

They tried once

The Winter War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

 

I don't think any attack on Russia would involve tanks rumbling across the European plains. Modern warfare has almost made the tank obsolete sitting duck.