1 hour ago, hotsun said:

Are you thai? America is a democracy, thailand is not

Don't mix up democratic and MAGA Fascist Regime.

8 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

I think Sec Def needs to look up Posse Comitatus Act first.  However when I was working the 1992  riots rumore were rampant that the Army would be deployed to assist because the CA Army National Guard at that was useless.  The Army was never deployed.  Most of us in LE worked 15+ days straight on 12 hour shifts.  

I thought about Ca NG quelling riots.

I think its a bad idea , mostly because they would be forced to come down on 

friends & family!

Texas NG is a better CANDIDATE, mostly because of experience & no ties.

 

 

11 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

I don't understand how these incompetent leftists continue to get elected to office.  They ruin everything they touch. 

Are you kidding?  The Democrats in California, especially in LA, which is almost all Democrat these days, vote as a block and apparently without thinking much.  So it's no big secret how the incompetents are elected. 

17 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

Assimilation is myth. America is starkly divided along racial and ethic lines and the numbers are so great now they've formed a coalition with immigrants (except the evil racist white South African immigrants) against the original American population. The majority of blacks will align with the new coalition just like the mayor of L.A.

 

All of this was totally predictable and the reason why multicultural societies can not exist for long.

I don't know how old you are, but assimilation was not a myth until after the Hart-Celler Act was passed. 

2 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Are you kidding?  The Democrats in California, especially in LA, which is almost all Democrat these days, vote as a block and apparently without thinking much.  So it's no big secret how the incompetents are elected. 

 

They don't associate their vote with the results.  

22 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

I think Sec Def needs to look up Posse Comitatus Act first.  However when I was working the 1992  riots rumore were rampant that the Army would be deployed to assist because the CA Army National Guard at that was useless.  The Army was never deployed.  Most of us in LE worked 15+ days straight on 12 hour shifts.  

Sure, but I'm pretty sure that neither Hegseth nor Trump would let that stop them. Trump would simply cite the Insurrection Act as authorization and argue about the legality of that latter.  By the time the matter is finally settled, the riots will be over. 

33 minutes ago, UserC923 said:

We are a democracy + military dictatorship + absolute monarchy + liberalism. At least we are a democracy. I think the international community will definitely discriminate against us.

 

A democracy means the peoples votes matter. The people of thailand have no say. So not a democracy

33 minutes ago, UWEB said:

Don't mix up democratic and MAGA Fascist Regime.

Retard. Americas elections are the only proven legitimate in the world

35 minutes ago, UWEB said:

Don't mix up democratic and MAGA Fascist Regime.

Define Fascist.

28 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

They don't associate their vote with the results.  

 

They only associate their votes with the free stuff they're promised.

 

7 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

43 minutes ago, UWEB said:

Don't mix up democratic and MAGA Fascist Regime.

Define Fascist.

 

Simples... Anyone he disagrees with.  That's the lefty definition.

 

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Sure, but I'm pretty sure that neither Hegseth nor Trump would let that stop them. Trump would simply cite the Insurrection Act as authorization and argue about the legality of that latter.  By the time the matter is finally settled, the riots will be over. 

Hopefully by the time the NG can actually  mobilize, draw equipment, receive op orders and deploy it will be Tuesday and things will calm down. I would not want to see Marines from Pendelton patrollig the streets of LA.  This would come with risks.  Internal civil disturbances are the  responsibility of cilviliain law enforcement and if they are overwhelmed then the NG can play only a supporting role.  The absolute last esort is active duty military. If this happens then it's time to lock your doors and lock and load whatever firearm you can get a hold ot.  The current situation is no way near that.  

What an absolute moron. His pie hole opens and shtie falls out. He can't help it.

From NYT:
President Trump praised the National Guard for their work in Los Angeles at immigration protests in his latest Truth Social post. But the 2,000 troops he ordered to the area have yet to arrive. It’s been mostly local law enforcement and some federal agents who have dealt with protesters.

56 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Define Fascist.

That's easy.... "someone I don't like". 

20 hours ago, riclag said:

Personal Insults  usually get rewarded !

Congratulations! Have a nice stay in my room for the ignored !

What difference does it make? It doesn't seem you need anyone else's input to hold a "conversation."

If you are so adverse to people contributing, why don't you just start a journal?

 

Looks like a real insurrection this time. I suspect the left will dearly regret encouraging this violence. 

12 minutes ago, madone said:

What difference does it make? It doesn't seem you need anyone else's input to hold a "conversation."

If you are so adverse to people contributing, why don't you just start a journal?

 

Would you rather he be like me, and abuse the lefties here? I would put you all on ignore too if i were better

17 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

Hopefully by the time the NG can actually  mobilize, draw equipment, receive op orders and deploy it will be Tuesday and things will calm down. I would not want to see Marines from Pendelton patrollig the streets of LA.  This would come with risks.  Internal civil disturbances are the  responsibility of cilviliain law enforcement and if they are overwhelmed then the NG can play only a supporting role.  The absolute last esort is active duty military. If this happens then it's time to lock your doors and lock and load whatever firearm you can get a hold ot.  The current situation is no way near that.  

 I think a Colonel Jessup Mentality is at work:

 

 

28 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

Hopefully by the time the NG can actually  mobilize, draw equipment, receive op orders and deploy it will be Tuesday and things will calm down. I would not want to see Marines from Pendelton patrollig the streets of LA.  This would come with risks.  Internal civil disturbances are the  responsibility of cilviliain law enforcement and if they are overwhelmed then the NG can play only a supporting role.  The absolute last esort is active duty military. If this happens then it's time to lock your doors and lock and load whatever firearm you can get a hold ot.  The current situation is no way near that.  

That's probably already happening. Camp Pendleton is just up the road from LA. Right up I-5. Depending on the rush hour traffic, it could be a quick trip. Maybe a one hour drive. I'm not sure they'd divert traffic on that segment of I-5, and the only time it really quiets down is about 3-4AM. I used to live in Del Mar, close enough to I-5 that I could hear the traffic at rush hour, and notice its absence very late at night.  Anyway, don't think there Marines couldn't show up on short notice. 

12 minutes ago, jas007 said:

That's probably already happening. Camp Pendleton is just up the road from LA. Right up I-5. Depending on the rush hour traffic, it could be a quick trip. Maybe a one hour drive. I'm not sure they'd divert traffic on that segment of I-5, and the only time it really quiets down is about 3-4AM. I used to live in Del Mar, close enough to I-5 that I could hear the traffic at rush hour, and notice its absence very late at night.  Anyway, don't think there Marines couldn't show up on short notice. 

Down the road from LA, and right down the 5, 

 

That has not been a one-hour drive for a long time. 

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Down the road from LA, and right down the 5, 

 

That has not been a one-hour drive for a long time. 

Except, perhaps, in the 3AM to 4AM time frame,  Otherwise, if they absolutely wanted to alter base restrictions on civilan traffic, they could divert the I-5 traffic going south onto the Pacific Coast Highway.  

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

Except, perhaps, in the 3AM to 4AM time frame,  Otherwise, if they absolutely wanted to alter base restrictions on civilan traffic, they could divert the I-5 traffic going south onto the Pacific Coast Highway.  

It's what, 90 miles? Doable in a hour, but not likely with a miltary convoy. 

 

Del Mar, "Where the surf meets the turf", nice! 

4 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

are they both dead now?  So much for the yippie movement.

 

 

They're both dead. Hoffman in 1989, reportedly by suicide. Rubin was run over in LA in 1994 and subsequently suffered a heart attack. 

 

 

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It's what, 90 miles? Doable in a hour, but not likely with a miltary convoy. 

 

Del Mar, "Where the surf meets the turf", nice! 

Sorry.  I'm all mixed up. And I do know better. I just remember the flow of traffic between Camp Pendleton and San Diego and I forgot that we're talking about Marines to LA and not sending troops to the Mexican border.  

 

So it's problematic. And the drive would be longer than one hour. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Sorry.  I'm all mixed up. And I do know better. I just remember the flow of traffic between camp Pendleton and San Diego and I forgot that we're talking about Marines to LA and not sending troops to the Mexican border.  

 

So it's problematic. And the drive would be longer than one hour. 

 

 

No more than two at 3-4 AM I don't think with a convoy. 

 

Yeah, Pendelton is just up the 5 from the border...

22 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It's what, 90 miles? Doable in a hour, but not likely with a miltary convoy. 

 

Del Mar, "Where the surf meets the turf", nice! 

 

  Close.  "Where the turf meets the surf. "

 

  Awesome race track.  Rivaled only by Saratoga for ambience and great racing.

45 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No more than two at 3-4 AM I don't think with a convoy. 

 

Yeah, Pendelton is just up the 5 from the border...

 

20 minutes and a fast rope...

 

But let's hope it doesn't come to that.

 

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

20 minutes and a fast rope...

 

But let's hope it doesn't come to that.

 

I think Trump and his enforcement people are just waiting for the opportunity. This might be it. 

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I think Trump and his enforcement people are just waiting for the opportunity. This might be it. 

 

They're certainly not going to stand idly by for another summer of "mostly peaceful" violence, arson and looting.  Trump learned his lesson last time.

 

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

U.S, law allows the President to federalize (bring under federal control) the National Guard of a states without the request or even agreement of the state governor.  The President can thereby order National Guard units into action or to "stand down," with their place taken by federal troops. 

 https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/guide-invocations-insurrection-act

 

I read a recent Brennan Center article on this just by chance earlier today. Their upshot was that MOST situations are going to require at least the consent of the state's governor, even if the NG troops are under federal control.

 

The one exception to that would be the president invoking the Insurrection Act, which would really be a step into political/constitutional outer space, but not one I would put past Trump.

 

The President’s Power to Call Out the National Guard Is Not a Blank Check

November 18, 2024

 

...

"The Guard’s June 2020 operation in D.C. was unprecedented; § 502(f) had never before been used for a federally requested deployment in response to civil unrest. Historically, when presidents have desired to deploy the military for this purpose, they have invoked the Insurrection Act and deployed either active-duty federal troops or federalized National Guard. The District of Columbia’s unusual status within the United States’s federal system presents a second question: whether the deployment of unfederalized, out-of-state Guard troops into a nonconsenting jurisdiction would be lawful if that jurisdiction were a state. The answer to both of these questions is no.

...

The word “request” in § 502(f)(2)(A) is significant. The president or the secretary of defense may ask a governor to deploy National Guard troops, but the governor is under no obligation to acquiesce. This reading is supported by 32 U.S.C. § 328, which makes clear that a governor is the party empowered to order National Guard troops to duty under either prong of § 502(f). A governor’s right to refuse was evident in the summer of 2020—the Trump administration asked a total of 15 governors to deploy their Guard personnel into Washington, but four declined to do so.

...

Moreover, regardless of Congress’s intent, deployments of the National Guard in Title 32 status must in all cases respect the co-equal and territorially limited sovereignty of the states. As a constitutional matter, the deployment of unfederalized Guard personnel into a nonconsenting state is never permissible. If the president wishes to unilaterally deploy military forces into a nonconsenting state, then they must do so through the statutory mechanism that Congress has provided for this purpose since 1792: the Insurrection Act. [emphasis added]

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/presidents-power-call-out-national-guard-not-blank-check