Dual engine failure? Original footage showing the ram air turbine was deployed.

 

 

Put a cat on board next time

8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Dual engine failure? Original footage showing the ram air turbine was deployed.

 

 

Assumptions again. How many to follow?

4 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Assumptions again. How many to follow?

He's a pilot. 

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

He's a pilot. 

Yes, therefore assumptions, unless we'll see the report by investigation.

8 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Assumptions again. How many to follow?

He's not assuming the RAT was deployed. He's showing it. If you've got nothing worthwhile to say say nothing.

I also hope the relevant authorities are making similar logical assumptions, as the report from the formal investigation could take weeks, and if there's an issues with older 787's that could cause dual engine failure, it would be good to take preventative action sooner.

 

It took two 737 Max crashes before action was taken.

1 minute ago, Kinnock said:

I also hope the relevant authorities are making similar logical assumptions, as the report from the formal investigation could take weeks, and if there's an issues with older 787's that could cause dual engine failure, it would be good to take preventative action sooner.

 

It took two 737 Max crashes before action was taken.

If it's a Boeing I'll never going.

Old proven proverb

@newbee2022 a flame and troll post have been removed. Please stop.

More "evidence" that RAT was deployed.

 

19 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Yes, therefore assumptions, unless we'll see the report by investigation.

Plane lost speed and height. Fair assumptions.

22 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

He's a pilot. 

Even he's a pilot - leave it to the report which will be filed by official investigators. Anything else I'd just guessing.

19 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Assumptions again. How many to follow?

It is possible, but unlikely other than perhaps a double bird strike.

 

I have not been following the story, so it is only my guess.

 

There are so many self proclaimed aviation experts on AN  nowadays, that I prefer to wait for the results by fully qualified accident investigators. It takes longer but is far more accurate.

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Plane lost speed and height. Fair assumptions.

My 1st post on this was a dual engine failure although I thought the likelihood of this seemed impossible. It just looked like it lost all thrust.

Just now, billd766 said:

It is possible, but unlikely other than perhaps a double bird strike.

 

I have not been following the story, so it is only my guess.

 

There are so many self proclaimed aviation experts on AN  nowadays, that I prefer to wait for the results by fully qualified accident investigators. It takes longer but is far more accurate.

That's what I just posted 

1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

Even he's a pilot - leave it to the report which will be filed by official investigators. Anything else I'd just guessing.

People are allowed to talk. Looks like dual engine failure to me.

2 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Even he's a pilot - leave it to the report which will be filed by official investigators. Anything else I'd just guessing.

You can see and hear that the RAT is deployed. From your comments it would seem you haven't bothered to watch the linked vids.

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

It is possible, but unlikely other than perhaps a double bird strike.

 

I have not been following the story, so it is only my guess.

 

There are so many self proclaimed aviation experts on AN  nowadays, that I prefer to wait for the results by fully qualified accident investigators. It takes longer but is far more accurate.

Why don't you watch the vids. Bird strike has been ruled out. 

Just now, dinsdale said:

You can see and hear that the RAT is deployed. From your comments it would seem you haven't bothered to watch the linked vids.

I'll wait for the report.

Because I'm not a pilot.

Because I'm not an aviation expert

Because I'm not an investigator.

Good bye

1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

I'll wait for the report.

Because I'm not a pilot.

Because I'm not an aviation expert

Because I'm not an investigator.

Good bye

One doesn't need to be a pilot or an air crash investigator to understand things. The RAM was deployed which is the title of the thread and I've now linked 2 vids showing a very high likelihood that this was the case. 

8 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Yeah, obviously another aviation expert. Congrats.

Common sense as engines are designed to run even with electrical failure so I agree with the pilot who knows more than you.

9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

It is possible, but unlikely other than perhaps a double bird strike.

 

I have not been following the story, so it is only my guess.

 

There are so many self proclaimed aviation experts on AN  nowadays, that I prefer to wait for the results by fully qualified accident investigators. It takes longer but is far more accurate.

It was good theory and he did not conclude anything. 

 

Speculation until they have gone through the black box data. 

 

There is indication by a few grey pixels, and sounds, but thats all by now. And if both engines went out, he do not speculate in the cause except fuel contamination, pilot error pulling the flaps when supposed to pull the landing gear up.

 

Really nothing to argue about.

 

My next flight is a Dreamliner 🧐

I'd trust Captain Steve a lot more if he was a 787 pilot.. There is a fundamental difference between 787 and any other commercial aircraft: its no bleed architecture.

 

This is why the invoked dual "engine failure" needs more explanation, what looks to some like a gross pilot error could also be a systems fault...

 

Sadly, this would b crashed the be reminiscent to the Max crashes...

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Dual engine failure? Original footage showing the ram air turbine was deployed.

 

 

On the stopped video, it is obvious that the flaps were NOT deployed.

20 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You can see and hear that the RAT is deployed. From your comments it would seem you haven't bothered to watch the linked vids.

How would you HEAR the RAT from that distance away, over the sound of the engines, if they were both running of course.

4 minutes ago, Peter Crow said:

I'd trust Captain Steve a lot more if he was a 787 pilot.. There is a fundamental difference between 787 and any other commercial aircraft: its no bleed architecture.

 

This is why the invoked dual "engine failure" needs more explanation, what looks to some like a gross pilot error could also be a systems fault...

 

Sadly, this would b crashed the be reminiscent to the Max crashes...

The RAT was deployed either automatically or manually. This happened for a reason.

Just now, KannikaP said:

How would you HEAR the RAT from that distance away, over the sound of the engines, if they were both running of course.

Try watching the videos. It's audible.

If the RAT was deployed it pretty clearly tells you that something catastrophic happened to both engines.

 

I've seen a deployed RAT, not because of a failure, but an accidental deployment by an American Airlines pilot.

 

Formidable piece of metal, and it's all spring loaded upon deployment.

 

That boy was in a whole world of hurt with the FAA

 

So if there wasn't any evidence of birds, contaminated fuel?

 

I guess we just wait for the flight data recorders

3 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

On the stopped video, it is obvious that the flaps were NOT deployed.

Again I say try watching the videos. Flaps set a 5 you're not going to see. This is explained.

13 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Try watching the videos. It's audible.

Again, the verification of the video needs to be done as well.

 

Could be a tricky dirt package from ? 

 

Russia, China, ? You cant trust anything today.