Rumbling in the Swamp: Quiet Talks Begin to Launch a Viable Third Party in U.S. Politics

 

Behind closed doors in Washington, a quiet rebellion is brewing as prominent political figures from both the Republican and Democratic parties engage in secret discussions about forming a third major political party, according to revelations from The Swamp newsletter. Driven by frustration with the state of their respective parties, a mix of disillusioned Republicans and centrist Democrats are reportedly seeking to reshape the American political landscape.

 

At the heart of this emerging effort is a sense of alienation among Republicans who feel their party has been hijacked by Donald Trump and Democrats increasingly at odds with the progressive wing. “The Republican Party, as many of us know it, no longer exists,” said one unnamed source with direct knowledge of the discussions. “We do not recognize ourselves anymore in Trump’s administration. There is a strong movement out there in the party to reclaim the values we were raised on and reclaim the middle ground.”

 

Talks are still in their early stages, but The Swamp reports that some "serious" and nationally recognized names are already involved. While not all have committed to formally breaking away from the traditional two-party system, insiders believe the momentum is growing. “If agreement can be reached,” a source said, “they believe it could transform the face of U.S. politics.”

 

The idea of a viable third party is not new, but this time the drive seems to have deeper roots and stronger resolve. Gallup polls have shown for over two decades that a majority of Americans believe the Republican and Democratic parties do “such a poor job” representing the people that a third party is needed. Nevertheless, institutional barriers, especially the control the two major parties have over redistricting, remain a significant hurdle.

 

Fueling this unrest on the Democratic side is the recent political earthquake in New York, where progressive candidate Zohran Mamdani soundly defeated former Governor Andrew Cuomo in the Democratic mayoral primary. Although the cross-party talks reportedly began before this upset, the result has intensified some Democrats' determination to explore new political options.

 

 

Meanwhile, on the Republican side, Trump's threats to primary any lawmaker who defies him continue to breed resentment among moderates. The fear of being “Trumped” into submission has left many feeling cornered and eager for a new direction. “There’s a hunger for an alternative that’s not just anti-Trump, but genuinely representative of moderate, common-sense values,” another source suggested.

 

Into this complex mix entered Elon Musk, reigniting speculation about his potential entry into politics. The billionaire tech mogul threatened once again to launch his own "America Party" after Trump’s controversial “big, beautiful bill” passed the Senate thanks to a tie-breaking vote by JD Vance.

 

While Musk’s involvement added a dramatic twist, The Swamp reports that he has been excluded from the more serious third-party negotiations. According to insiders, his antics have “enraged most of Washington” and made him an unwelcome participant in the budding coalition.

 

While no formal announcement is expected soon, and the group remains unnamed, those close to the effort remain cautiously optimistic. As one Democratic insider confirmed, “There have been some cross-party discussions.” Whether those talks will ultimately lead to a historic political realignment or fade into the background remains to be seen. But for now, something is stirring in the political shadows of Washington.

 

  Adapted by ASEAN Now from Daily Beast  2025-07-04

 

 

Good idea 🙂

 

Do it .

And then wipe out this bastard in White House.

3rd parties have never worked - if a 3rd party is created it is highly unlikely to garner support across the political spectrum.  Lets say Elon starts his America Party, it won't get much support from the Democrats (they don't like him) and likely split the Republican voter base guaranteeing a Democrat victory in the elections.

 

Better to work within the system and take influence/control of either existing party starting at the grass roots level.

2 hours ago, expat_4_life said:

3rd parties have never worked - if a 3rd party is created it is highly unlikely to garner support across the political spectrum.  Lets say Elon starts his America Party, it won't get much support from the Democrats (they don't like him) and likely split the Republican voter base guaranteeing a Democrat victory in the elections.

 

Better to work within the system and take influence/control of either existing party starting at the grass roots level.

Doesn't mean they won't work in the future.  Although unelected at a national level, in the UK the Reform Party did very well in recent local elections.  Remains to be seen if they'll get in at a national level of course, but the latest polling looks interesting.

 

Might it be matched in the USA?  I tend to agree with you, but having a decent leader might make things a bit closer, Elon is an extremely long way for being suitable.

2 hours ago, expat_4_life said:

3rd parties have never worked - if a 3rd party is created it is highly unlikely to garner support across the political spectrum.  Lets say Elon starts his America Party, it won't get much support from the Democrats (they don't like him) and likely split the Republican voter base guaranteeing a Democrat victory in the elections.

 

Better to work within the system and take influence/control of either existing party starting at the grass roots level.

Yeah, and they said horseless carriages would never replace horses. It is necessary for a true democracy (the two party system has failed miserably!). Whether it's now or in the future - only time will tell.

The timing couldn't be better. The Democrats are too woke and the Republicans are too Trump. Having some commonsense middle path option could be attractive to many who are sick of the extremists - on both sides - pulling the country apart. 

7 hours ago, expat_4_life said:

3rd parties have never worked - if a 3rd party is created it is highly unlikely to garner support across the political spectrum.  Lets say Elon starts his America Party, it won't get much support from the Democrats (they don't like him) and likely split the Republican voter base guaranteeing a Democrat victory in the elections.

 

Better to work within the system and take influence/control of either existing party starting at the grass roots level.

What a third party did in 1992 was to have Clinton elected with 40% of the vote. A third party this time could well lead to a Republican victory, because the radical Trump faction is around 35% of the electorate, and there will not be that many Republican office holders defecting to a third party.

5 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

they said horseless carriages would never replace horses. It is necessary for a true democracy

G'day, Chief Bird Head. What makes you think analogies are a form of argument?  What are you smoking in your peace pipe?

 

They said the light bulb would never replace lanterns and candles

They said the internet would never replace newspapers
They said EVs would never replace ICE vehicles

Herp Derp, a 3rd party is necessary for "true democracy"

2 minutes ago, expat_4_life said:

G'day, Chief Bird Head. What makes you think analogies are a form of argument?  What are you smoking in your peace pipe?

 

They said the light bulb would never replace lanterns and candles

They said the internet would never replace newspapers
They said EVs would never replace ICE vehicles

Herp Derp, a 3rd party is necessary for "true democracy"

What the HELL have you been smoking?

Doesn't matter, welcome to the land of "ignore list." Buh bye.

I think a 3rd (new) party is really the only option at this point.  The lefty Democratics are nothing more than a dumpster fire now.  They pushed agendas that very few people could stomach and all they're silly tactics are backfiring.  Hopefully if, if a new party emerges, it will have some common sense, which the current Democratic party seems to have little or none of.

Libertarian is the only viable option. Back to the basics

On 7/4/2025 at 3:17 PM, Caldera said:

The timing couldn't be better. The Democrats are too woke and the Republicans are too Trump. Having some commonsense middle path option could be attractive to many who are sick of the extremists - on both sides - pulling the country apart. 

I just wonder who those middle path people are and whom they voted for? Or did they just not bother to vote and are waiting for US politicians to self destroy?

On 7/4/2025 at 7:16 PM, kimothai said:

I think a 3rd (new) party is really the only option at this point.  The lefty Democratics are nothing more than a dumpster fire now.  They pushed agendas that very few people could stomach and all they're silly tactics are backfiring.  Hopefully if, if a new party emerges, it will have some common sense, which the current Democratic party seems to have little or none of.

The conservatives have done nothing wrong?

Elon has started a poll to see how much support he can gather, he has more money to spend than any one else.

Of course he is not worried about the American people but he is worried about losing his grants and subsidies.

Let the games begin!

1 hour ago, jvs said:

Elon has started a poll to see how much support he can gather, he has more money to spend than any one else.

Of course he is not worried about the American people but he is worried about losing his grants and subsidies.

Let the games begin!

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dn04lvgpdo

Musk announces arrival of new ‘America Party’ after Trump split (yahoo.com)

 

But the ones that will follow him will face the wrath of Khan Trump.

 

Massie might join.

 

If it gets even a small number in the house in 2027, Trump will have to ask everything to Musk

for his last 2 years or he will not get the votes. 👍

Checkmate MF'er. 

When you start messing and digging in a swamp you never really know what is going to come to the surface.

Skeletons and old rotten tree stumps come to mind,the stench will be telling also.

The problem will be there will be some much blaming other people and parties that really governing the country will

be placed on the back burner and there is already enough of that.

My idea is that somehow the peace will be restored because there is too much to hide and riches are at stake.

Big egos working together has never been productive in the end.

Elon's pet issues are endless H1Bs, slashing Social Security and Medicare, and placating China. Any Elon Party is DOA.

1 minute ago, John Drake said:

Elon's pet issues are endless H1Bs, slashing Social Security and Medicare, and placating China. Any Elon Party is DOA.

Wait, what? I thought CNN said that Trump has already eliminated Social Security and Medicare, no? 

Maybe Elon should just reform the Democrat party. They are flat on their backs.

7 minutes ago, timendres said:

Maybe Elon should just reform the Democrat party. They are flat on their backs.

I think most are on their knees anymore. 

Oh, they have tried this before it will never work.

Salivating the blue wall midterms outcome that will stonewall a lot of Trump’s plans. If Elon’s party can take some of the Republicans seats and gets a majority with the Democrats, may see impeachment of Trump and oversights of his corruption cases. It will be liberation day. 

 

On 7/4/2025 at 9:16 AM, expat_4_life said:

3rd parties have never worked - if a 3rd party is created it is highly unlikely to garner support across the political spectrum.  Lets say Elon starts his America Party, it won't get much support from the Democrats (they don't like him) and likely split the Republican voter base guaranteeing a Democrat victory in the elections.

 

Better to work within the system and take influence/control of either existing party starting at the grass roots level.

Multiple party systems work in loads of countries.

The maga party is ruling on a thin margin.

A third party won't be viable but if done cleverly they can be a power broker to spoil either of the two major parties.

The democrats are in rebuild mode so I reckon the maga party is more worried about that than the democrats.

10 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Multiple party systems work in loads of countries.

Theoretically they could work in the US but haven't in recent history. There is nothing in the US constitution about a two party system. It's something that developed.

 

Another reason that the two party system tends to make more sense in the US system. The US doesn't have a parliamentary system. Parties can't formally merge in the US congress.

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Wait, what? I thought CNN said that Trump has already eliminated Social Security and Medicare, no? 

No. I think it's very likely that all the pearl clutching has damaged your reading comprehension. Take care, buddy!

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The maga party is ruling on a thin margin.

A third party won't be viable but if done cleverly they can be a power broker to spoil either of the two major parties.

The democrats are in rebuild mode so I reckon the maga party is more worried about that than the democrats.

I doubt very much MAGA is worried about Musk.

I would consider any party that vigorously opposes the murderous Socialist agenda. But, the problem is tactical ideological rigidity.