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Rumbling in the Swamp: Quiet Talks Begin to Launch a Viable Third Party in U.S. Politics


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3rd parties have never worked - if a 3rd party is created it is highly unlikely to garner support across the political spectrum.  Lets say Elon starts his America Party, it won't get much support from the Democrats (they don't like him) and likely split the Republican voter base guaranteeing a Democrat victory in the elections.

 

Better to work within the system and take influence/control of either existing party starting at the grass roots level.

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2 hours ago, expat_4_life said:

3rd parties have never worked - if a 3rd party is created it is highly unlikely to garner support across the political spectrum.  Lets say Elon starts his America Party, it won't get much support from the Democrats (they don't like him) and likely split the Republican voter base guaranteeing a Democrat victory in the elections.

 

Better to work within the system and take influence/control of either existing party starting at the grass roots level.

Doesn't mean they won't work in the future.  Although unelected at a national level, in the UK the Reform Party did very well in recent local elections.  Remains to be seen if they'll get in at a national level of course, but the latest polling looks interesting.

 

Might it be matched in the USA?  I tend to agree with you, but having a decent leader might make things a bit closer, Elon is an extremely long way for being suitable.

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7 hours ago, expat_4_life said:

3rd parties have never worked - if a 3rd party is created it is highly unlikely to garner support across the political spectrum.  Lets say Elon starts his America Party, it won't get much support from the Democrats (they don't like him) and likely split the Republican voter base guaranteeing a Democrat victory in the elections.

 

Better to work within the system and take influence/control of either existing party starting at the grass roots level.

What a third party did in 1992 was to have Clinton elected with 40% of the vote. A third party this time could well lead to a Republican victory, because the radical Trump faction is around 35% of the electorate, and there will not be that many Republican office holders defecting to a third party.

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5 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

they said horseless carriages would never replace horses. It is necessary for a true democracy

G'day, Chief Bird Head. What makes you think analogies are a form of argument?  What are you smoking in your peace pipe?

 

They said the light bulb would never replace lanterns and candles

They said the internet would never replace newspapers
They said EVs would never replace ICE vehicles

Herp Derp, a 3rd party is necessary for "true democracy"

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2 minutes ago, expat_4_life said:

G'day, Chief Bird Head. What makes you think analogies are a form of argument?  What are you smoking in your peace pipe?

 

They said the light bulb would never replace lanterns and candles

They said the internet would never replace newspapers
They said EVs would never replace ICE vehicles

Herp Derp, a 3rd party is necessary for "true democracy"

What the HELL have you been smoking?

Doesn't matter, welcome to the land of "ignore list." Buh bye.

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I think a 3rd (new) party is really the only option at this point.  The lefty Democratics are nothing more than a dumpster fire now.  They pushed agendas that very few people could stomach and all they're silly tactics are backfiring.  Hopefully if, if a new party emerges, it will have some common sense, which the current Democratic party seems to have little or none of.

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On 7/4/2025 at 3:17 PM, Caldera said:

The timing couldn't be better. The Democrats are too woke and the Republicans are too Trump. Having some commonsense middle path option could be attractive to many who are sick of the extremists - on both sides - pulling the country apart. 

I just wonder who those middle path people are and whom they voted for? Or did they just not bother to vote and are waiting for US politicians to self destroy?

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On 7/4/2025 at 7:16 PM, kimothai said:

I think a 3rd (new) party is really the only option at this point.  The lefty Democratics are nothing more than a dumpster fire now.  They pushed agendas that very few people could stomach and all they're silly tactics are backfiring.  Hopefully if, if a new party emerges, it will have some common sense, which the current Democratic party seems to have little or none of.

The conservatives have done nothing wrong?

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Elon has started a poll to see how much support he can gather, he has more money to spend than any one else.

Of course he is not worried about the American people but he is worried about losing his grants and subsidies.

Let the games begin!

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When you start messing and digging in a swamp you never really know what is going to come to the surface.

Skeletons and old rotten tree stumps come to mind,the stench will be telling also.

The problem will be there will be some much blaming other people and parties that really governing the country will

be placed on the back burner and there is already enough of that.

My idea is that somehow the peace will be restored because there is too much to hide and riches are at stake.

Big egos working together has never been productive in the end.

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Elon's pet issues are endless H1Bs, slashing Social Security and Medicare, and placating China. Any Elon Party is DOA.

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1 minute ago, John Drake said:

Elon's pet issues are endless H1Bs, slashing Social Security and Medicare, and placating China. Any Elon Party is DOA.

Wait, what? I thought CNN said that Trump has already eliminated Social Security and Medicare, no? 

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7 minutes ago, timendres said:

Maybe Elon should just reform the Democrat party. They are flat on their backs.

I think most are on their knees anymore. 

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The maga party is ruling on a thin margin.

A third party won't be viable but if done cleverly they can be a power broker to spoil either of the two major parties.

The democrats are in rebuild mode so I reckon the maga party is more worried about that than the democrats.

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10 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Multiple party systems work in loads of countries.

Theoretically they could work in the US but haven't in recent history. There is nothing in the US constitution about a two party system. It's something that developed.

 

Another reason that the two party system tends to make more sense in the US system. The US doesn't have a parliamentary system. Parties can't formally merge in the US congress.

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4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Wait, what? I thought CNN said that Trump has already eliminated Social Security and Medicare, no? 

No. I think it's very likely that all the pearl clutching has damaged your reading comprehension. Take care, buddy!

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11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The maga party is ruling on a thin margin.

A third party won't be viable but if done cleverly they can be a power broker to spoil either of the two major parties.

The democrats are in rebuild mode so I reckon the maga party is more worried about that than the democrats.

I doubt very much MAGA is worried about Musk.

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I would consider any party that vigorously opposes the murderous Socialist agenda. But, the problem is tactical ideological rigidity. 

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