3 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

https://www.toyota.com/electrified-vehicles/

Toyota know what they are doing and have been at it for a long long time.

Best selling car of all time? Toyota Corolla.  First mass selling EV car - Prius. 

Looked at the top 20 of all time - no Chinese car there - not one.

Toyota have 6 new EV models coming out next year - want an EV - buy one of those.

Or buy a Honda EV model (they are specialising in Hybrid EVs).

 

VS buying from CN, that have a few more years of experience  putting out EVs.  And, the wheels don't fall of, like on Toyota 

 

Where do you think Toyota gets their batteries from ??? 

 

Don't buy a BYD, buy  Toyota with BYD parts ...

 

12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I think you're a bit confused, 

https://www.aichelin.at/en/products/topics/lfp-vs-nmc-battery

 

LifePo4 3.15V cells relatively safe.

"Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries, often referred to as LiFePO4 batteries, are a type of lithium-ion battery that utilizes lithium iron phosphate as the cathode material. LFP batteries are known for their stability and safety due to their robust chemical structure."

 

NMC 3.65V cells are the 'burny' ones.

"Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC) batteries belong to the family of lithium-ion batteries and are widely used in various portable electronics and electric vehicles. They are known for their high energy density, which allows for a compact and efficient energy storage solution."

I think you are confused as you quoted a Lithium Ion Phosphate battery.

 I am quite aware of the difference between LFP and Li-ion.

 

Anyway, if the manual states Lithium Iron Phosphate ( LFP ) but the Neta Website states Lithium Ion ( Li-ion ) who is confusing matters ?

 

Which is really quite a shame as at one time I was contemplating buying a medium sized SUV HEV ( Haval Jolion ) for the longer trips and a small EV ( Neta V ) for around town and daily stuff.

The battery chemistry was one of the deciding factors in my decision not to buy the Neta.

27 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

VS buying from CN, that have a few more years of experience  putting out EVs.  And, the wheels don't fall of, like on Toyota 

 

Where do you think Toyota gets their batteries from ??? 

 

Don't buy a BYD, buy  Toyota with BYD parts ...

 

BYD make batteries - cheaply and well - to Japanese car manufacturer's specs.

But they dont make cars to those specs or know how to develop the specs.

They are very 'early days' at making cars - if they are still here in Thailand in 5-10 years then they will be viable.

 

31 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

To be fair, China haven't been producing hi tech for that long (15ish years).

Japan have been at it from the 1970s.

TCL TVs kick the poop out of all the Japanese TVs.

Agreed - but the best TVs are LGs and Samsungs.

They are too expensive to make and develop in Japan - and they failed at making them elsewhere.

Cars are not the same thing - a lot more.

6 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

BYD make batteries - cheaply and well - to Japanese car manufacturer's specs.

But they dont make cars to those specs or know how to develop the specs.

They are very 'early days' at making cars - if they are still here in Thailand in 5-10 years then they will be viable.

Didn't think you could sound any more foolish ... I was wrong.

 

Troll on ... BYE BYE

 

Not building up to JP specs ... that's a good thing 

 

... "Toyota did recall some of its bZ4X electric vehicles due to a potential issue with the wheels potentially falling off." ...

4 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

I think EVs are fantastic for daily urban driving for owners who can charge at home. Also very good for journeys to/from home of total say 300 km: in my case, Bangkok-Jomtien-Bangkok. I can do that at 120 kmh starting with a full battery and still have around 50 km range left.

 

If you have a home charger and then buy a tyre inflator you never need to visit a petrol station again. Keeping tyres properly inflated is particularly sensible for EVs because they are heavier than equivalent size ICE vehicles.

 

By all means buy new if re-sale isn't important. Insurance will also be more expensive than for an ICE car and may not cover 100% of battery replacement cost, the most expensive part of an EV.

 

I've had a BYD Atto since January 2023. Been very reliable (although the cruise control sucks and I hate having a/c controlled through a touch screen). It's well built. It's also had two pretty hard hits (rear ended on expressway + driven into a concrete post); neither damaged battery. However it took a while to get some parts from China.

 

EVs are not as convenient as ICE when it comes to short notice longer distance journeys. And I do think that good as the DC charging set up is at PTT and other filling stations, it's a pain to have to spend up to an hour charging your car. Of course you can sit in it with the a/c on while you do, and you can also sit in the car with the a/c on anywhere and not feel any guilt about having an engine idling away.

 

When the Atto first came out you couldn't turn off, permanently, all of the 'safety features' like auto braking and lane keeping. Now you can, which is a blessing. Presumably Sealion is the same (or maybe you don't mind that stuff).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for all that useful info. A tyre inflator is definitively something I'll have a look at. Hopefully it doesn't come with lots of safety features that can't be switched off. I'm not a fan of those, especially the noisy variety.

I did look at the spec of the Sealion 7 and the manufacturer claims you can charge from 20 to 80% in 25 minutes at an EV charging station. I'd rather not spend an hour waiting for it to charge. 

Having said that I don't see me needing to go farther than the 450-500 km I supposedly can get when fully charged anyway.

12 minutes ago, Nacho Libre said:

Thanks for all that useful info. A tyre inflator is definitively something I'll have a look at. Hopefully it doesn't come with lots of safety features that can't be switched off. I'm not a fan of those, especially the noisy variety.

I did look at the spec of the Sealion 7 and the manufacturer claims you can charge from 20 to 80% in 25 minutes at an EV charging station. I'd rather not spend an hour waiting for it to charge. 

Having said that I don't see me needing to go farther than the 450-500 km I supposedly can get when fully charged anyway.

Do take a look at the tyre pressures of the EV you are thinking of buying as many of those tyre pumps on Lazada don’t go above 35 psi. My Seal is 36 front and 42 rear, not sure about Sealion 7.

I did find a great tyre inflator but it was around 600 baht and is one of the noisy ones !! The gas stations around me are terrible for tyre inflators ( broken, low pressure, non existent ).

 

I was like yourself in that I didn’t fancy having to stop and charge when doing our frequent 450 km ( 200 km there , up to 50 km running around, 200 back ) round trip so for me the longest range the better.

So i didn’t buy the EV that i first wanted due to it’s range and instead bought a Seal Premium which gives me 520 km easily and is ideal for my needs.

 

I have removed duplicate posts, that has been posted multiple times.

@TroubleandGrumpy

 

 

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I really do think the price war is just about over.   Anything new, will be bigger battery and or faster charging.  Or more silly bells & whistles people just don't need.

 

BEV are already cheaper and perform better than entry level, 'made in TH' ICEV, and hybrids come in at the same price as import ICEV.  

 

Any more of a price war is simply cutting each other's throat.  Less than 600k THB for good transport is a silly low price.   There's even a nice BEV truck for <900k THB.

I've scoured the internet lately for info on EVs and just saw this article on the issue of the price wars:

 

https://apnews.com/article/china-ev-price-war-byd-fa5272aee5e75e78d0e39f09ca4c0170

 

Also just found this one regarding BYD's upcoming superchargers, and also mention of upcoming models:

 

https://apnews.com/article/china-ev-price-war-byd-fa5272aee5e75e78d0e39f09ca4c0170

 

 

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

that must be the reason there are so few convertibles in thailand? 

 

My current car's got a sunroof. That's another feature that's not very practical in Thailand.

21 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Build quality on Tesla's these days is pretty poor, the interiors and exteriors seem to get uglier and cheaper looking each year, while China continues to improve their design. In addition at this point in time it's kind of fun to support China over the US. And I say that as an American who never thought he would be saying such a thing. I too hate the CCP. But, less than I hate the Trump administration. Some forces in the world are so dark and so repellent, that it just drives the planet in another direction. 

Yeah, Teslas were great until Musk dissented. 

21 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Let's go China! 

Nice

On 7/3/2025 at 5:12 PM, Nacho Libre said:

So I'm thinking of buying a new car and I'm considering buying an EV this time, but hestitate due to the minimal EV infrastructure here in Thailand. 

I see the BYD cars every time I venture out these days and have read that they've surpassed Tesla as the most sold EV in Europe so I guess the quality should be reasonable. Does anyone have any tips regarding this brand and/or EVs in Thailand in general?

 

I currently own 2 BYDs, the Seal AWD and a BYD M6 Extended. I owned an MG PHEV before and would not recommend a PHEV over an EV now. I have driven both Sealion 7s and strongly recommend them.

 

I do all my charging at home from solar unless I am on a trip over 600km. My round trip to BKK is 900km and I charge my seal twice for 20 minutes, once on the way down and once on the way back. I always choose a BYD dealership as you can see on the BYD app how many chargers are free. They have "Plug and Charge" - you plug in your BYD and it's recognised and starts charging immediately. You have 24 hrs. to settle your account. You can use the customer lounge and get a free coffee while you wait.

 

BYD does sell more EVs than Tesla.

 

 

I hope you have been able to ignore all the bar-stool "experts" that have never driven an EV in their life.

 

 

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Gotta say I'm a bit wary charging at the house, maybe in the road with a long extension lead, but I've seen those videos of cars burning a house down. And my Neta has a LifePo battery.

LifePo batteries are safe.

 

 

2 hours ago, Nacho Libre said:

I've scoured the internet lately for info on EVs and just saw this article on the issue of the price wars:..... Also just found this one regarding BYD's upcoming superchargers, and also mention of upcoming models:

See it's the competition (GWM) crying about BYD's price cuts.  No surprise, as really hard to compete if you have to buy the batteries from BYD or CATL.

 

The supercharger thingy is nice, if you are O&A quite a bit, and there is a supercharging network in your country.   So useless in TH.

 

Our car now is probably considered low tech & obsolete 

 

Only a 50 kWh battery and no lifetime warranty.  What a POS.

Still more car than we need or use.... and ... still LOVIN' IT ❤️

 

3 hours ago, Nacho Libre said:

I've scoured the internet lately for info on EVs and just saw this article on the issue of the price wars:

 

https://apnews.com/article/china-ev-price-war-byd-fa5272aee5e75e78d0e39f09ca4c0170

 

Also just found this one regarding BYD's upcoming superchargers, and also mention of upcoming models:

 

https://apnews.com/article/china-ev-price-war-byd-fa5272aee5e75e78d0e39f09ca4c0170

 

 

If you are not in hurry to buy an EV I would wait till the next Bangkok Auto show in November, from my observations it's the best time to get promotions and price reductions.

 

If you go for the Sea Lion 7 it is definitely a very good Car, a good friend has one and he is absolutely satisfied with.

3 hours ago, Nacho Libre said:

I've scoured the internet lately for info on EVs and just saw this article on the issue of the price wars:

 

https://apnews.com/article/china-ev-price-war-byd-fa5272aee5e75e78d0e39f09ca4c0170

 

Also just found this one regarding BYD's upcoming superchargers, and also mention of upcoming models:

 

https://apnews.com/article/china-ev-price-war-byd-fa5272aee5e75e78d0e39f09ca4c0170

 

 

I think you will find that the EV price war in Thailand will continue for the rest of this year for certain segments of the EV market

For EV built in Thailand if the local content is more than 40% they can export a % of the vehicles they build

If the local content is less than 40% those vehicles can only be sold in Thailand

In April this year 660 EV's were exported none were exported prior to April

We know one brand is required to build  15,000 EV in 2025 under EV 3.0 of face large fines which the brands are stating fines of between B500k-B600k per vehicle

https://autolifethailand.tv/chinese-embassy-ev-price-war/

At the moment Byd  has a vehicle in the majority of each segment which the execption of the below B490K segment

It is rumored that Byd will launch small car model seagull at the end of this year with a rumored price tag of B300k

7 hours ago, Nacho Libre said:

Thanks for all that useful info. A tyre inflator is definitively something I'll have a look at. Hopefully it doesn't come with lots of safety features that can't be switched off. I'm not a fan of those, especially the noisy variety.

I did look at the spec of the Sealion 7 and the manufacturer claims you can charge from 20 to 80% in 25 minutes at an EV charging station. I'd rather not spend an hour waiting for it to charge. 

Having said that I don't see me needing to go farther than the 450-500 km I supposedly can get when fully charged anyway.

 

I think the Atto claims 20-80% in something like 30 minutes. That's probably not far off real life.

 

The max rate the Atto will charge at is just under 90 kW/h. I don't know about Sealion. But thing to bear in mind is that it doesn't really matter at the moment, in Thailand, what your max charge rate is because at a typical PTT station the chargers run I think at 150 kW max output. They can charge two cars at the same time ... but the total capacity is 150 so you often end up with much less as it's split between the two cars.

 

DC fast charging is also not supposed to be great for battery longevity if it's the way you intend to charge on a regular basis (as opposed to home AC).

 

Range is very variable: basically the faster you go, the quicker the battery drains. If I go to Jomtien at 100 kmh it's much better for range than going at 120 kmh. Atto is supposed to be 480 km and I think that's quite possible with car in Eco mode and driving at 80-90 kmh and avoiding any heavy acceleration. But that's really tedious and one of the pleasures of EVs is instant torque. The Atto is supposed to do 0-100 kmh in about 7 seconds; it will do it in nearer 6.5. In the 1980s that was hot hatch performance.

 

Of course it's a lardy SUV so its general handling can politely be described as cumbersome. But for overtaking that torque is very handy. 

 

Tyre inflator - I have a heavy duty Makita one, but in part because the battery can be used with other Makita power tools. Wasn't very expensive - i think 1500 baht or something like that. 

8 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

BYD make batteries - cheaply and well - to Japanese car manufacturer's specs.

But they dont make cars to those specs or know how to develop the specs.

They are very 'early days' at making cars - if they are still here in Thailand in 5-10 years then they will be viable.

 

Actually BYD has been making vehicles for 10+ years (buses and cars). One of the reasons i went for BYD is because they produced the EV taxis that came into service at Suvarnabhumi around 10 years ago - and were going strong for many years, and which I took from time to time.

Like most of this thread, slightly off topic.

How to break an MG4 in 2 years and 170,000 clicks...

 

 

 

 

22 hours ago, Captain Flack said:

I have removed duplicate posts, that has been posted multiple times.

@TroubleandGrumpy

Thanks - something went wrong with my laptop. Still fixing it. 

21 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

I currently own 2 BYDs, the Seal AWD and a BYD M6 Extended. I owned an MG PHEV before and would not recommend a PHEV over an EV now. I have driven both Sealion 7s and strongly recommend them.

 

I do all my charging at home from solar unless I am on a trip over 600km. My round trip to BKK is 900km and I charge my seal twice for 20 minutes, once on the way down and once on the way back. I always choose a BYD dealership as you can see on the BYD app how many chargers are free. They have "Plug and Charge" - you plug in your BYD and it's recognised and starts charging immediately. You have 24 hrs. to settle your account. You can use the customer lounge and get a free coffee while you wait.

 

BYD does sell more EVs than Tesla.

 

 

I hope you have been able to ignore all the bar-stool "experts" that have never driven an EV in their life.

I have driven a Tesla - a mate owned one and it was a great drive - BUT that is not why I do not recommend EVs. 

 

But first - how many of those 600K BYDs have sold outside China - 50K 60K ?? You know - where consumer laws and recalls and safety  regulations are a big issue - and which have sent previous Chinese packing. Plus remember this - China made it compulsory for all new cars to be EVs from 2030 so the manufacturers had no choice - much like California is trying to do - just like all Socialist Communist States where 'centralised' decisions are made.

 

I knew a bloke that owned a taxi in Australia - it was an EV car from China. One day the car stopped and refused to move - he got it towed to his house. The mechanics came but could not solve the problem - battery OS all good etc - but it refused to move.  The dealer took the car away and a few days later said it was 'fixed' - a sensor on the rear left side door had failed and the 'car' thought the back door was open. Obviously caused by passengers getting in and out of the taxi.  Long story short - the dealer was not helpful - and in the end he got some money back and bought a Toyota hybrid - the car I was in while he talked.  His 'story' included all the other problems about EV cars from other drivers and owners - and there were heaps - way too many.  His advice was this - when taxis are EV cars - then is the time to buy an EV. 

 

Right now there are a few P/HEV taxis in the west - but SFA EV taxis - mainly Teslas. I reckon in maybe 10 years EVs might become mainstream - not by Government mandates like in China - but by being able to work in a 'real' environment, where bad cars and brands are destroyed because of consumer opinions and complaints (not like in China).  That is why I say if you really want an EV then buy a Tesla - or buy a Toyota if you must (they have 6 new models coming in 2026) - but for me the best EV option right now is a Honda or Toyota Hybrid. 

15 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

Actually BYD has been making vehicles for 10+ years (buses and cars). One of the reasons i went for BYD is because they produced the EV taxis that came into service at Suvarnabhumi around 10 years ago - and were going strong for many years, and which I took from time to time.

I hear you BUT after a while the cheap EVs have problems - for the first year or two many of them work fine - but some fail and more do so over time (they dont pick you up in a failed ones mate).  Check out all the negative Facebook stories about failed and problem MG EVs in Thailand over the last few years.  You wont see much in the 'mainstream media' because the Govt heavily subsidised those EVs as a PR stunt to show they are 'eco friendly' and to meet their 'climate change' CO2 targets. 

 

I cannot say that BYD are better or worse, but I would think they are better than an MG EV. As I have said - and will say again - EVs are not 'proven' yet and until they are I am not going to risk wasting a large amount of money on buying a problem in Thailand.  Plus the insurance is much higher, and the resale value is much lower. One big positive thing - the service costs are extremely low - unless the battery fails and then the service costs are huge.  In appears to me that BYD have very good battery technology - the issue is whether they have the software systems to make their batteries work well and over the long term (10+ years). 

 

I have two cars right now and one is a 2010 Honda CRV which has done 150K and goes very very well - although it needs new tyres.  If anything goes wrong when we are driving to Chiang Mai or Ubon or Phuket, I know there are service stations that can identify and fix things everywhere - even Mercedes has that in Thailand. Although it is 15 years old the engine works just fine - probably about 80-85% of what it was when new - I cannot say with any confidence at all that a 15 year old battery EV will have the same - the majority will have failed and been replaced by then.  EVs have a long way to go, and in Thailand it is even more imperative that a car is reliable and serviceable. Driving short distances around Bangkok - an EV is a viable option there - but out in the 'boondocks' - not a chance. If it has to be an EV then for me it would be a Honda/Toyota hybrid for me.           

On 7/5/2025 at 11:41 AM, KhunLA said:

Not sure if it's numbers of cars sold, or simply dependable, but the MG dealers we stop to charge at, the service bays are never full.   

 

With the one exception, Hua Hin, but the place is so small, I think only 2 lifts. 

 

Unlike when owning a Toyota or Mazda, and a Q to schedule a day in, this week or even next week.

toyota have a fast track service system used it in Pranburi, literally turn up and wait its within 2  hours. routine maintenance.

6 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

toyota have a fast track service system used it in Pranburi, literally turn up and wait its within 2  hours. routine maintenance.

Or make an appointment and it's no waiting and 30 minutes to service in Bangkok. Usually takes an hour by the time it's all said and done though. 

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

That is why I say if you really want an EV then buy a Tesla - or buy a Toyota if you must (they have 6 new models coming in 2026) - but for me the best EV option right now is a Honda or Toyota Hybrid. 

 

Buying a Tesla in Thailand is a really dumb idea. Buy a BYD for a fraction of the price. Most Thais agree with me just look at the sales figures

 

BYD has dealerships in almost every province. Tesla has only one

 

BYD has a factory building EVs in Thailand. Tesla doesn't - you have to import them from China.

 

BYD has a massive parts warehouse in Thailand. Tesla doesn't

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for Honda and Toyota, the equivalent cars to my BYD Seal AWD Performance  (0-100km/hr in 3.8 seconds) are far more expensive to buy and run and have much worse performance.

 

My Seal came with 8 years of completely free servicing (parts and labour) and most of the time I charge it from solar.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Buying a Tesla in Thailand is a really dumb idea. Buy a BYD for a fraction of the price. Most Thais agree with me just look at the sales figures

 

BYD has dealerships in almost every province. Tesla has only one

 

BYD has a factory building EVs in Thailand. Tesla doesn't - you have to import them from China.

 

BYD has a massive parts warehouse in Thailand. Tesla doesn't

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for Honda and Toyota, the equivalent cars to my BYD Seal AWD Performance  (0-100km/hr in 3.8 seconds) are far more expensive to buy and run and have much worse performance.

 

My Seal came with 8 years of completely free servicing (parts and labour) and most of the time I charge it from solar.

 

 

 

And the BYDs look just like the Tesla

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I have driven a Tesla - a mate owned one and it was a great drive - BUT that is not why I do not recommend EVs. 

 

But first - how many of those 600K BYDs have sold outside China - 50K 60K ?? You know - where consumer laws and recalls and safety  regulations are a big issue - and which have sent previous Chinese packing. 

BYD is outselling Tesla in Europe right now for the first time, and consumer laws and recalls and safety regulations are a big issue there.

33 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Buying a Tesla in Thailand is a really dumb idea. Buy a BYD for a fraction of the price. Most Thais agree with me just look at the sales figures

 

BYD has dealerships in almost every province. Tesla has only one

 

BYD has a factory building EVs in Thailand. Tesla doesn't - you have to import them from China.

 

BYD has a massive parts warehouse in Thailand. Tesla doesn't

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for Honda and Toyota, the equivalent cars to my BYD Seal AWD Performance  (0-100km/hr in 3.8 seconds) are far more expensive to buy and run and have much worse performance.

 

My Seal came with 8 years of completely free servicing (parts and labour) and most of the time I charge it from solar.

 

 

 

Putting aside the comparison based on new car marketing blurb and product specs - there is a BIG difference between a HEV and an EV. The EV is way cheaper to make, and HEVs are far more reliable than cheap EVs - Tesla is the only serious reliable high quality EV.  The others are catching up - but they have a long way to go. 

 

Why do you think Tesla is not as successful in Thailand as the others?  Obviously it is the price - not quality - or speed - or reliability.  But when it comes to owner's satisfaction Tesla is in front -

https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/business/automobile/40047638

 

Your sales figures are as big a scam as the whole cheap Chinese EV market - you/they only listed Tesla Model 3 - Tesla has the 4th highest EV sales in Thailand.  BYD, NETA, MG and then Tesla.  But lets see how many BYD, NETA and MG EVs are still running in 5 years and again in 10 years. Me thinks way more Teslas will be running - and they will be worth a lot more in resale value too. 

 

There has been a choice in Thailand with regards to EVs for a few years now - Tesla or cheap Chinese EV.  All of those are fully committed to (full) EVs because of 2 reasons. In China it is because the Govt mandated it, and in Tesla it is because they are committed to the EV.   But there is another viable and serious choice coming soon - Toyota and Honda will be offering alternatives - both as EVs but mainly as HEVs - because they know the market outside of Teslas and (when) the luxury brands get serious about EVs/HEVs, is Hybrids and will be for many years to come.

 

You are justifying your decision to own an EV - fair enough and up to you - but I am pointing out the reasons why most people are not buying EVs and those reasons are valid.  I am also saying why if I did decide to get an EV right now it would either be a Tesla or a Honda/Toyota Hybrid next year.  But I am going to stick with the ICE cars for a while and keep watching how things develop and pan out.

 

PS - my mate in Australia has some serious money (never divorced) and he has 2 Teslas - 1 for him and 1 for the wife. But when they go 'touring' for a month each year around Australia, he drives the Toyota ICE - because he knows that Teslas outside of the main cities and big highways are not viable.  He knows that the Toyota can be (and has been) fixed in many places that they go on their annual driving holiday - whereas the Tesla will need to be towed back to the nearest State capital city - and even then, up in NT they will probably never have heard of them 🙂

    

41 minutes ago, Nacho Libre said:

BYD is outselling Tesla in Europe right now for the first time, and consumer laws and recalls and safety regulations are a big issue there.

Not yet - it takes a few years. Call me back in 5 years and lets see the comparisons between BYDs sold in 2025-2030 and the Teslas. People buy on price - when quality and reliability is far more important is a car (and house). 

3 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Putting aside the comparison based on new car marketing blurb and product specs - there is a BIG difference between a HEV and an EV. The EV is way cheaper to make, and HEVs are far more reliable than cheap EVs - Tesla is the only serious reliable high quality EV.  The others are catching up - but they have a long way to go. 

 

    

Tesla 3 is the most non reliable Car in Germany as per TUEV Germany, not a sign of serious reliable high Quality.

 

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/tesla-model-3-comes-bottom-in-german-tuv-reliability-test-again/