8 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

It's a major issue of course. You're right that studies have proven that a girl who's had more than 7 previous partners is 50% more likely to divorce. Thus loyalty is proportional to how many guys she bent over for.

 

Whilst we should do all to find out the truth that can have mixed success. One of my girls I know had only me, as I personally deflowered her and she was a virgin.

 

The other one, told me first two guys. Then it came it out it was actually 6 guys. As a generally rule you should multiply by 3 whatever a woman tells you. Six or 7 is the norm, any less than that she's either a bona fide virgin or she's lying.

 

Women are not stupid, they know that men dislike women who have high body counts (as a general rule, 80 and 90 year old posters on Asean obviously can diverge from the norm due to desperate mating strategies), so most often women lie about their body count. Much like men lie about height.

 

 

Nonsense.    

 

 

7 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, but I'll be the one that got away. Have no idea of her body count but she's a cheater. 

This thread is full of you giving relationship advice and telling others that if only they had chosen better.  Your marriage was a disaster and your worst enemies probably shed a tear watching it unfold.  Definitely a sad story that unfolded over decades it seems.

 

It is hard not to feel bad for you but a little advice - refrain for discussing your wealth of wisdom when it comes to women.  

 

 

12 hours ago, connda said:

 discussing past sexual encounters injects too much tension into that marriage relationship. So I don't ask, and I don't tell.  It just doesn't matter.

That tension does suggest it does matter.

 

"Do you know your wife/girlfriends body count?" 

Wife - yes

Girlfriend - not sure

10 hours ago, atpeace said:

This thread is full of you giving relationship advice and telling others that if only they had chosen better.  Your marriage was a disaster and your worst enemies probably shed a tear watching it unfold.  Definitely a sad story that unfolded over decades it seems.

 

It is hard not to feel bad for you but a little advice - refrain for discussing your wealth of wisdom when it comes to women.  

 

 

You do realize that even many professional counselors and psychologists are divorced right? You learn from your mistakes. Another thing is that most marriages fail in some way, either by divorce or people staying that aren't happy.

 

Attraction is what has people getting together, but it's what hurts us because the people we choose aren't right for us, or vice-versa.

 

I've had many good relationships with women all my life that mostly ended because future plans didn't coincide. And a few didn't work out because they weren't honest, drunks, abusive or cheaters. Not reasons to continue.

 

Everyone who knows me, including my children, who were of course there, and two that were children of my ex wife, all told me their moms were the problem, that she did this to everyone she was with beforehand. Two of my daughters now, both adults, wanted to come here and kick my ex's ass, because they know how I was to their mother. My ex's mom here told my now girlfriend that her daughter was wrong, he treated her very well and she shouldn't have done what she did. Out of the horse's mouths . 

 

The ones I picked to have children with weren't good partners nor mothers, which is why I got custody.

 

That I know a lot about women comes from starting out a decent man who respects women, then learning how to communicate and listen better to them. I've always treated women very well, including my girlfriend now, but that's not near a guarantee they'll be good in the long run, as people go back to being themselves after the initial courtship. Look at all the advice I've ever given and you'll see that it's solid. That it's exactly what the counselors, psychologists and psychiatrists say. That should have you understand more.

 

A relationship that stays forever takes two like minded, stable people that have the same goals for the future. If they don't, it will end or they'll stay and be miserable.

 

If you treat a woman very well, don't cheat, abuse or neglect her, romance her, help with cleaning and cooking, listen attentively to her, be there when she needs you, provide for her and the children if any, and she leaves or causes problems, that's her deal. Many women are damaged goods from being with bad men, and they take that anger into all their future relationships and ruin things. There are many cases of men being taken advantage of by bad women, covert narcissists who's only agenda was to take. Do you treat your women well? Have they all been very good back to you? It isn't always men that are the bad ones.

24 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You do realize that even many professional counselors and psychologists are divorced right? You learn from your mistakes. Another thing is that most marriages fail in some way, either by divorce or people staying that aren't happy

Councillors/psychologists/therapists are as worthless as priests. Con artists that fix nothing, but take money from the lonely and the gullible.

15 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Councillors are as worthless as priests. Con artists that fix nothing, but take money from the lonely and the gullible.

Have you been to any? Did you take their advice? Did you realize what you did in the relationship that had you go to one? Who else do you go to if you have marriage problems you both can't fix? There's a reason they are counselors. Education on relationship matters. IF you take their advice and realize your part of the problem, the relationship gets better, and IF your wife does the same.

 

You've said many times your ex in the UK stopped giving you sex. There's many reasons this happens, the two main ones are she's damaged goods and didn't like sex anyway, likely from childhood trauma, or you didn't give her what she "needed", not wanted because that means little compared to the former.

 

I've never had any trouble getting sex from any women I've been with because I was good to them, and they were women who were mostly normal, with normal desires and givers. Even the loonies gave it all the time.

 

When you pay women for sex you'll get it, even if she finds you repulsive, as that's her job. Not a normal relationship and it doesn't require a counselor as it's only a business deal. She gets paid, you get laid. 

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

You do realize that even many professional counselors and psychologists are divorced right? You learn from your mistakes. Another thing is that most marriages fail in some way, either by divorce or people staying that aren't happy.

 

Attraction is what has people getting together, but it's what hurts us because the people we choose aren't right for us, or vice-versa.

 

I've had many good relationships with women all my life that mostly ended because future plans didn't coincide. And a few didn't work out because they weren't honest, drunks, abusive or cheaters. Not reasons to continue.

 

Everyone who knows me, including my children, who were of course there, and two that were children of my ex wife, all told me their moms were the problem, that she did this to everyone she was with beforehand. Two of my daughters now, both adults, wanted to come here and kick my ex's ass, because they know how I was to their mother. My ex's mom here told my now girlfriend that her daughter was wrong, he treated her very well and she shouldn't have done what she did. Out of the horse's mouths . 

 

The ones I picked to have children with weren't good partners nor mothers, which is why I got custody.

 

That I know a lot about women comes from starting out a decent man who respects women, then learning how to communicate and listen better to them. I've always treated women very well, including my girlfriend now, but that's not near a guarantee they'll be good in the long run, as people go back to being themselves after the initial courtship. Look at all the advice I've ever given and you'll see that it's solid. That it's exactly what the counselors, psychologists and psychiatrists say. That should have you understand more.

 

A relationship that stays forever takes two like minded, stable people that have the same goals for the future. If they don't, it will end or they'll stay and be miserable.

 

If you treat a woman very well, don't cheat, abuse or neglect her, romance her, help with cleaning and cooking, listen attentively to her, be there when she needs you, provide for her and the children if any, and she leaves or causes problems, that's her deal. Many women are damaged goods from being with bad men, and they take that anger into all their future relationships and ruin things. There are many cases of men being taken advantage of by bad women, covert narcissists who's only agenda was to take. Do you treat your women well? Have they all been very good back to you? It isn't always men that are the bad ones.

OK and best of luck with the kids.  I agree with little of the above as it relates to YOU but if it works in your mind, then have at it. 

 

I have a brother I'm "not" dealing with at the moment out of choice that has wrecked his marriage and his family with his a drug addiction and better than thou attitude.  He sounds much like you and blames his wife and fate. 

 

Sad really but nothing anyone wanting to help can do because some just don't get it.  Freddy, fix yourself and forget about the faults of others.  The problem is that it is very difficult and, some like yourself,  would rather blame everybody but themselves. 

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

two that were children of my ex wife, all told me their moms were the problem, that she did this to everyone she was with beforehand. Two of my daughters now, both adults, wanted to come here and kick my ex's ass, because they know how I was to their mother. My ex's mom here told my now girlfriend that her daughter was wrong, he treated her very well and she shouldn't have done what she did.

Sounds like a bad episode of Jerry Springer

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

Freddy, fix yourself and forget about the faults of others.  The problem is that it is very difficult and, some like yourself,  would rather blame everybody but themselves. 

Well said.

But I don’t think Fred will ever admit he is to blame. Narcissists always blame others, it is a trait.

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I've never had any trouble getting sex from any women I've been with because I was good to them,

To be frank Fred, the women you had were promiscuous.

we have already established that.

Why would anyone care about a partner's past sex life.   That's her or his private affair.  I don't want to know, and certainly wouldn't share my sexual exploits with a partner.   One less thing for them or me to think about.

 

Many wouldn't be with me, if knowing mine ...  

 

Since my married or live in partners have been as sexually exciting as myself  and why the relationships lasted more than a month, then they certainly weren't virgins (except first wife), and that's a good, fun thing 😎

 

My present wife was not a working gal, but if you think about, if you were 20 years old and could get paid to have sex ... I may have retired a lot earlier 

Do you know your wife/girlfriends body count?

YES

36-24-34⏳

3 minutes ago, Negita43 said:

Do you know your wife/girlfriends body count?

YES

36-24-34⏳

Yea baby.
When it comes to females,
Cosmo aint got nuthin´ to do with ma selection.
36-24-34.
Only is she has 5´ 3".

Just now, Ralf001 said:

Yea baby.
When it comes to females,
Cosmo aint got nuthin´ to do with ma selection.
36-24-34.
Only is she has 5´ 3"

Old schoolboy joke - Tall girls lie longer.

21 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

My present wife was not a working gal, but if you think about, if you were 20 years old and could get paid to have sex ... I may have retired a lot earlier 

Well you could have. 
 

But you would have been servicing men. You guns are popular in the gay PFA scene 

On 7/14/2025 at 11:04 AM, MalcolmB said:

They do if the mother was married to the father.

 

But for girls that get themselves pregnant out of wedlock then they are solely responsible for that child. 
It is to stop gold diggers I suppose. 
 

Remember what happened to Boris Becker.

That is not the norm in Thailand at all!

 

Yes i do know and i hope she had a great time with them. 

16 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Well you could have. 
 

But you would have been servicing men. You guns are popular in the gay PFA scene 

Hopefully society where I would be working, would be reversed, and woman paying men for sex, and not the current market.   Or I being born a woman, although, dealing with period for 30 some years doesn't sound like a fair trade off either.

 

Then again, it's only for a week.  Could you imaging going to a bar and never having to buy a drink, or ever paying for dinner, and they paid you for sex afterwards.  

19 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Atheists of a feather

I wonder why folks prone to superstition chose an “all-loving” skydaddy, such as the one in the Christian superstition.

 

Earthquakes, tsunamis, childhood cancer, etc. do not exactly suggest “all-loving” to rational people, nor do rational people accept such silly explanations as “Master Plan” or “works in mysterious ways”.

 

If the ancients had anything going for them, it is that they manufactured deities more attune to what happened in their lives. Their skydaddies were kind of nasty vindictive sadists. Some even demanded human sacrifice. From Greek and Roman gods to the deities of Mayans and Aztecs, all of their gods did things that said more about “control”, even sadism, than “love”.

 

The ancients seemed to know that if there was a creator or creators, such beings kind of reveled in doing harm to their little creatures. It’s almost understandable how humans, who saw natural disasters in a world supposedly under the control of an omnipotent being, thought causing pain and sacrificing their fellows might appease an entity that seemed to enjoy pain and suffering of others so much.

 

Later religions developed some bizarre notions. They created a designated bad guy (Satan) who was the force for evil, such as making a person cheat or steal. Ironically, their all-loving good guy was the one slaughtering in scale, rather than one-temptation-at-a-time. It was the supposed good guy bringing floods and quakes and childhood cancer. The bad guy just made someone cheat on his spouse or steal a pack of gum from a 7-11. Hardly the epitome of evil. Now the guy sending huge waves to Phuket is one sonofabitch.

 

Yes, nobody can prove your skydaddy doesn’t exist (can’t prove a negative), but similarly nobody can prove, for example, Quetzalcoatl isn’t the top deity and human sacrifice isn’t the true path to salvation. What if your guess is wrong?

 

If I ever put money down on Pascal's Wager, I'm going for Zeus. Makes the most sense among deities, though "sense" is a relative term.

 

Two hundred billion plus galaxies, 500 billion to a trillion stars in most of them, but in one run of the mill galaxy around one small star is a planet with sentient creatures whom some "creator" of all that stuff insists on where and under what circumstances they can slip their junk, or that females must dress like giant eggplants. Morality arose from civilization, not because of a charlatan's list of rules. All deities could do was to add silly things like don't eat pork or only engage in sex if you intend to procreate.

 

And what were these deities up to from the beginning of time until 13.77 billion years ago? Playing Sudoku? Getting bored? Needed amoeba to tell them how great they are or say thanks for the cheeseburger? Weak. Deities should have more class.

1 hour ago, jvs said:

That is not the norm in Thailand at all!

 

What isn’t? 
If it was a registered marriage and the father in the birth certificate then he has to pay under thai law.

 

No marriage registration, no name on birth certificate = no obligation to pay.

 

It is why parents of boys will often instruct their boys who got the village bike pregnant to get rid of her. 

41 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

What isn’t? 
If it was a registered marriage and the father in the birth certificate then he has to pay under thai law.

 

No marriage registration, no name on birth certificate = no obligation to pay.

 

It is why parents of boys will often instruct their boys who got the village bike pregnant to get rid of her. 

Again not the norm in Thailand,houses and assets are usually divided but child support is not negotiated.

I am sure it does happen when the people involved have some money but in a lot of cases the man simply walks away.

I have seen this happen many times.

Body count before you married her is not really relevant. She isn't going to tell you the truth anyway. Double whatever she tells you.

Body count after you marry her is definitely relevant.

Just now, har0165 said:

Body count before you married her is not really relevant. She isn't going to tell you the truth anyway. Double whatever she tells you.

Body count after you marry her is definitely relevant.

 

Before guessing look for evidence, like a prolapsed rectum.

 

1 hour ago, bendejo said:

Before guessing look for evidence, like a prolapsed rectum.

 

This condition is like a conjuror's trick - now you see it, now you don't. 

14 hours ago, Wingate said:

If I ever put money down on Pascal's Wager

 

Just as long as you don't put money down on Pascal's Wanger 

21 hours ago, har0165 said:

Body count before you married her is not really relevant. She isn't going to tell you the truth anyway.

 

A lot of normal office girls are turning tricks part-time in their early 20s to make extra money. Simply because salaries are not that high. 

 

And if you catch her in her late 20s, even if she has a normal office job, you will never know if she was one of those girls.

 

And ... does it really matter that much? Unless she's a hard-core prostitute, probably not. 

 

On 7/15/2025 at 1:57 PM, Wingate said:

I wonder why folks prone to superstition chose an “all-loving” skydaddy, such as the one in the Christian superstition.

 

Earthquakes, tsunamis, childhood cancer, etc. do not exactly suggest “all-loving” to rational people, nor do rational people accept such silly explanations as “Master Plan” or “works in mysterious ways”.

 

If the ancients had anything going for them, it is that they manufactured deities more attune to what happened in their lives. Their skydaddies were kind of nasty vindictive sadists. Some even demanded human sacrifice. From Greek and Roman gods to the deities of Mayans and Aztecs, all of their gods did things that said more about “control”, even sadism, than “love”.

 

The ancients seemed to know that if there was a creator or creators, such beings kind of reveled in doing harm to their little creatures. It’s almost understandable how humans, who saw natural disasters in a world supposedly under the control of an omnipotent being, thought causing pain and sacrificing their fellows might appease an entity that seemed to enjoy pain and suffering of others so much.

 

Later religions developed some bizarre notions. They created a designated bad guy (Satan) who was the force for evil, such as making a person cheat or steal. Ironically, their all-loving good guy was the one slaughtering in scale, rather than one-temptation-at-a-time. It was the supposed good guy bringing floods and quakes and childhood cancer. The bad guy just made someone cheat on his spouse or steal a pack of gum from a 7-11. Hardly the epitome of evil. Now the guy sending huge waves to Phuket is one sonofabitch.

 

Yes, nobody can prove your skydaddy doesn’t exist (can’t prove a negative), but similarly nobody can prove, for example, Quetzalcoatl isn’t the top deity and human sacrifice isn’t the true path to salvation. What if your guess is wrong?

 

If I ever put money down on Pascal's Wager, I'm going for Zeus. Makes the most sense among deities, though "sense" is a relative term.

 

Two hundred billion plus galaxies, 500 billion to a trillion stars in most of them, but in one run of the mill galaxy around one small star is a planet with sentient creatures whom some "creator" of all that stuff insists on where and under what circumstances they can slip their junk, or that females must dress like giant eggplants. Morality arose from civilization, not because of a charlatan's list of rules. All deities could do was to add silly things like don't eat pork or only engage in sex if you intend to procreate.

 

And what were these deities up to from the beginning of time until 13.77 billion years ago? Playing Sudoku? Getting bored? Needed amoeba to tell them how great they are or say thanks for the cheeseburger? Weak. Deities should have more class.

You do realize that everyone dies right? Some in one day and some in 120 years, but we all die. This short life compared to forever, doesn't compare. Simple as that. Heaven is supposed to be no pain, heartache, sorrow, anger or fear. Quite different than this crappy life test wouldn't you say? God didn't give a woman the most nerve endings in her body in the clitoris for procreation. Seems he knew all about pleasure.

 

He has rules, his commandments, most of which make perfect sense, to protect us from evil and stupid decisions. People are the reason most things go wrong here. Yes, again, there are a lot of bad things here, but again, we're not here forever.

 

You can believe all this in the universe, with a trillion different species, planets, weather systems, a human brain and how it works, how the sun is exactly the right distance away to support life here, and what we need to survive, all happened from a big bang, all by itself. We believe God made everything. When we die, we'll all talk to God. 

On 7/15/2025 at 11:19 AM, MalcolmB said:

To be frank Fred, the women you had were promiscuous.

we have already established that.

To be frank Malcy, you make more assumptions than anyone I've ever come across in 68 years, even those of teenagers pale by comparison. And who is we? Remember, you have only 3 friends here on this forum, all unstable and prone to assumptions also. I've only said a couple of women I've been with were promiscuous. 3 out of 100 isn't quite all.