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It will be interesting to see if Thailand honors the terms. It's not always simply a tarrif issue. There are many barriers to markets ... indirect barriers must come down and goods must flow in - this was clearly stated to all nations.

 

Thailand, Germany, Korea, Japan ....

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13 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Eventually it's down to consumers. If people avoid buying US manufactured stuff, then it doesn't matter if they have or don't have market access, or whether import duties are 0 or 1000%... 

 

If you haven't noticed, they love foreign goods here.

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5 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So, what you're saying is that Thailand's 200%+ tax and tariffs on US autos has no effect on whether Thais would buy a Ford F250 instead of a more expensive locally made toy truck?

 

Not quite as generic but yes.

If I hated Ford, would never ever want to own one because in my mind it's considered a pile of [insert dirty word here], then even if it was cheaper than competitors, I still would not want to buy it.

On the flip side, if I really loved that thing, but it was double the price of a competitor, for example, but I really really wanted it, I'd still buy it anyway.

 

You have this example with luxury goods in Thailand. People still buy Rolexes etc. despite being considerably more expensive than other brands, and considerably more expensive than in other countries. In fact you can buy a new one in Hong Kong (or US) cheaper than a second hand one in Thailand. But did that stop people from buying them? It didn't. Some just found a way to smuggle them in, others coughed up whatever it cost locally. But when they wanted to have it, they made it happen.

On the other side, you could see someone trying to give something away for free and it's still not accepted as it is undesired.

 

But of course, there will be people on tight budgets who only look at the price, have no brand loyalty, don't care about quality or where it came from... Obviously those would be only swayed by price and take all the freebies they can get. But how many of those would go for a US manufactured product vs. whatever is the cheapest on the market, probably something Chinese?

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3 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

If you haven't noticed, they love foreign goods here.

True. I also see that US products are now on buy 1 get 1 free more often than same or similar products from Australia or New Zealand, which sell out quicker. With prices basically same, there could be something other than price affecting decisions.

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5 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Not quite as generic but yes.

If I hated Ford, would never ever want to own one because in my mind it's considered a pile of [insert dirty word here], then even if it was cheaper than competitors, I still would not want to buy it.

On the flip side, if I really loved that thing, but it was double the price of a competitor, for example, but I really really wanted it, I'd still buy it anyway.

 

You have this example with luxury goods in Thailand. People still buy Rolexes etc. despite being considerably more expensive than other brands, and considerably more expensive than in other countries. In fact you can buy a new one in Hong Kong (or US) cheaper than a second hand one in Thailand. But did that stop people from buying them? It didn't. Some just found a way to smuggle them in, others coughed up whatever it cost locally. But when they wanted to have it, they made it happen.

On the other side, you could see someone trying to give something away for free and it's still not accepted as it is undesired.

 

But of course, there will be people on tight budgets who only look at the price, have no brand loyalty, don't care about quality or where it came from... Obviously those would be only swayed by price and take all the freebies they can get. But how many of those would go for a US manufactured product vs. whatever is the cheapest on the market, probably something Chinese?

 

I've missed the point entirely.

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Just now, tomazbodner said:

True. I also see that US products are now on buy 1 get 1 free more often than same or similar products from Australia or New Zealand, which sell out quicker. With prices basically same, there could be something other than price affecting decisions.

 

I'm quite disappointed by Aussie and especially kiwi beef tbh.

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9 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

If you haven't noticed, they love foreign goods here.

 

Thailand doesn't really manufacturer much of anything of any substance. No value added, no innovation, no international brand outside of elephant pants.

 

It's just an assembly plant for Chinas junk, some random cheap electronics.

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Just now, Hamus Yaigh said:

Presumably you are an American as this a biased one sided US-centric view as projected by the current administration. Did you consider that?

Thailand, like many developing nations, has a different economic structure and consumer base. High-cost U.S. products, such as cars or luxury goods, may not align with local demand or purchasing power, even with lower tariffs. Forcing market access ignores these realities. Thailand has the right to protect its domestic industries (e.g., automotive manufacturing) and balance trade agreements with local economic needs. Indirect barriers, like safety standards or subsidies, often serve legitimate purposes—protecting consumers, fostering local growth, or ensuring cultural fit. Dismantling them to favor U.S. goods could destabilize Thailand’s economy without clear benefits. 

 

Thailand agreed to lower tariffs on some U.S. goods to avoid a 36% U.S. tariff on its exports, but this doesn’t mandate flooding its market with U.S. products. Both sides negotiate to balance access and protection.

 

Expecting all nations to prioritize U.S. goods overlooks diverse economic needs and the principle of equitable trade. Thailand’s compliance with the agreement will likely focus on agreed terms—possibly selective tariff cuts on U.S. auto parts or other goods—while maintaining barriers that safeguard its economy.

 

Thailand is not a developing country. It's arguably been in decline for decades. It's a kleptocracy that guards it's markets (as the vast majority of nations). A tired, relic of the 20c...

 

Export driven economies are getting wake up call.

 

The US owes nothing to export driven, product dumping countries.

 

Protect away lol. See where that goes. 🤷‍♂️👍

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42 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So, what you're saying is that Thailand's 200%+ tax and tariffs on US autos has no effect on whether Thais would buy a Ford F250 instead of a more expensive locally made toy truck?

 

 

Thai drivers don't need any F-250's, Silverado's or ANY of those overrated hay wagons, but they will probably like the Tundra's.

 

Me? I would take a Dodge Ram 3500 Cummins Turbo Diesel crew cab dually in a heartbeat.

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16 minutes ago, KhaoHom said:

Thailand is not a developing country. It's arguably been in decline for decades. It's a kleptocracy that guards it's markets (as the vast majority of nations). A tired, relic of the 20c...

 

Export driven economies are getting wake up call.

 

The US owes nothing to export driven, product dumping countries.

 

Protect away lol. See where that goes.

The U.S.-Thailand trade agreement, finalized August 1, 2025, aims for mutual benefit, not one-sided market access as you think.

Thailand’s economy, while facing challenges, remains classified as an upper-middle-income country by the World Bank, with a strong export sector (e.g., automotive, electronics). Its market protections, like the 300% effective tariff on U.S. cars, reflect strategic priorities shared by many nations, balancing domestic growth with trade obligations. The agreement likely includes selective tariff reductions to avoid U.S. tariffs on Thai exports, fostering reciprocity rather than unilateral concessions.

Global trade dynamics are shifting, but export-driven economies like Thailand adapt through negotiated agreements, not by dismantling protections entirely. Its not as simple as the US administration makes out but appeals to its voters.

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1 hour ago, tomazbodner said:

Eventually it's down to consumers. If people avoid buying US manufactured stuff, then it doesn't matter if they have or don't have market access, or whether import duties are 0 or 1000%... 

 

Right. Except there's plenty to buy. Agriculture, raw materials, energy.

 

Don't buy anything? Fine, you're locked out of US market

 

It's funny you post up this nonsense at the same time that every country on the planet is scrambling to sort out their tariff and trade issues with the United States.

 

I can't think of anything that US needs from one particular county outside of rare earth minerals - can you?

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13 minutes ago, KhaoHom said:

 

Right. Except there's plenty to buy. Agriculture, raw materials, energy.

 

Don't buy anything? Fine, you're locked out of US market

 

It's funny you post up this nonsense at the same time that every country on the planet is scrambling to sort out their tariff and trade issues with the United States.

 

I can't think of anything that US needs from one particular county outside of rare earth minerals - can you?

Let's stop all the ships headed to US and find out? I bet it'll look like this: 

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1 hour ago, ChrisY1 said:

I thought I read maybe 3 weeks ago that Thailand would drop all imports fees on US goods?

Obviously that didn't happen..in fact I've noticed that import fees on Amazon goods imported  to Thailand, have gone through the roof!

 

Perhaps the product wasn't actually made in USA?

 

Last I'd read Thailand agreed to open market to all US goods although I'm uncertain whether that includes autos.

 

It was stated that even doing this won't come close to resolving trade imbalance even with Thai goods, but the real issue is repackaging goods from China. That amounts to 24B USD sent to US alone

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