On 8/13/2025 at 10:21 AM, Lacessit said:

Trump promised to make the Epstein files public. That's something he hasn't got done,

 Lacessit---who sat on them for 4 years ?....

Do you not think if Trump was prominent in them,  that it would have been dragged out and highlighted, especially at election time , when the Dems knew they needed help.

 

What could be the reason they weren't. ?

 

If your looking for kiddie scandal there's a new book out this week---its written by Ashley Biden

9 minutes ago, oxo1947 said:

 Lacessit---who sat on them for 4 years ?....

Do you not think if Trump was prominent in them,  that it would have been dragged out and highlighted, especially at election time , when the Dems knew they needed help.

 

What could be the reason they weren't. ?

 

If your looking for kiddie scandal there's a new book out this week---its written by Ashley Biden

I would have thought the reason was there were dirty deeds on both sides.

 

 

The nearest the US has to mainstream media at the moment is South park.

36 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I would have thought the reason was there were dirty deeds on both sides.

 

We are in agreement on that Lacessit------

On 8/12/2025 at 5:32 PM, Lacessit said:

The news reflects the judgment of the owners, in what news will sell. Which MSM outlets are becoming bankrupt?

 

OTOH, Merit Street Media ( right wing conservative ) has filed for bankruptcy. Both Truth Social and X are in financial difficulty.

 

People in the west should be careful what they wish for. Without cheap immigrant labor, the food on the supermarket shelves is going to be more expensive.

 

 

Not just more expensive, but some items will disappear completely. To be clear,  I'm in favor of LEGAL migrant workers.

22 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

I'm not even anti-Trump and even I got scared as Rachel Maddow was describing the utter evil that is Donald Trump. It was like watching Goebbels, if Goebbels were a lesbian going down on 67 year olds.

You're obsessed with this fantasy. It is not normal. Seriously.

7 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

You're obsessed with this fantasy. It is not normal. Seriously.

 

Sadly not fantasy, Rachel Maddow is married to a 67 year old woman.

 

 

24 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Sadly not fantasy, Rachel Maddow is married to a 67 year old woman.

 

 

My wife says one or both of them  has good magic

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

Not just more expensive, but some items will disappear completely. To be clear,  I'm in favor of LEGAL migrant workers.

The reality is the LEGAL workers are working for wages prescribed by the Department of Labor. Illegal workers are not, it's what the employer decrees.

 

The deportation process does not discriminate between people who just want to work, and criminals. As far as ICE is concerned, everybody goes.

2 hours ago, oxo1947 said:

 Lacessit---who sat on them for 4 years ?....

Do you not think if Trump was prominent in them,  that it would have been dragged out and highlighted, especially at election time , when the Dems knew they needed help.

 

What could be the reason they weren't. ?

 

If your looking for kiddie scandal there's a new book out this week---its written by Ashley Biden

 

We don't know what's in the files. However, Trump doesn't want to release them. There must be something in it he doesn't want to be seen, even if it's not incriminating.

5 minutes ago, candide said:

 

We don't know what's in the files. However, Trump doesn't want to release them. There must be something in it he doesn't want to be seen, even if it's not incriminating.

Even if the files were released they would be filled with redactions.

40 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The reality is the LEGAL workers are working for wages prescribed by the Department of Labor. Illegal workers are not, it's what the employer decrees.

 

The deportation process does not discriminate between people who just want to work, and criminals. As far as ICE is concerned, everybody goes.

 Blimey, turns out the new labor statistics chief,  EJ Antoni, Trump’s pick,  was at Capitol on January 6, though the White House says Antoni was ‘bystander … in town for meetings’.  lol

 

And look here!    

Kari Lake plans to replace non-partisan Voice of America news with far-right Newsmax and One America News

EJ Antoni, Trump’s pick for labor statistics chief, was at Capitol on January 6 – US politics live

 

 

1 minute ago, Hawaiian said:

Even if the files were released they would be filled with redactions.

Which may comfort criticism rather than calm it down! In any case they are screwed! 

 

It's so funny to watch Trump getting a taste of his own medecine! 😆

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, candide said:

Trump doesn't want to release them.

 

 And the Dem's also didn't want them released  for the 4 years they had them......a minor detail candide,  So lets just concentrate on the few months that Trumps  been in--much more important then the other side sitting on them for 4 years.

35 minutes ago, oxo1947 said:

 

 And the Dem's also didn't want them released  for the 4 years they had them......a minor detail candide,  So lets just concentrate on the few months that Trumps  been in--much more important then the other side sitting on them for 4 years.

They had not been claiming for years that they would release the Epstein client list, before being elected. Their position was coherent. It was a popular MAGA conspiracy theory to smear the Dems, and they treated this matter as such. 

 

Ater the WH change of tune, they are now smelling blood and are giving Trump a taste of his own medecine. That's standard political game. In any case, either there is no client list and MAGA leaders were lying before, or there is a client list and they are lying now. 😆

 

I would not bet there is incriminating evidence in the files, but Trump obviously doesn't want them to be released. Even if not incriminating, what is shown in the files is probably not congruent with the image he wants to show.

 

 

5 minutes ago, candide said:

They did not claim for years that they would release the Epstein client list

 

OK candide--- so the question still remains .... Why didn't they??? 

 

They released a lot of stuff over the years that turned out to be complete fiction, so If we could just get one Trump hatter to explain that point.---- Why sit 4 years on the files if Trump is in them----

 

1/ The Dems are just to ethical to do that    or---2/ There was nothing in there to incriminate him .

 

You pick for me candide........

31 minutes ago, oxo1947 said:

 

OK candide--- so the question still remains .... Why didn't they??? 

 

They released a lot of stuff over the years that turned out to be complete fiction, so If we could just get one Trump hatter to explain that point.---- Why sit 4 years on the files if Trump is in them----

 

1/ The Dems are just to ethical to do that    or---2/ There was nothing in there to incriminate him .

 

You pick for me candide........

I already replied but, of course, you are truncating my post again, and are trying to put words in my mouth. 

 

My reply was:

"They had not been claiming for years that they would release the Epstein client list, before being elected. Their position was coherent. It was a popular MAGA conspiracy theory to smear the Dems, and they treated this matter as such. 

 

Ater the WH change of tune, they are now smelling blood and are giving Trump a taste of his own medecine. That's standard political game. In any case, either there is no client list and MAGA leaders were lying before, or there is a client list and they are lying now. 😆

 

I would not bet there is incriminating evidence in the files, but Trump obviously doesn't want them to be released. Even if not incriminating, what is shown in the files is probably not congruent with the image he wants to show."

 

On 8/13/2025 at 8:50 AM, angryguy said:

becomes apparent to more people as trump keeps on getting things done

Presumably you have heard of the phrase often attributed to Abraham Lincoln, that states, "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time". The meaning is that while deception is possible for a portion of the population or at certain moments, universal and perpetual deception is impossible. No one can seriously believe that an autocratic leader who has surrounded himself with a bunch of spineless arse kissers that worship his every word will last. So far its working for him, but when the house of cards falls it will crash very fast. The mid terms are coming as a reminder.

5 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time".

 

Yah, that's pretty much the problem the mainstream media have now. They have lied so much about Trump, nobody believes them anymore now.

29 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yah, that's pretty much the problem the mainstream media have now. They have lied so much about Trump, nobody believes them anymore now.

The ones who believe are  the low information masses who only read what the papers & news feeds of the msm are saying ,which  basically is Trump is a  Fascist ,Authoritarian, dictator,as he and his administration try's desperately to steer away from farleftism, Socialist, Communists,  Woke Cultural Marxist  agendas. Common sense & Traditional  society have been cloaked over by the Obama/Biden years.

MSN is basically giving up any pretence of being objective, it's purely a Trump hate channel now.

 

How did this happen? When did the media give up the ambition to be objective? It's purely partisan extremism now.

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

The ones who believe are  the low information masses who only read what the papers & news feeds of the msm are saying ,which  basically is Trump is a  Fascist ,Authoritarian, dictator,as he and his administration try's desperately to steer away from farleftism, Socialist, Communists,  Woke Cultural Marxist  agendas. Common sense & Traditional  society have been cloaked over by the Obama/Biden years.

Trump IS a wannabe dictator, but hasn't got the savvy........🤕

53 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yah, that's pretty much the problem the mainstream media have now. They have lied so much about Trump, nobody believes them anymore now.

Trump has the same problem.  He lies so much only gullible  fools believe him.

1 minute ago, Hawaiian said:

Trump has the same problem.  He lies so much only gullible  fools believe him.

 

But we know political leaders do that, we don't want our media to do that.

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

MSN is basically giving up any pretence of being objective, it's purely a Trump hate channel now.

 

How did this happen? When did the media give up the ambition to be objective? It's purely partisan extremism now.

How the MSM shows its  slide is by what the bias employee's  are/was doing .past and present.

 

Example" Either left,reassigned, went and gone. Good riddance. 

Lester Holt,Joy Reid,Jim Acosta,Norah O’Donnell,Hoda Kotb (NBC),Alisyn Camerota(cnn),

chuck Todd,Jorge Ramos (Univision),Chris Wallace (CNN),Terry Moran (ABC),Bill Owens (CBS),

Jennifer Rubin (Washington Post),David E. Hoffman (Washington Post),Ruth Marcus (Washington Post),Karen Attiah (National Association of Black Journalists),Jeff Glor (CBS News).

Many Many more

20 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Trump has the same problem.  He lies so much only gullible  fools believe him.

Wow  ! you changed ! Trump the liar with the most pinocchios

  is better than the alternative, Socialist /Cultural Marxist Woke leaderless choice.

I don't care, how he got rich or who he

effs 40 years ago..as long as he keeps the Republic free from the alternative.

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

I don't care, how he got rich or who he effs 40 years ago

 

 

...and there you have it.......

On 8/13/2025 at 8:50 AM, angryguy said:

The leftist bias apparent in 90% of articles becomes apparent to more people as trump keeps on getting things done that previous administrations wouldnt be able to even with the media on their side. The truth is clear to many and it cannot be found without a distrust of “facts” and “figures” that were fabricated to make trump look bad. He still has a long time to go in office. I dont think these media outlets in their current form can sustain themselves much longer as there wont be anyone left to fool

 MSM,But like the boy who cried wolf, no one is listening anymore.

 

If fact it's more the entire European Union that is slowly digging it's grave. And it's not my saying. A majority of the regular "Joe Soap's" in western europe think so and they are right. 

54 minutes ago, riclag said:

Trump is a  Fascist ,Authoritarian, dictator,as he and his administration try's desperately to steer away from farleftism, Socialist, Communists, 

There is little to choose from between the current authoritarian US government and socialist dictator. Each systems involves a dictator surrounding themselves with sycophantic support with one person deciding everything. There is no more democracy, the Republicans have given up on the idea of free markets and free speech to submit their spineless souls to the MAGA movement. These sort of regimes where only certain hand picked views are acceptable and hand picked countries are allowed to trade always end in tears.