1 minute ago, Schoggibueb said:

After that Russia would be dematerialized. Immediatly. GB and France also have "big red buttons". USA can then join or not, doesen't matter.

 

This is a silly thing to say, because if GB or France were to attack Russia with nuclear weapons both countries would cease to exist.

 

And Russia has not deployed a nuclear device until now because it is clearly winning on the battlefied, so no need.

4 hours ago, bannork said:

If Ukraine agreed to Vladimir Putin’s demands, handing over a vast chunk of the Donetsk Oblast province - where Moscow currently controls about 70 per cent – it would hand the Russian president some of Ukraine’s finest redoubts and most doughty defenders.

 

It would include thousands of miles of pre-prepared trenches, tank traps that snake across the rolling landscape and pre-prepared ambush positions – a modern Maginot Line.

 

Britain’s ministry of defence has estimated it would take Russia “4.4 years” and nearly 2 million casualties to take the four provinces Putin wants to claim.

This map shows the extent of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, including Donetsk which Putin wants to take in any deal (PA)

 

 

More details here

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/million-more-dead-numbers-show-111315043.html

2 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

Nobody in Europe cares anymore about this over and over repeated "menace". 

Then why do you hide behind our skirts

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Nobody in Europe cares anymore about this over and over repeated "menace". 

 

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Then why do you hide behind our skirts

Sorry, only a distracting comment and has nthing to do with my post.

 

Next.

7 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

 

Sorry, only a distracting comment and has nthing to do with my post.

 

Next.

Sure it does. You guys have been using the Russians as an excuse to suck off us for years.

 

In terms of 21st century economy and geopolitics, Russia is far more useful to us than the lot of you

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Sure it does. You guys have been using the Russians as an excuse to suck off us for years.

 

In terms of 21st century economy and geopolitics, Russia is far more useful to us than the lot of you

Fine with me. If you and Donnie think Russia is a better choice, go for it.

 

But as usual you just change the subject instead of trying to follow the discussion.

 

Don't you get any briefings and updates how to handle such situations? You should talk with a superior authority. You're colleagues in Europe do much better than that.

48 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

If you and Donnie think Russia is a better choice, go for it.

 

Well it is. Far as I am concerned we have as much business in Putins backyard as he does in ours, ie none.

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

So you acknowledge that there are no elections. Got it. Just like Russia.

 

Whom your deity Donald jhon trump takes election advice from ie his latest distraction/attack on mail in voting…..directly from putin then disgorged from trumps mouth…….just beggers belief some support the felon.

Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany, Oleksiy Makeev, warned against making territorial concessions to Russia, emphasizing that millions of Ukrainians live in the lands Russia seeks to seize, the German news portal tagesschau.de. reports.

 

He also highlighted the unity of Western allies demonstrated during the Washington summit, noting that the democratic world continues to stand shoulder to shoulder with Ukraine.

 

During his visit to Washington, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy discussed potential scenarios for a peace settlement with Trump. The Ukrainian leader did not rule out that territorial exchanges could appear on the agenda, but stressed that implementing such agreements would be extremely difficult.

 

Not computer game: Ambassador explains why Ukraine can’t give up occupied lands

10 minutes ago, Tug said:

Whom your deity Donald jhon trump takes election advice from ie his latest distraction/attack on mail in voting…..directly from putin then disgorged from trumps mouth…….just beggers belief some support the felon.

You hate America and celebrate death. You want mail in voting to provide you with the ability to cheat, like opening the border to influence the census.

 

 

2 hours ago, AndreasHG said:

stand with Ukraine and support the Ukrainian people's right to free themselves from the slavery imposed on them first by the Mongols, then by the tsars, the communists, and now by Putin.

You forgot the Hapsburgs. Your historical ignorance is again illustrated regardless.

11 hours ago, theblether said:

I thought the coverage of the summit was disgraceful. Far too many talking heads often talking utter fantastical nonsense. 

 

I share some of the distaste of how brown-nosey some of the comments were in front of Trump. 

 

On the other hand the format did give the leaders a chance to say - ceasefire now, a policy that Trump bodyswerved - so he didn't get it all his own way. 

 

However - I'm stunned at one genius turn by Trump which if it comes off will make all the haters look stupid. 

 

The proposed Zelensky and Putin face-to-face summit. If Trump arranges that it will destroy the entire "Putin won in Alaska" narrative. 

 

It puts the entire imbroglio exactly where it should be - between the Russian and Ukranian delegation. 

 

If it falls to pieces at the summit so be it. Just getting these two into the same room is a diplomatic miracle. 

 

We'll see. 

It would help a lot if you told us exactly WHERE the coverage that you objected to was from. Otherwise, your comment is meaningless.

 

Putin obviously has no desire to meet with Zelensky. I would agree if Trump helps make that happen against Putin's obvious desires, that it would be a win for Trump.

 

Of course meeting doesn't mean the end to the war but it's needed for there to be a  chance.

 

In reality, there still should be a cease fire, and lower level people should negotiate the framework of a final deal BEFORE a Zelinsky Putin meeting. That's normally how it works. Trump is obsessed with his theories of personalities though. Well how will that work? Putin obviously hates Zelinsky and Zelinsky obviously hates Putin for incredibly good reasons. They can't ever like each other personally. Trump thinks foreign relations is all about that, and that's just moronic.

 

I continue to believe that Putin has no interest in peace unless it involves surrender from Ukraine and that Putin is continuing to jerk Trump around to create more time for him to win the war militarily including massive terrorism against civilians which Putin thinks is happening but in reality it's a mixed bag.

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Whom your deity Donald jhon trump takes election advice from ie his latest distraction/attack on mail in voting…..directly from putin then disgorged from trumps mouth…….just beggers belief some support the felon.

Nice inarticulate screech of rage.

12 hours ago, theblether said:

I share some of the distaste of how brown-nosey some of the comments were in front of Trump. 

You mean acknowledging who is Boss

Trump making accomplishments that Biden could only dream about.

Seems people discuss Russia vs Ukraine/ Europe/NATO  as some sort of potential allies, but forget the Russia/China pact. China will bide their time, encourage and support Russia and when they judge the time is right.....hello Taiwan.

Brilliant analysis.

 

"Trump is an organic development of Putinism in the west. So there is something bizarre about the west trying to ally with Trump against Putin."

 

 

4 hours ago, AndreasHG said:

I would also add that no political opponents have died in Ukrainian prisons. And the only Ukrainian politicians poisoned (one with cyanide and the other with dioxin) were poisoned by Russians: Stepan Andriyovich Bandera (1959) and Viktor Yushchenko (2004).

 

BS.  And American citizen and blogger (journalist) Gonzalo Lira was tortured and killed in a Ukrainian prison.  The people in your government that were responsible for this will face justice, the hard way or the easy way.  Believe me on this one.

 

But I appreciate the tone and sentiments expressed in your first message although I don't agree with everything you said.  This war needs to end and no one wants this more than the Ukrainian people, and the soldiers on both sides dying everyday.  There is blood on the hands of every one involved in getting us to where we are today, including the cheer leaders..

 

3 minutes ago, Miloki said:

BS.  And American citizen and blogger (journalist) Gonzalo Lira was tortured and killed in a Ukrainian prison.  The people in your government that were responsible for this will face justice, the hard way or the easy way.  Believe me on this one.

 

But I appreciate the tone and sentiments expressed in your first message although I don't agree with everything you said.  This war needs to end and no one wants this more than the Ukrainian people, and the soldiers on both sides dying everyday.  There is blood on the hands of every one involved in getting us to where we are today, including the cheer leaders..

 

Lira sex criminal and spy for Russia. 

9 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Except Russia could never lose this war of course. It's simply impossible.

 

Leaving aside that the Ukraine's economy is even smaller than Russia's, that it has even less manpower than Russia, if, unlike the actual situation now, Ukraine were to ever start winning conventional warfare the Russians would simply deploy a tactical nuclear weapon on Ukraine, which is not a  NATO member.

 

So no matter what happens, Russia is guaranteed to win this war. Which is why the limited demand for Donbass was so reaosnable. No doubt on account of the great affection Putin has for Trump.

Now apply the same logic to Russia invading Baltic states, then Poland… Actually, the spirit of Ukrainians is much stronger than that of Poles and Balts combined.So betray those Ukrainian heroes now. Betray them instead of supporting them with all that you only have. And then - expect nothing good for yourself, your children and their children too. You, insects, will get what you truly deserve! 

4 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

Now apply the same logic to Russia invading Baltic states, then Poland… Actually, the spirit of Ukrainians is much stronger than that of Poles and Balts. So betray those Ukrainian heroes now. Betray them instead of supporting them with all that you only have. And then - expect nothing good for yourself, your children and their children too. You, insects, will get what you truly deserve! 

No one has betrayed the Ukrainian people but those who divided their country and pushed them into this war.   They have had enough and deserve peace.

1 minute ago, Miloki said:

No one has betrayed the Ukrainian people but those who divided their country and pushed them into this war.   They have had enough and deserve peace.

The West has betrayed the Ukrainian people and its brave soldiers. The West has betrayed its own values by betraying Ukraine. But I still believe in Ukrainians and i still believe in the West. Times are hard. Must be better times ahead. 

 

8 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

The West has betrayed the Ukrainian people and its brave soldiers. The West has betrayed its own values by betraying Ukraine. But I still believe in Ukrainians and i still believe in the West. Times are hard. Must be better times ahead. 

 

Let's hope so.

9 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Spoken like a true mafia boss thug, not a Russian are you by chance?

 

Indeed; there is a misunderstanding of Article 5, which actually doesn't compel members into an armed response, but merely to consider the event at hand. Article 5 argues about an armed attack. 911  showed that was open to interpretation; a Boeing airliner is not a weapons system, but it was used as a weapon. If fallout fell onto a NATO member's territory, those governments, could argue that they have been harmed, or attacked. Ultimately, Article 5 requires a political decision. Article 4 initiates urgent discussions if a member is threatened.

 

The NATO leadership has already that there would be "severe consequences" if Moscow attacked Ukraine with a nuclear weapon. The US NSA has warned of "catastrophic consequences". Members of Congress have already stated that such an attack would be considered by them as an attack, and trigger  collective defense consequences.

 

Idiots who don't understand the NATO treaty think its some sort of automatic mechanism that if Moscow is clever, can avoid activating. Decisions are taken politically, and that is a deliberate feature of the Treaty, to strengthen deterrance, to blur what response might happen.

 

A limited nuclear strike would be very harmful to Russia. It reveals their hand, reveals where certain assets are, how those assets were deployed. NATO might well respond, but quite possibly in a massively conventional way, reducing Russia's options for a response. In WW2, both sides thought chemical weapons would be extensively deployed. But they never were; even as the enemy were at the gates, Germany did not deploy its sarin and tabun stockpiles (and it turned out only Germany at the time had weaponised these nerve agents). Possibly Germany was afraid of retaliation in kind, because it wasn't sure what the allies had, but possibly "super weapons", even mythical one, was also a source of power. Remove the Emperor's Clothes; would Hitler have ended up swinging from a lamp post. At what point did the Italian opposition believe that Mussolini had lost his power?

 

Russia keeps talking about its Poseidon system; autonomous nuclear powered nuclear torpedoes, probably about 2MT. Russia has plans for about 30 of these. Probably 6 so far, with no known sea trials. These are launched by "mother ship" submarines, and can remain at sea indefinitely, in theory. Deploying these is not something you do as some sort of retaliation; these are fast for underwater vehicles, at 70 knots or so, but much slower than a missile. The longer these things remain at sea, the more likely there is a technical failure, resulting in  Blue on Blue, or mistaking Shanghai for LA. Russia's options to retaliate against a NATO conventional attack are more limited, ICBM only, which they know will invite a massive strategic response, and its not even a surprise attack anymore, so might not be "successful". A Russian tactical strike is less likely because it results in a weakened Russia, not a strengthened. Resistance to it inside the Kremline will likely not be because of some moral indignation, because likely it would dismantle part of Russia's guarantee of survival (as a political entity). 

 

The men running Russia are all Slavs. The government is overwhelmingly Slavic, but the population is 30% non-slavic. Its a racist state, somewhat different to the USSR which did have a genuinely diverse political leadership (a Georgian lead it for much of its history). As such, its at risk from ethnic civil wars, eg Chechenya.

 

 

52 minutes ago, Miloki said:

No one has betrayed the Ukrainian people but those who divided their country and pushed them into this war.   They have had enough and deserve peace.

B.S. Russian propaganda....

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

You hate America and celebrate death. You want mail in voting to provide you with the ability to cheat, like opening the border to influence the census.

 

 

Still waiting for your explanation of how I hate my country humm now I’m celebrating death and you are quoting your idols putin and trump….figures.

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Nice inarticulate screech of rage.

Awww I’m disappointed I thought I’d at least rate a spittle screech lmao 🤣 

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

You mean acknowledging who is Boss

Naa they know how to baby a mentally ill malignant narcissist with dementia,I’m sure they sick inside at seeing what my country has become with trump.

1 minute ago, candide said:

B.S. Russian propaganda....

 

You love this dismissal of everything contrary to what your government and the media tells you. 

 

Newsflash:  Democratic governments lie, all the time.  They especially lie about war and leverage a complicit corporate media.  My government has lied us into every war and conflict we have been involved in my entire life.  The majority of Americans have finally woken up to that fact, which is why Trump won. 

 

Now you can run along pretending that this is a war between good and evil, and good is on your side.  Or you can wake up to the fact that you expect other people to die for your beliefs, and that is evil.

 

The facts are that a lot of bad people and bad actions led to this conflict.  In the US, in the UK, in the EU, in Russia, and most certainly in Ukraine.

2 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Trump making accomplishments that Biden could only dream about.

I like to think sleepy Joe never dreamt of US soldiers kneeling to lay a red carpet for a murderous dictator to walk on.

What a long way the US has fallen.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Lira sex criminal and spy for Russia. 

What fiction writer are you referring to this month?